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DarthPunk
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On December 11 2023 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Are you comfortable on his position that "Interesting position in that he suspects you.", Trfel? Why do you just leave it like that? He really walked back that vivax suspicion. | ||
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On December 11 2023 05:58 sandroba wrote: Something is off about the way he says "his first terrible post", seems needlessly antagonistic, a bit too assertive about maybe the contents of the post being terrible? Doesn't explain much about why such post was "terrible" or even if terrible means suspicious. The rest of his content just seems a bit of stirring the pot, but not in a way to actually talk about something suspicious, but instead to keep people nit-picking on each other in circles. Like I agree with the observations in this post, while I disagree with the conclusion. It makes me feel like he is reading the thread closely and thinking about what things mean, I think that is hard to fake as mafia. I also tend to think that with the pressure that Sandro has been under picking a fight with marv seems like a terrible play as mafia, so it feels genuine to me. | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: basically that's my concern above anything else do you think marv is mafia? I don't think marv is mafia. | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: it's not even like CAN marv be mafia, but like... marv is mafia here now in this game, one of the most mafia reads.. rly? I mean I understand that, but I also think I could see it from Sandro's perspective, I don't see how making this accusation actually does anything positive for Sandro's agenda if he is mafia. I also tend to think that townies will make really dumb reads a lot, but as long as I feel like I can understand the reasons for the read in some way, it's fine. With his marv read the observations are correct to me, I just think the conclusion is wrong because marv tends to be more of a jerk (in the nicest possible way) as town and more conciliatory as mafia. But I don't expect Sandro to have that information or arrive at that conclusion based on how long he has been away. | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean like, you ask Vivax if he has any thoughts on DP. I messed up the whole quote chain, but this still makes no sense tbh. Hard agree, particularly as I am just re-reading that part of the thread. | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:30 Trfel wrote: Two things. First is that after you unvoted me you seemed content to have no strong suspicion or push or thread presence, though I may be underestimating the impact of it being nighttime in Australia. Second thing is that some of your reasoning really doesn't line up. For example, what raynpelikoneet mentioned, your reason to townread sandroba being that he was suspicious of marvellosity. He didn't engage marvellosity or push for his lynch, he's wanting to lynch Vivax, it's easy to say "this person is mafia" and not back it up or push it at all. Do you expect me to post in the middle of the night? I was away from the thread for 6 hours, does that change your read at all if that is the first reason to find me suspicious? Where did I say that I town read Sandro for being suspicious of marvellosity? | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:36 Trfel wrote: Here @DarthPunk ??? Is that a town read? | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:35 Trfel wrote: I think at this point I'd be okay with lynching Koshi (if he is going to play like this), and potentially okay with lynching DarthPunk. Sandroba's recent set of posts were more interesting to me, I didn't necessarily agree with everything he was saying but it helps me to put together his mindset/approach. Holyflare's point that he's focusing on defending himself from presumed incorrect accusations instead of actually finding mafia or being productive is strong, now that he's actually shared suspicions I look forward to him coming back tomorrow. Vivax I could definitely see being mafia but I don't think I want to lynch him as much as Koshi or DarthPunk at this point. Wait wtF?!? I am your second biggest lynch candidate because: 1.) I stopped posting for 6 hours in the middle of the night and 2.) for saying pretty much exactly what you are saying about sandroba's recent posts??? That doesn't make any fucking sense. Are you for real right now? ##vote: Trfel | ||
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On December 11 2023 00:04 Koshi wrote: Took me 3 minutes to skim the thread. Not gonna lie. It took me 2 mins for first 4 pages to decide marv is mafia. Then 1 more to pretend the other 2 pages. I cant do more or I might say something smart and not get lynched. ##Vote marv Again (like last game) I'm ok to just lynch koshi if he is allowed to play like this. On December 11 2023 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Finally arrived home. Reading until here so i don't miss anything: This: Now at the time my position was sandroba doesn't look good (for reasons -- not exactly for his opener), Trfel looks nothing out of ordinary. However i am not the only player in the game, so i decided to see how Trfel deals with DP questioning him, without interfering at that point. I like this from rayn, it's smart. On December 11 2023 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk, i would think Palmar would hide under "no play during weekends" esp since most of the players should know that, rather than post basically anything other than "it's weekend bye!"  The stuff he said is also okay. It's not that i even think Vivax is mafia, probably opposite tbh, but his read on Palmar is based on wrong premises imo, if Palmar and sandroba would be both mafia, that would definitely not be something Palmar does in my opinion.Oh i also think DP and sandroba are not both mafia, now that i remember. And this. On December 11 2023 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Trfel is basically a synonym to wishy-wasy when he is town. He makes very good points and then keeps doubting himself on them over and over again which makes other people questioning him which makes himself questioning himself even more. I don't think there is basically anything "wrong" (or scummy) with his play here. I don't really see the doubt you are describing, or the very good points TBH. On December 11 2023 02:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because it's not like he is asking Trfel if Trfel thinks he could share better view on that Slam's smiley thing, he is basically telling Trfel to have an opinion on it because it's alignment indicative, but he doesn't have one his own. If you get what i am saying This is the best argument made all thread for Sandro being mafia. On December 11 2023 03:20 Trfel wrote: Looking at it a third time I guess it's less than I thought. Mostly here, where Vivax jumped ahead to get the top quote from marvellosity. Otherwise, his catch-up is in chronological order and reasonably focused (if slightly uninspired imo). This strikes me as odd though, it makes it feel like he's already caught up with the thread while the surrounding posts (here and here suggest that he's posting as he's catching up. Not a huge thing, honestly his lack of thread presence at this point is probably more indicative. The Vivax I remember is a very strong player, and he just hasn't seemed invested so far. Side note, I feel similarly about DarthPunk though (lack of thread presence), since he dropped his push on me he seems content to not do too much. Time zones are a thing... Does anyone else feel like this post from Trfel is deflecting though? Like he stated On December 11 2023 03:04 Trfel wrote: The other thing was that Vivax's posts didn't seem to have any order, he pulled quotes from seemingly random points in the thread. I can't follow the thought process that leads him to bring up the things he did, and especially not in that order. Which is a fairly strong reason to have a read. But when questioned about it it's really weak and then he starts soft pushing me about 'thread presence'. It's like his read doesn't really make sense to himself after he had to explain it. On December 11 2023 03:29 Trfel wrote: Possibly, but the posts before and after are well before marvellosity's post. It just shows that most likely he was reading some more current posts while also catching up. That doesn't necessarily mean he's mafia, just strikes me as odd and I'm not quite sure what to make of it. Now that I reread it, I think it's not that helpful, and the point about his lack of involvement is much more meaningful. I don't like that he is playing down what was a strong reason for an accusation when he has to explain where it comes from and cannot. On December 11 2023 04:32 Holyflare wrote: voting koshi is a good first step though, we should all be doing it I think this is right. On December 11 2023 04:49 Trfel wrote: To be honest I think you are nitpicking a bit. Even if we say you are right and Holyflare isn't, I'm not sure what that demonstrates. It means he messed up in reading the thread maybe, I don't think it makes him mafia. I think that the overall picture of Holyflare's play is much more important. Holyflare, thoughts on DarthPunk? I get that it's night in Australia but he still feels a bit off to me. On December 11 2023 04:35 Trfel wrote: Vivax, curious if you have any thoughts on DarthPunk? This recruitment drive is sus. On December 11 2023 05:56 Trfel wrote: I don't know, I am not that confident in anyone. My best guesses would be you, DarthPunk, Koshi, and sandroba (not in any particular order). @Holyflare, I have not made a reads list. The above people are the ones I'm most interested in currently though. @Chezinu, what happened to the house of brown? I can't figure out his read on me, or where it comes from. it seems to originate from my lack of thread presence after I pressured him at the start of the game, but then he also acknowledged that I was asleep, but doesn't really let it go at that point. There is weirdness about his interactions with vivax too. like making a strong statement about his post being in the wrong order and then not really being able to substantiate it in a way that was a strong as he represented initially. To me there is a disconnect between his accusations and the thinking that he takes to get there. The stuff at the start of the game (setup speculation) looks really bad as well. I held off posting this for a bit because I wanted to give Trfel the chance to make sense of his suspcions ITT first. But it doesn't sit right with me at all. I also think his posting is too 'clean' for lack of a better word, it is careful, structured, boring. It doesn't seem like he is having fun. Take that with as many grains of salt as you like. also: On December 11 2023 06:40 DarthPunk wrote: Wait wtF?!? I am your second biggest lynch candidate because: 1.) I stopped posting for 6 hours in the middle of the night and 2.) for saying pretty much exactly what you are saying about sandroba's recent posts??? That doesn't make any fucking sense. Are you for real right now? ##vote: Trfel This. | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:41 Trfel wrote: I never said I thought Holyflare was town (or mafia for that matter), I just agreed with that one point. Can I not agree with something that someone said without knowing their alignment?If it's not a townread then what is it?? What exists in the space where you feel someone is genuine in their posts but you aren't solid on their alignment yet? Maybe something like On December 11 2023 06:35 Trfel wrote: I didn't necessarily agree with everything he was saying but it helps me to put together his mindset/approach. H Or here where I explained exactly what I thought, while not calling him town at any time, just giving the benefit of the doubt. On December 11 2023 06:21 DarthPunk wrote: I mean I understand that, but I also think I could see it from Sandro's perspective, I don't see how making this accusation actually does anything positive for Sandro's agenda if he is mafia. I also tend to think that townies will make really dumb reads a lot, but as long as I feel like I can understand the reasons for the read in some way, it's fine. With his marv read the observations are correct to me, I just think the conclusion is wrong because marv tends to be more of a jerk (in the nicest possible way) as town and more conciliatory as mafia. But I don't expect Sandro to have that information or arrive at that conclusion based on how long he has been away. | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:41 Trfel wrote: I never said I thought Holyflare was town (or mafia for that matter), I just agreed with that one point. Can I not agree with something that someone said without knowing their alignment?If it's not a townread then what is it?? So explain to me Trfel, why us agreeing on sandro's recent posts is one of the top 2 reasons you think I am mafia. | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: DP did you ever look into what i saidon HF? Im looking at it now, I was distracted by the stupid shit trfel was doing. | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:50 Trfel wrote: It's literally not my reason, are you reading my posts at all? On December 11 2023 06:30 Trfel wrote: Second thing is that some of your reasoning really doesn't line up. For example, what raynpelikoneet mentioned, your reason to townread sandroba being that he was suspicious of marvellosity. He didn't engage marvellosity or push for his lynch, he's wanting to lynch Vivax, it's easy to say "this person is mafia" and not back it up or push it at all. Ok then what do you mean by this? | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:53 Trfel wrote: Here, I'll quote it again. Quoting it again doesn't magically make it worthwhile. 1.)I didn't call sandro town. If I think someone is town I will say they are town. 2.) You said basically the same thing about sandro as me regarding his posting revealing his mindset. 3.) I left the thread in the middle of the night. Therefore I am mafia. | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: DP did you ever look into what i saidon HF? Is it the stuff about not reading the post? If that is what you mean, then I can't really state with confidence that it makes him mafia, because It was pretty obvious to me that he was skimming the thread. I need to read his filter to really get a grasp on him, the last time I played with him he death tunneled me every game regardless of alignment so this is new. I will take a look though. | ||
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On December 11 2023 07:01 Trfel wrote: 1 - Okay, I'll leave this post:to stand for itself. If people choose to believe that you don't think sandroba is town and yet you made these posts, then whatever. 2 - So? I don't care. That's not why you are mafia. You can agree with me on something and still be mafia. 3 - We discussed this. Please stop being intentionally obtuse. I don't care if you think I am mafia, but the constant badgering with questions, ignoring the answers, and then misrepresenting me is getting really annoying really quick. Gotta head out for a bit, going to clear my head. Yeesh. Why does me making those posts about Sandro make me mafia when you also feel better about Sandro based on ostensibly the same posts? | ||
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On December 11 2023 07:01 Trfel wrote: 1 - Okay, I'll leave this post:to stand for itself. If people choose to believe that you don't think sandroba is town and yet you made these posts, then whatever. 2 - So? I don't care. That's not why you are mafia. You can agree with me on something and still be mafia. 3 - We discussed this. Please stop being intentionally obtuse. I don't care if you think I am mafia, but the constant badgering with questions, ignoring the answers, and then misrepresenting me is getting really annoying really quick. Gotta head out for a bit, going to clear my head. Yeesh. Why are you talking to me like I am town? | ||
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On December 11 2023 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think you're calling Trfel mafia, not the other way around here? It's not like you're being tunneled by Trfel DP, is it? Now i don't know why you think Trfel is mafia, where did he lie, or did any of those dubious things that might make them mafia? Bullet points please. Also look at what HF did: - rayn is scum because palmar - rayn posts - palmar didnt post when hf voted Trefel has me in his top two lynch candidates, why would he do that and then talk to me like I'm town. - Trefel formed a "scum" (without actually calling me scum) read on me based on 'lack of thread presence' - Trefel then acknowledged that it was the middle of the night and that may explain the lack of thread presence -Trefel then proceeds to try and get several others to post their thoughts on me -Trefel then says I am suspicious based on lack of thread presence (which should be discounted based on timezones) and the fact I called sandroba town. -Trefel then says Sandroba looks better based on exactly the reasoning I gave for not finding Sandroba suspicious. Basically his justifications for his top 2 lynch candidate read on me is farcical. Regarding Holyflare: Did he actually try and justify that vote on you from the start of the game? Cause that does look bad. | ||
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