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I don’t have preconceived notions about Palmar. Okay that’s obviously not true, I do.
But HF flipping town doesn’t suddenly overturn my townread on him. Mathematically it obviously makes it more likely, but that’s it.
I know I am already looking like a fool for lynching Hf, and potentially I will look 1000x the fool for not lynching Palmar. But I can’t do something I don’t believe because I’m scared of looking the fool.
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On December 18 2023 23:06 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 22:54 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 22:47 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 18 2023 22:40 sandroba wrote: Palmar + rayn makes sense I already said lets fucking vote this ego busted dickhead and the people here voting still on HF Rayn isn't here the hole day votes on HF instead of Palmar and Trfel waiting to see what rayn is going to do and votes then also on HF. Why not TRFEL and Rayn or Trfel and you or Trfel and Palmar. Why was he waiting? He is sad about HF and votes on him. What did he expect? Why didn't the people vote on Palmar here ot least on me as I said lynch rather me then HF. Yes I was also wrong but I knew he was at least not scum. Hell yes DMB, let's kill palmar together. Trfel from my perspective after d2 is very hard to believe is ever scum. Also, even beyond that many of his posts are just super townie, especially as the game progresses. Rayn makes more sense to me I will reread the hole game something is goeing extremly wrong here. We voting Town after Town.. nightkills random as fuck especially the Koshi kill pisses me off and then this yesterday.. The fuck is wrong in this game?! Yes i am still suspicious as hell of Palmar, but of you defently as well!! Don´t try do make a town looking conversation with me because right now I am suspicious about everybody here! See you again after reread the hole game Why are you suspicious of sandro please?
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On December 18 2023 22:04 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 09:12 Trfel wrote:On December 18 2023 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##vote Holyflare
Out ofthese three i am voting here. I had least somewhat productive discussion with Palmar last night, DMB i dont think is mafia. Also voting Holyflare I guess. Trfel just waiting on which vote rayn was going and then voting on HF instead of Palmar... and I am more suspicious then this???? Maybe I am really wrong with Palmar and its Sandro and Trfel or Sandro and Palmar. How the fuck do I end up as scum in this bullshit scenario. I voted for Palmar. I was against HF lynch. I chanced my vote on Vivax as soon it was clear that he was town and we weren't anoth Townies at that lynch to chance it. Chez was suspicious for me just not my main scum reason and as I already said he is hard to read at least for me. Chez voting an 1 1/2 before lynch and not beeing here till lynch of Vivax is fucking suspicious. In America it's not fucking 4 am tell me that chez just safed you sandro. Because if Vivax didn't get lynched you would and he saved you!!! Tell me I am fucking right with this!! If you are scum just give up. Letting the newbie alive because it's always save to have somebody you can easy lynch. I am just a another version of VE. Always mafia lets VE alive. In every game VE was misslynch from Town (if he was Town) and you guys using me as your next misslynch for Town just because newbie looks scummy. "she writes different" She compares old games with the actual play still using here" She is not playing like the other that looks scummy". No you fucking with the wrong Town here. I am not VE and will do everything what this Town needs and if nobody sees this how chez just safed you at the vivax lynch I am obviously playing with the wrong people here. You all telling me how high you meta is and the experience you guys have over the last decade... yes we talking about a fucking decade and you don't see that. Maybe I believe this stream of emotion.
It helps that the VE shade continues
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The lack of paragraphing makes it more believable
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Sorry I was still talking about that DMB post
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On December 18 2023 23:37 sandroba wrote: Tell me what you think about my spiel on rayn marv Read it, went and read rayn’s filter since the conversation with Palmar, and I’m still struggling with it tbh with you.
I’m well aware there’s 2 mafia floating about though, so they have to be somewhere.
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Sand, can you remind me why you like Trfel for town so much now please?
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On December 18 2023 23:44 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 23:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 18 2023 23:06 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 18 2023 22:54 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 22:47 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 18 2023 22:40 sandroba wrote: Palmar + rayn makes sense I already said lets fucking vote this ego busted dickhead and the people here voting still on HF Rayn isn't here the hole day votes on HF instead of Palmar and Trfel waiting to see what rayn is going to do and votes then also on HF. Why not TRFEL and Rayn or Trfel and you or Trfel and Palmar. Why was he waiting? He is sad about HF and votes on him. What did he expect? Why didn't the people vote on Palmar here ot least on me as I said lynch rather me then HF. Yes I was also wrong but I knew he was at least not scum. Hell yes DMB, let's kill palmar together. Trfel from my perspective after d2 is very hard to believe is ever scum. Also, even beyond that many of his posts are just super townie, especially as the game progresses. Rayn makes more sense to me I will reread the hole game something is goeing extremly wrong here. We voting Town after Town.. nightkills random as fuck especially the Koshi kill pisses me off and then this yesterday.. The fuck is wrong in this game?! Yes i am still suspicious as hell of Palmar, but of you defently as well!! Don´t try do make a town looking conversation with me because right now I am suspicious about everybody here! See you again after reread the hole game Why are you suspicious of sandro please? I fucking tell you why. Lynch Nr. 1 Most people are on Vivax second most voted train Sandro. Chez voted 1 hour before lynch on Vivax. At this point he should aready know that Vivax will get emtional now and he has good scum player should also know that maybe the vote train will go on sandro, but sadly not anoth town people here at that moment to save Vivax, Second lynch almost everbody on chez at the end of the timer but few hours before there was voting train on chez or on sandro and chez still rather voting on Trfel then on Sandro why should he do that. I’ve gone back and looked at the d2 votes because your comment on chez’s vote made me think.
But Chez voted really early on d2, and eventually the Chez lynch was a total runaway. So I don’t think your point makes that much sense as what was Chez gonna do with his vote once they all started piling on him?
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DMB, as you like a bit of meta and reading old games.
Can you find a single example where sandro has a decent size filter and fights for his life when he is about to be lynched as mafia?
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On December 18 2023 23:53 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 23:44 marvellosity wrote: Sand, can you remind me why you like Trfel for town so much now please? 1 - he saved me d2 when thread sentiment was against me. He called out Chez behavior as mafia, pointed out the game they played as scum together. I went ahead and looked at the game and everything checked out. Also Trfel had very few posts as mafia in that game, wasn't engaged at all. The analysis posts he is making make a lot of sense to me, it shows he is thinking about the game. His palmar town read, if he is mafia it must be with palmar? Not sure how voting HF instead of Palmar and sticking with his town read helps him here. HF was on a path of Palmar > DMB > rayn while Palmar's path includes him? Can't wrap my head around why he would not just go along and lynch me d2, he had every excuse as mafia to do so. He had the story set up from his perspective for finding me suspicious. Given the runaway lynch on Chez, can you not imagine the world where mafia (either Trfel alone or a group decision) make the choice to bus Chez and look good from it?
What I’m saying is, if Trfel stuck on you and didn’t vote Chez and everyone else voted the same, he would look like 100% mafia after d2 lynch
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On December 18 2023 23:56 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 23:51 marvellosity wrote: DMB, as you like a bit of meta and reading old games.
Can you find a single example where sandro has a decent size filter and fights for his life when he is about to be lynched as mafia? I will search for that. I will find it. I will destroy him if it is same playstyle as here. Scum pissed me off a bit to much and now I will find this two f****rs immediately DMB, I get that you’re emotional, but on the assumption that you’re town, take some deep breaths and be rational.
It’s crunch time and if you’re flying off the handle that’s not gonna get scum lynched. That’s the only goal.
Lecture us after the game for being plebs if that’s what you need to do!
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On December 19 2023 00:01 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 23:58 marvellosity wrote:On December 18 2023 23:53 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 23:44 marvellosity wrote: Sand, can you remind me why you like Trfel for town so much now please? 1 - he saved me d2 when thread sentiment was against me. He called out Chez behavior as mafia, pointed out the game they played as scum together. I went ahead and looked at the game and everything checked out. Also Trfel had very few posts as mafia in that game, wasn't engaged at all. The analysis posts he is making make a lot of sense to me, it shows he is thinking about the game. His palmar town read, if he is mafia it must be with palmar? Not sure how voting HF instead of Palmar and sticking with his town read helps him here. HF was on a path of Palmar > DMB > rayn while Palmar's path includes him? Can't wrap my head around why he would not just go along and lynch me d2, he had every excuse as mafia to do so. He had the story set up from his perspective for finding me suspicious. Given the runaway lynch on Chez, can you not imagine the world where mafia (either Trfel alone or a group decision) make the choice to bus Chez and look good from it? What I’m saying is, if Trfel stuck on you and didn’t vote Chez and everyone else voted the same, he would look like 100% mafia after d2 lynch When Trfel started advocating the Chez lynch and called me town there was no runaway wagon on Chez. Are you saying like Trfel and Slam or Trfel alone randomly decided not to lynch me and go after Chezinu just for cred? Yes (at least I think it is not an unreasonable line of thought!)
Mafia in that spot (even before all the votes pile on Chez) have to make a decision on whether supporting your lynch will actually get you lynched.
If the answer is “I don’t think sand will end up getting lynched” the correct play is to go after Chez for cred
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On December 19 2023 00:03 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 23:58 marvellosity wrote:On December 18 2023 23:53 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 23:44 marvellosity wrote: Sand, can you remind me why you like Trfel for town so much now please? 1 - he saved me d2 when thread sentiment was against me. He called out Chez behavior as mafia, pointed out the game they played as scum together. I went ahead and looked at the game and everything checked out. Also Trfel had very few posts as mafia in that game, wasn't engaged at all. The analysis posts he is making make a lot of sense to me, it shows he is thinking about the game. His palmar town read, if he is mafia it must be with palmar? Not sure how voting HF instead of Palmar and sticking with his town read helps him here. HF was on a path of Palmar > DMB > rayn while Palmar's path includes him? Can't wrap my head around why he would not just go along and lynch me d2, he had every excuse as mafia to do so. He had the story set up from his perspective for finding me suspicious. Given the runaway lynch on Chez, can you not imagine the world where mafia (either Trfel alone or a group decision) make the choice to bus Chez and look good from it? What I’m saying is, if Trfel stuck on you and didn’t vote Chez and everyone else voted the same, he would look like 100% mafia after d2 lynch That would make sense if he had that change of heart after the day progressed, but I'm pretty sure he was one the first to actually call me town and tell people to go on Chez. At the point which he did I was advocating for his lynch, not Chez's The thing is I remember well the point you called him town and why.
Pocketed you for the rest of the game, potentially, from that one play.
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On December 19 2023 00:25 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 00:05 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 00:03 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 23:58 marvellosity wrote:On December 18 2023 23:53 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 23:44 marvellosity wrote: Sand, can you remind me why you like Trfel for town so much now please? 1 - he saved me d2 when thread sentiment was against me. He called out Chez behavior as mafia, pointed out the game they played as scum together. I went ahead and looked at the game and everything checked out. Also Trfel had very few posts as mafia in that game, wasn't engaged at all. The analysis posts he is making make a lot of sense to me, it shows he is thinking about the game. His palmar town read, if he is mafia it must be with palmar? Not sure how voting HF instead of Palmar and sticking with his town read helps him here. HF was on a path of Palmar > DMB > rayn while Palmar's path includes him? Can't wrap my head around why he would not just go along and lynch me d2, he had every excuse as mafia to do so. He had the story set up from his perspective for finding me suspicious. Given the runaway lynch on Chez, can you not imagine the world where mafia (either Trfel alone or a group decision) make the choice to bus Chez and look good from it? What I’m saying is, if Trfel stuck on you and didn’t vote Chez and everyone else voted the same, he would look like 100% mafia after d2 lynch That would make sense if he had that change of heart after the day progressed, but I'm pretty sure he was one the first to actually call me town and tell people to go on Chez. At the point which he did I was advocating for his lynch, not Chez's The thing is I remember well the point you called him town and why. Pocketed you for the rest of the game, potentially, from that one play. You also "pocketed" me for the rest of the game by changing your vote to chez when you had every excuse not to. Should I also throw away this notion and assume it was a bad play? I mean from a personal pov I can’t say yes, but from a logical one yes is the answer.
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On December 19 2023 01:11 sandroba wrote:Marv, tell me what's so townie from rayn during his palmar conversation d2. All I can see is he either trying to diffuse suspicion from a townie or putting on a show with a partner. After he accomplishes that he just fucks off. He takes the angle "if I'm mafia who is mafia with me", placates Palmar and that's it. I see rayn grilling Trfel for a bit in the next page, it looks like the only player he ever goes aggro on. And this is after agreeing with Palmar here: Show nested quote +On December 17 2023 08:59 Palmar wrote:On December 17 2023 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you Palmar tell me, if i am to flip mafia here, how are you going to go for the next day? How do you reason either sandroba or Holyflare being mafia? Again, I don't do associative reads and I don't care what deaf mafia say. Do you agree with my townreads? (dmb, trfel, slam) Show nested quote +On December 17 2023 09:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i agree with those reads. Seems like an inconsistent state of mind from rayn. Not sure how this reflects on Trfel, but definetely seems off from rayn In general I hate the question “if I flip mafia what are you gonna do next”. I don’t understand it.
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On December 19 2023 01:14 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2023 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 17 2023 09:42 Palmar wrote:On December 17 2023 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 17 2023 09:36 Palmar wrote: Yeah, your reads are based more on voting and actions and less on feel, tone and intuition, but the results are the same.
So we just lynch HF? I dont wanna do that right now because he was the only person being reasonable with me last night (lol) when noone else was. I can do whatever i want tomorrow. Do you have a case on him? I know my case is considered irrelevant for everyone else in the game already. As I said, I don't really. The points I have against him right now are: 1) He did very little early in the game. He was at the bottom of my "people who did shit on day 1" list outside of chez/slam 2) I genuinely expected HF to get into a massive argument with me on night 1 for being wrong on Vivax. 3) Like I've accused you of, I don't think he has changed any hearts and minds in this town. I can agree to 1 and probably to 3 as well. Not so much on 2. Question to you; based on 3, you think i haven't done that? Maybe not in a way you like but like you think i haven't made any major discussions happen for instance? Palmar is asking rayn about HF, but since Palmar mentions rayn here he has very little curiosity about the HF discussion and goes into disrupt suspicion mode again The posts from 2488 that go on a few just read natural to me. Don’t they to you? Says lynching you is the right thing for gameplay reasons. Then says he doesn’t really think you’re mafia though. Moves on to DMB and then a little while later concludes not mafia.
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Just one other thing on Trfel.
Why is he the only other player than me not to have some sort of mafia read on Palmar yesterday?
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On December 19 2023 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have a hard time understanding D2 which should actually tell a lot about the game, maybe the most in terms of what actual information we do have. Apparently everyone sees, or claim to see this entirely the other way i do see it.
marv in your opinion, whose votes were they key votes in changing the lynch from sandroba to Chezinu? I mean, mine. Koshi and Palmar basically followed me off sand so that’s a huge swing.
Not trying to claim any cred for this btw.
I think sand/hf supporting the lynch probably helped outside of votes.
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On December 19 2023 01:42 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 23:34 marvellosity wrote: I don’t have preconceived notions about Palmar. Okay that’s obviously not true, I do.
But HF flipping town doesn’t suddenly overturn my townread on him. Mathematically it obviously makes it more likely, but that’s it.
I know I am already looking like a fool for lynching Hf, and potentially I will look 1000x the fool for not lynching Palmar. But I can’t do something I don’t believe because I’m scared of looking the fool. This is fair, Care to flesh out the townread again? I won't be upset if you don't want to and instead tell me to press the little link under any one of your posts that says "filter"... Fleshing out is difficult.
The short answer is - I don’t think anything he wrote is fake.
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On December 19 2023 01:44 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 01:38 marvellosity wrote: Just one other thing on Trfel.
Why is he the only other player than me not to have some sort of mafia read on Palmar yesterday?
He was town reading Palmar, he said the only reason he might even consider Palmar is mafia is due to trouble finding the other scum. He was town reading rayn at that point, only real scum read was dmb But why when no one else was?
I’m a special (possibly dumb fool) case. Trfel isn’t.
So ???
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