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On December 10 2023 20:24 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 20:18 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 20:13 marvellosity wrote:
If I came In the the thread first and had called out sandro’s post, I would think it was insane DP was calling me on it.
Just sayin. I think DarthPunk is focusing more on the way I brought up suspicion about sandroba's post rather than just that I did it, but I could be wrong? On December 10 2023 20:14 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 19:47 Trfel wrote:
I'm not expecting some huge commitment or 100% certain reads or anything like that. But I think it's reasonable to expect something of substance. Sandroba failed to provide that. I understand people wanting to share thoughts, even if they aren't sure about the conclusions, but at the same time it's a game of mafia where the conclusions about people's alignments is ultimately what matters. My point about sandroba isn't that he didn't have any strong conclusions, it's the amount of thoughts he shared without any conclusions whatsoever and the way that he seemingly undermined any conclusion he could have made with doubt and take-backsies or whatever you want to call it. I don't think that everything needs to progress the game necessarily, or have a distinct purpose, it's that sandroba's post is the type of post that should have a purpose but just doesn't.
What kind of substance are you expecting? he literally posted the 10th post of the game? If you go back to that quote I made with the red and take out the stuff in red then it would have had substantial conclusions. How confident would you say you were of sandroba's alignment when you wrote that post?
Can you respond to this please.
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On December 10 2023 20:31 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 20:30 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 20:24 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 20:18 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 20:13 marvellosity wrote:
If I came In the the thread first and had called out sandro’s post, I would think it was insane DP was calling me on it.
Just sayin. I think DarthPunk is focusing more on the way I brought up suspicion about sandroba's post rather than just that I did it, but I could be wrong? On December 10 2023 20:14 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 19:47 Trfel wrote:
I'm not expecting some huge commitment or 100% certain reads or anything like that. But I think it's reasonable to expect something of substance. Sandroba failed to provide that. I understand people wanting to share thoughts, even if they aren't sure about the conclusions, but at the same time it's a game of mafia where the conclusions about people's alignments is ultimately what matters. My point about sandroba isn't that he didn't have any strong conclusions, it's the amount of thoughts he shared without any conclusions whatsoever and the way that he seemingly undermined any conclusion he could have made with doubt and take-backsies or whatever you want to call it. I don't think that everything needs to progress the game necessarily, or have a distinct purpose, it's that sandroba's post is the type of post that should have a purpose but just doesn't.
What kind of substance are you expecting? he literally posted the 10th post of the game? If you go back to that quote I made with the red and take out the stuff in red then it would have had substantial conclusions. How confident would you say you were of sandroba's alignment when you wrote that post? Can you respond to this please. I thought I did?
Oh you did my bad.
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On December 10 2023 20:29 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 20:21 marvellosity wrote:On December 10 2023 20:18 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 20:13 marvellosity wrote:
If I came In the the thread first and had called out sandro’s post, I would think it was insane DP was calling me on it.
Just sayin. I think DarthPunk is focusing more on the way I brought up suspicion about sandroba's post rather than just that I did it, but I could be wrong? On December 10 2023 20:14 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 19:47 Trfel wrote:
I'm not expecting some huge commitment or 100% certain reads or anything like that. But I think it's reasonable to expect something of substance. Sandroba failed to provide that. I understand people wanting to share thoughts, even if they aren't sure about the conclusions, but at the same time it's a game of mafia where the conclusions about people's alignments is ultimately what matters. My point about sandroba isn't that he didn't have any strong conclusions, it's the amount of thoughts he shared without any conclusions whatsoever and the way that he seemingly undermined any conclusion he could have made with doubt and take-backsies or whatever you want to call it. I don't think that everything needs to progress the game necessarily, or have a distinct purpose, it's that sandroba's post is the type of post that should have a purpose but just doesn't.
What kind of substance are you expecting? he literally posted the 10th post of the game? If you go back to that quote I made with the red and take out the stuff in red then it would have had substantial conclusions. Yes, he is, but I don’t understand why you’d legitimise the attack on what, I would assume, would be your legit read on sandro’s post. Now I don’t like any of you :/ I mean I don't like that DarthPunk is disagreeing with me, I don't know if that makes him mafia though. Townies disagree about things fairly often. I can still stand by my view of sandroba and not be sure about DarthPunk, no?
Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 20:24 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 20:18 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 20:13 marvellosity wrote:
If I came In the the thread first and had called out sandro’s post, I would think it was insane DP was calling me on it.
Just sayin. I think DarthPunk is focusing more on the way I brought up suspicion about sandroba's post rather than just that I did it, but I could be wrong? On December 10 2023 20:14 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 19:47 Trfel wrote:
I'm not expecting some huge commitment or 100% certain reads or anything like that. But I think it's reasonable to expect something of substance. Sandroba failed to provide that. I understand people wanting to share thoughts, even if they aren't sure about the conclusions, but at the same time it's a game of mafia where the conclusions about people's alignments is ultimately what matters. My point about sandroba isn't that he didn't have any strong conclusions, it's the amount of thoughts he shared without any conclusions whatsoever and the way that he seemingly undermined any conclusion he could have made with doubt and take-backsies or whatever you want to call it. I don't think that everything needs to progress the game necessarily, or have a distinct purpose, it's that sandroba's post is the type of post that should have a purpose but just doesn't.
What kind of substance are you expecting? he literally posted the 10th post of the game? If you go back to that quote I made with the red and take out the stuff in red then it would have had substantial conclusions. How confident would you say you were of sandroba's alignment when you wrote that post? Of sandroba's alignment? Not very. His opening post felt very suspicious, but it's just one post. That could just be the way he thinks and communicates his thoughts. I'm very interested to see how he follows it up.
What -is- your view of Sandroba then?
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It just seems to me that you came roaring out of the gate with a huge case, based on some nitpicking really early in the thread, and you end up going nowhere on anything which is the essence of what the case you wrote on Sandro in the first place.
Now fair enough, sandroba hasn't been around so you haven't been able to pursue things further.
But your level of aggression just didn't really match with what was going on in the thread at the time, which you kind of acknowledge at the start of said post.
On December 10 2023 13:25 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. I guess instead of waiting I'll let the cat out of the bag, I'm impatient.
It's almost like an apology, like what were you waiting for?
And now you are kind of backtracking, which also doesn't match with the way you lead out originally.
it's all quite jarring to me.
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On December 10 2023 21:06 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 17:14 DarthPunk wrote:
The level 1 analysis of this is that a player is being aggressive early, not afraid to post and that would be good for Trfel. My initial feelings reading the post was that it felt forced, with a lot of generic statements to try and make Sandroba's post seeem worse than it was.
I disagree that at the point of the game in which we are right now, that everything said needs to progress the game in a meaningful way. Sure, I would like that to be the case, but I also don't think that someone being non-committal is alignment indicative, in fact, someone being strongly committed early tends to make me lean mafia more than town, Town are trying to figure shit out at the start and are more curious than committed. DarthPunk, care to explain this?
What exactly do you want me to explain about it?
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On December 10 2023 21:18 Palmar wrote:
Mafia don’t get impatient to post their trash takes in the thread DP. They’d rather not post them.
Everyone here is better than this IMO. I agree on a basic level, but play develops beyond that point after a while.
I tend to think townies are unapologetic and outraged when they detect some bullshit. Which is why I pointed it out, it speaks to a level of self-awareness of how he is viewed in my opinion.
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On December 10 2023 21:28 Trfel wrote:Wait, what? I'm gonna need you to explain this one as well.
I applied pressure, you held up well to the pressure, I am less inclined to lynch you now.
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On December 10 2023 21:41 Vivax wrote:
Palmar a bit too sure of himself in tone for my liking. Like he's got somebody lined up to be gifted a pair of shiny concrete boots, maybe a weak teammate under threat (which could be sandro).
He's very conscious of the Trfel/Sandro dichotomy here but not as motivated to deliver much explanation of his own as he is to appear motivated to lynch into it.
Good post.
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On December 10 2023 21:49 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:40 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 21:28 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:27 DarthPunk wrote:
ok. that's fine.
Unvote
Wait, what? I'm gonna need you to explain this one as well. I applied pressure, you held up well to the pressure, I am less inclined to lynch you now. So did you not think I was mafia?
I think you could be, but I am less inclined to try and lynch you right now because:
1.) you are active and engaged in the thread, and
2.) transparent about your thought processes and reasoning
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On December 10 2023 21:59 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:51 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 21:49 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:40 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 21:28 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:27 DarthPunk wrote:
ok. that's fine.
Unvote
Wait, what? I'm gonna need you to explain this one as well. I applied pressure, you held up well to the pressure, I am less inclined to lynch you now. So did you not think I was mafia? I think you could be, but I am less inclined to try and lynch you right now because: 1.) you are active and engaged in the thread, and 2.) transparent about your thought processes and reasoning I see, that makes a little more sense. I was finding it suspicious that you seemed so sure of me being mafia (see here for example) and then call it a pressure and back off. Conveniently after people such as marvellosity and Vivax also show suspicion about sandroba's opening post and your push onto me didn't seem to get much support. It feels like you're giving up really easily, for being so certain, unless it was just a pressure, but it doesn't read like a pressure to me? Or maybe that's the point of the pressure.Regardless though, the timing feels rather convenient.
Pretty much that, except it wasn't just pressure.
I don't care about the timing or what it looks like, I would tunnel you regardless of what anyone else thinks if I thought it was the best way to solve the game, but it had run its course, and we were about to start going in circles.
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On December 10 2023 22:02 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:59 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:51 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 21:49 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:40 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 21:28 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:27 DarthPunk wrote:
ok. that's fine.
Unvote
Wait, what? I'm gonna need you to explain this one as well. I applied pressure, you held up well to the pressure, I am less inclined to lynch you now. So did you not think I was mafia? I think you could be, but I am less inclined to try and lynch you right now because: 1.) you are active and engaged in the thread, and 2.) transparent about your thought processes and reasoning I see, that makes a little more sense. I was finding it suspicious that you seemed so sure of me being mafia (see here for example) and then call it a pressure and back off. Conveniently after people such as marvellosity and Vivax also show suspicion about sandroba's opening post and your push onto me didn't seem to get much support. It feels like you're giving up really easily, for being so certain, unless it was just a pressure, but it doesn't read like a pressure to me? Or maybe that's the point of the pressure.Regardless though, the timing feels rather convenient. Pretty much that, except it wasn't just pressure. I don't care about the timing or what it looks like, I would tunnel you regardless of what anyone else thinks if I thought it was the best way to solve the game, but it had run its course, and we were about to start going in circles.
It still feels to me like you are kind of just forcing yourself to scum hunt instead of being naturally curious about people's alignment, but maybe that's just your style.
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On December 10 2023 22:40 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 21:41 Vivax wrote:
Palmar a bit too sure of himself in tone for my liking. Like he's got somebody lined up to be gifted a pair of shiny concrete boots, maybe a weak teammate under threat (which could be sandro).
He's very conscious of the Trfel/Sandro dichotomy here but not as motivated to deliver much explanation of his own as he is to appear motivated to lynch into it. Good post. Is it though
The first sentence and last paragraph yes. I was thinking along the same lines.
I really respect Palmars play and wanted more than cocky one liners at around the same time that vivacious posted that.
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On December 10 2023 22:50 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 22:49 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 22:40 marvellosity wrote:On December 10 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 21:41 Vivax wrote:
Palmar a bit too sure of himself in tone for my liking. Like he's got somebody lined up to be gifted a pair of shiny concrete boots, maybe a weak teammate under threat (which could be sandro).
He's very conscious of the Trfel/Sandro dichotomy here but not as motivated to deliver much explanation of his own as he is to appear motivated to lynch into it. Good post. Is it though The first sentence and last paragraph yes. I was thinking along the same lines. I really respect Palmars play and wanted more than cocky one liners at around the same time that vivacious posted that. … do you remember his play?
Not really. I remember watching an analysis video he posted. That’s about it.
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On December 10 2023 22:59 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 22:50 marvellosity wrote:On December 10 2023 22:49 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 22:40 marvellosity wrote:On December 10 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 21:41 Vivax wrote:
Palmar a bit too sure of himself in tone for my liking. Like he's got somebody lined up to be gifted a pair of shiny concrete boots, maybe a weak teammate under threat (which could be sandro).
He's very conscious of the Trfel/Sandro dichotomy here but not as motivated to deliver much explanation of his own as he is to appear motivated to lynch into it. Good post. Is it though The first sentence and last paragraph yes. I was thinking along the same lines. I really respect Palmars play and wanted more than cocky one liners at around the same time that vivacious posted that. … do you remember his play? Not really. I remember watching an analysis video he posted. That’s about it.
the reason I thought vivax’s post was good was because it had a thought process I could empathise with. (Mostly)
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On December 10 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 22:59 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 22:50 marvellosity wrote:On December 10 2023 22:49 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 22:40 marvellosity wrote:On December 10 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 21:41 Vivax wrote:
Palmar a bit too sure of himself in tone for my liking. Like he's got somebody lined up to be gifted a pair of shiny concrete boots, maybe a weak teammate under threat (which could be sandro).
He's very conscious of the Trfel/Sandro dichotomy here but not as motivated to deliver much explanation of his own as he is to appear motivated to lynch into it. Good post. Is it though The first sentence and last paragraph yes. I was thinking along the same lines. I really respect Palmars play and wanted more than cocky one liners at around the same time that vivacious posted that. … do you remember his play? Not really. I remember watching an analysis video he posted. That’s about it. Crash course. He’s smart and insightful (something I like about him), but a lot of the time in he thread he’s cocky and useless (something else I like about him) and he likes to get a rise out of me (something I don’t like but secretly do). What I’m saying is his posting so far is pretty normal. He doesn’t have to be town of course but it’s well within normal tolerance. I can’t really remember how I’m supposed to read him, other than whether I believe the agenda he’s pushing. Which is fine atm.
Ok I’ll take that as face value. But do you think vivax should have know that about him?
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I'm back, just started work, I think trfel looks bad again based on my quick skim of the thread, I'm also not sure why he looks so town to everyone else (im not familiar with his play style so maybe that is part of it.)
Sandroba also looks good to me when he posts, so again, don't understand the scum reads on him.
I'm going to make a catchup post now but will also be around ITT to interact.
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Im also going to say slam is town based on how 'free' he is posting.
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On December 11 2023 05:45 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 05:25 Chezinu wrote:
Dear Mafias,
You do not have to follow the path of redness though your name is stained with red. You can live without eliminating the green and blue. You can resist the urge to kill!! It is not too late for a blue priest to make you green!! Just repent openly and confess to the priest and He will remove your redness. You could be green or even perhaps blue!! But Chezinu, what color are you?
This is banned.
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On December 11 2023 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 05:42 DarthPunk wrote:
Sandroba also looks good to me when he posts, so again, don't understand the scum reads on him.
Why, please?
Basically because in isolation his posts resonate with my own thinking in some way.
I do think you had one of the best reasons to call him mafia though, which I hadn't read when I made that post.
But I still don't think I would lynch him at this point.
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