On December 23 2023 07:25 sandroba wrote:
I'm a bit shaken so you still have a shot. I'm waiting for Palmar to help me out here.
Just the thought of losing to Slam who is coasting on these town reads and not doing shit is pissing me off.

Im kinda waiting on your report from mason

sandroba

Canada4998 Posts

December 23 2023 02:42 GMT

#3522

Initially, it was kinda detached, but I got started to get bad feelings about and now Slam is being more forthcoming. I was 99.95% it's rayn and now I'm down to 95%.

Even the NK, if it were Slam, I think he would kill you Palmar, since you said you were never lynching rayn. The Trfel kill makes it more likely it's rayn. The fact that rayn didn't seem to have read the thread before going on the offense. There are just too many things.

I went through dmb filter thinking it would help, but instead what I find is dmb says slam is her top town read, never really doubts slam.
When she talks abou rayn she is like "Can never tell if rayn is town or mafia" typical mafia shit. And slowly rayn makes his way into her town reads.

So yeah, didn't help a ton.

sandroba

Canada4998 Posts

December 23 2023 02:45 GMT

#3523

The thing about slam is that every time I was like "Slam I'm in your pocket" or "Slam, I won't ever vote you in mylo", or "The only reason Slam might be mafia is he was too good of a townie" he would always pushed back on that or agree it's unusual for him to right as town, which I think is super bold for mafia to do.

Alakaslam

United States17336 Posts

December 23 2023 03:04 GMT

#3524

On December 23 2023 09:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Show nested quote +

Why did yuo vote vote DMB, you had her as town?

To not be modkilled

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

December 23 2023 15:42 GMT

#3525

Annoying we don’t have a mislynch left and we got no info from blues. Town has actually turned this game around nicely and yet it comes down to this mylo

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

December 23 2023 16:53 GMT

#3526

Slam you better be town here or you’re getting day 1 policy lynched for life.

Alakaslam

United States17336 Posts

December 23 2023 17:17 GMT

#3527

On December 24 2023 01:53 Palmar wrote:
Slam you better be town here or you’re getting day 1 policy lynched for life.

I can understand that. After my play thus far, to then be mafia is kinda too much.

If it is you or Sandro I feel this is earned because yesterday's wifom bomb would have been a stroke of true Genius.

If it is Rayn then really WP either way as he is in an unwinnable situation and is still able to cast a lot of shade on me, pretty convincingly.

Which turns unwinnable into winnable.

I don't know many who can do that.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

December 23 2023 19:19 GMT

#3528

Well this got too close yo chrisymas. No time anymore.
I am not mafia.
gg anyways

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

December 23 2023 23:29 GMT

#3529

So, I'm just going to write a little bit about my thought process here.

I have good townies vouching pretty hard for all the people left. Marv for Sandroba and Rayn and HF for Slam. At this point those become pretty much a non-factor, not because I don't think reading dead townies is a good idea, but because they pretty much cancel each other out.

Despite some of these people having 30 page filters that I'm absolutely not reading entirely through, I'm going to sort of explain why I'm going to end up voting rayn out of poe.

If Sandroba is mafia, he could've just straight up won the game last night. Rayn was adamantly opposed to lynching dmb. Instead of feigning disinterest sandroba argued with rayn for pages and pages to get the lynch on the actual mafia. This is completely unnecessary in mylo. My thought process is pretty much "Sandroba could already have won, but he decided to not." This obviously doesn't mean he can't be mafia, it's just the reasoning I'm using.

Additionally I feel like Sandroba's insistence on rayn being the final mafia is pretty interesting. There actually is an option if he is mafia to go back on me, but he doesn't.

Regarding slam it becomes more difficult. I townread him initially for pre-game claiming that I am very good at reading his alignment and him being afraid of my ability to do so. I can't read him for shit, but that's irrelevant, the entire point is that he seems to have genuinely thought I could.

So if he believes that, masoning me immediately in the game is pretty much insane, unless he made that wifom post pre-game... just anticipating he might be mafia? and might roll whisperer? It's a tiny bit more likely that he anticipated this response to my post, but there are other points to Slam being town. He did really help kill Chez, HF townreads him hard after the mason topic.

Slam is an incredibly difficult read in pretty much any game. If we rolled Chez/dmb/Slam mafia game that was always going to be a little tough lol.

This leaves rayn. I actually changed my mind after rayn being rational with me when I was under real threat. My basic argument for him maybe being mafia back then still stands. He's said a lot of words but not really pushed town. He did try to push town this last cycle though, but the direction he was pushing would've lost the game right there for town.

The thing that gives me pause and hesitation is marv's townread on rayn. I know my view is going to be biased. I was being tunneled by a bunch of people, so when someone actually engages with you it sometimes distorts your view of that person. But marv was under no real suspicion of rayn, yet he moved on after the discussion with me as well. And marv really knows rayn. It's almost hypocritical of me to push for a rayn lynch here.

So what do we do? We have hit mafia with 2/4 lynches which is pretty good. But unfortunately (and not really through any fault of their own) our blues were a non-factor in a mafia favored game. If we somehow had a mislynch left we probably win this, but that's not the world given to us. Note I'm not blaming the hosts, they did make a balanced game with what they have. It's just that 12 player games are pretty much automatically mafia favored (because 12 player with 2 mafia would be heavily town favored).

It's been an interesting game that's thrown a lot of assumptions out the window. I'm not necessarily happy with where I'm landing today, but I feel like at least I have good reasons to do what I do.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

December 23 2023 23:31 GMT

#3530

Very sad HF sacrificed his life to save the mafia godfather. RIP legend.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

December 24 2023 00:06 GMT

#3531

I did ctrl+f marv's filter for "track" and "follow" :D

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

December 24 2023 00:20 GMT

#3532

And stalk, cause he fancy

Grackaroni

United States9856 Posts

December 24 2023 03:00 GMT

#3533

Town Victory

raynpelikoneet the Mafia Goon has been lynched.

Palmar has survived
Alakaslam has survived
sandroba has survived.

Role actions:

Day/Night 1

marvellosity tracks Koshi
DarthPunk protects marvellosity
raynpelikoneet shoots Darthpunk
Chezinu roleblocks Trfel
Alakaslam masons Palmar

Day/Night 2

marvellosity tracks Holyflare
raynpelikoneet shoots Koshi
Palmar masons sandroba

Day/Night 3

die_meatbaby shoots marvellosity
Alakaslam masons Holyflare

Day/Night 4

raynpelikoneet shoots Trfel
Trfel masons sandroba

Day 5

sandroba masons Alakaslam

Thanks for playing! I will add everyone to the scum/obs/mason chats.

iamperfection

United States9645 Posts

December 24 2023 03:10 GMT

#3534

i give rayn credit for giving it a sporting chance at the end there. Probably should have just bussed DMB or maybe bussed each other?

Trfel

7015 Posts

December 24 2023 03:13 GMT

#3535

Good game everyone, nice job! Pleasure playing with you all

Felt like sandroba did an incredible job. Really strong play.

Vivax

22191 Posts

December 24 2023 03:26 GMT

#3536

Game felt sterile from an intensity standpoint but otherwise good job. Most prefer squares over Dali paintings it‘s the way it is.

Good initiation by Trfel and sandroba baiting scumreads early and marv Dp and plamar playing along.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

December 24 2023 03:26 GMT

#3537

gg wp

Could still be marv