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Okay either way whatever you think of me this is def a Koshi first lynch.
Then I guess it comes down to math (no not math but also math)
Do we think Mafia is uber caught day 2 and it's ls koshi math?
Do we think Mafia is uber depressed and it's Koshi LS TTT
Is it not even Koshi and Mafia was so absolutally uber caught it was TTT LS Math? (unlikely?)
Do we think it's LS Koshi, fucking DP or some shit and he's doing the trust me Mafia I'll bus you and win late game and carry play.
Or is it LS Koshi and Me (it's not ftr)
As a side note I absolutally love the TTT post he just did. I don't know how to describe it but there's this resonation with me that's just insane right now if Mafia TTT conceived that post I've gotta take my hat off to it.
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Also, you and DP aside, DP and I are basically in lockstep now.
When he list-posted, I felt reassured because it lined up real good. DP is somewhat correct in that we see stuff in similar ways, albeit we often take different paths to getting there. I've kept a fairly tight handle on where I was at up until today regarding both JSL and Koshi, and he basically started questioning his DMB read at exactly the same time as I did.
To you this probably doesn't mean much because it's all post hoc, but I'll say it anyway because it's true: While his congruence between this game and IRL is poor, his take is basically where I'd expect it if he were town with the exception of you. Also DP listens to a lot of shit he's not really interested in and smiles and nods, so that incongruence is explainable by DP being shit although it's still a bit much given how he articulated the answer. It's possible he just forgot it though :shrug:
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Ive got no time to read let alone analyse.
I'll probably check votes around end of day and then vote whatever takes my fancy.
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Marv if you would like to join me on an exercise if you read maths first like 6 or 7 posts in the game what do you think operating with ls and koshi scum.
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On September 01 2023 18:13 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2023 17:10 marvellosity wrote:
Jakey why are feeling burnt out? I've also gotta work on the weekend and I've done nothing this week but work train (sport) and play mafia. Don't worry this is my one day (irl time) semi off (aka not activly scum hunting beyond reading the thread and reacting) I'll be back at it tomorrow.
Welp never mind can't help myself. Diving Die Baby’s Filter
Initially suspicious of Chez and Vivax.
Then starts defending vivax for IRL reasons.
Thinks DP vs Vivax is town against town.
Is suspicious of TTT
Townreads Koshi votes TTT
Is big suspicious of TTT
Thinks IamPef is next after TTT before night kill.
Okay big post Thinks DP VIVAX RAYN Green
TTT VISCERA EYES mafia
Votes Math
Votes LS
Thinks it’s TTT again.
Says she won’t vote me day 3
Alright conclusions?
Town who was lazer focused on TTT most of the game and was verbaly saying they weren't going to vote me when theoretically I looked suspicious post LS lynch and might be a good person to attempt to lynch.
Hmm what Mafia team would want this dead? A Mafia team with JSL on it where TTT is town? I think not...
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On September 01 2023 18:17 iamperfection wrote:You have gotten soft in your old age marv. + Show Spoiler +I think I have gotten softer too lol
Unfortunate byproduct of ageing :/
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On September 01 2023 18:11 TankTopTiger wrote:
Oh so it's the DP thing. I guess you're the one I've entrusted with him so I'll give you a splurge.
It's a lot of personal stuff that isn't really verifiable and tbh I'd have to go back and reread the initial incident to give exact details anyway. The main thing when he was drilling me was the complete lack of hesitation. In Endurance II I was town and he wanted to lynch me but was tearing himself apart over it so bad I felt like scum. I didn't really have any reads beyond CC iirc (I don't remember the exact point), and he felt that it was unlike me not to have contributed much (same tune as this game). But he was so anxious about being the person that led a mislynch he couldn't do it. He also did similar things to other players, not just me. He was a mess, and I leaned into it as town to survive, much like I eventually did this game. But this game, it was more forced because I put him in an awkward position when I flipped because then all the personal shit I said, the references to personal conversations etc., they came from a confirmed town. So to me, him eventually giving me some charity was something I had to twist his arm to do if he wanted to not be shot to shit after I went down.
One example of a conversation he conveniently forgot in order to suspect me, was one where I had corrected his misremembering of Endurance II. He thought that I'd been pretty solid the whole way through, but in fact, I was almost dying the entire time and only survived one lynch because someone (I believe Slam) forgot to vote. DP acknowledged he'd misremembered it, but then completely erased this from his memory in order to bludgeon me with "you should have contributed by now". So both DMB and DP feel I should do better because of E1, and sort of ignored E2, but DP should know better because I know I've already told him.
More recently, when he described how I set myself parameters, this felt placatory, like I was being Forer'd. I do happen to agree somewhat with the assessment overall, but it wasn't specific enough and didn't really feel like it was an alignment indicative read. He said as scum I'd sacrifice win percent in order to win the way I want. This is true, but I do that as town too. Hell rn I'm not filter diving and I'm flaming idiots. These parametres arose as town organically as a way to keep myself posting. But I go into every game with some idea of how I want to play before I read my role.
So he felt too eager to lynch me early, and too eager to forgive me later. I expect myself to be pretty biased given I was attacked by someone I feel should have every reason not to (team straya has done real well for ourselves these last two games by finding a way to verify and trust each other), so take it with a pinch of salt. I don't trust myself to be objective about it so I'm comparmentalising to a pathological degree.
Yeah, okay. Read this a couple times and it doesn’t feel forced.
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On September 01 2023 18:32 iamperfection wrote:
Marv if you would like to join me on an exercise if you read maths first like 6 or 7 posts in the game what do you think operating with ls and koshi scum.
You think he’s choosing to directly interact with his 2 scumbuddies
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On September 01 2023 18:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2023 18:32 iamperfection wrote:
Marv if you would like to join me on an exercise if you read maths first like 6 or 7 posts in the game what do you think operating with ls and koshi scum. You think he’s choosing to directly interact with his 2 scumbuddies
I also (clearly) don't think it's forced. Math being scum with LS would be a trip but it also might explain why there was no last minute switch off LS from Mafia when I am Iam per were on it. If they were both Mafia what would the point be?
Math could also theoretically have seen how the thread is going and be like ya know what afkíng "worked" last time and the fight is over Koshi TTT JSL Ima keep that up."
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On August 27 2023 04:41 mathenalin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2023 23:55 LightningStrike wrote:
More likely town given last attempt of this game hence why I was wanting to give him more time. What does last attempt of this game mean?
This one in particular felt off to me.
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On September 01 2023 18:37 marvellosity wrote:Unfortunate byproduct of ageing :/
I have it too (in case it wasn't already obvious)
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On September 01 2023 18:26 mathenalin wrote:
Ive got no time to read let alone analyse.
I'll probably check votes around end of day and then vote whatever takes my fancy.
Yeah, does this level of investment checkout with the supposed level of investment early game and in the aborted version??
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On September 01 2023 18:40 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2023 18:11 TankTopTiger wrote:
Oh so it's the DP thing. I guess you're the one I've entrusted with him so I'll give you a splurge.
It's a lot of personal stuff that isn't really verifiable and tbh I'd have to go back and reread the initial incident to give exact details anyway. The main thing when he was drilling me was the complete lack of hesitation. In Endurance II I was town and he wanted to lynch me but was tearing himself apart over it so bad I felt like scum. I didn't really have any reads beyond CC iirc (I don't remember the exact point), and he felt that it was unlike me not to have contributed much (same tune as this game). But he was so anxious about being the person that led a mislynch he couldn't do it. He also did similar things to other players, not just me. He was a mess, and I leaned into it as town to survive, much like I eventually did this game. But this game, it was more forced because I put him in an awkward position when I flipped because then all the personal shit I said, the references to personal conversations etc., they came from a confirmed town. So to me, him eventually giving me some charity was something I had to twist his arm to do if he wanted to not be shot to shit after I went down.
One example of a conversation he conveniently forgot in order to suspect me, was one where I had corrected his misremembering of Endurance II. He thought that I'd been pretty solid the whole way through, but in fact, I was almost dying the entire time and only survived one lynch because someone (I believe Slam) forgot to vote. DP acknowledged he'd misremembered it, but then completely erased this from his memory in order to bludgeon me with "you should have contributed by now". So both DMB and DP feel I should do better because of E1, and sort of ignored E2, but DP should know better because I know I've already told him.
More recently, when he described how I set myself parameters, this felt placatory, like I was being Forer'd. I do happen to agree somewhat with the assessment overall, but it wasn't specific enough and didn't really feel like it was an alignment indicative read. He said as scum I'd sacrifice win percent in order to win the way I want. This is true, but I do that as town too. Hell rn I'm not filter diving and I'm flaming idiots. These parametres arose as town organically as a way to keep myself posting. But I go into every game with some idea of how I want to play before I read my role.
So he felt too eager to lynch me early, and too eager to forgive me later. I expect myself to be pretty biased given I was attacked by someone I feel should have every reason not to (team straya has done real well for ourselves these last two games by finding a way to verify and trust each other), so take it with a pinch of salt. I don't trust myself to be objective about it so I'm comparmentalising to a pathological degree. Yeah, okay. Read this a couple times and it doesn’t feel forced.
Yep, he is town. 
It's getting tough for mafia at this rate.
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Okay boys I'm feeling it. We march on Koshi.
After Koshi, unless there's a drastic turn, I want JSL before anyone else. I'm not sure why DP is acting as if that hateful disrespect post from JSL was anything less than a signed confession, but it's going to take a lot for me to consider anyone above them.
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On September 01 2023 19:23 TankTopTiger wrote:
Okay boys I'm feeling it. We march on Koshi.
After Koshi, unless there's a drastic turn, I want JSL before anyone else. I'm not sure why DP is acting as if that hateful disrespect post from JSL was anything less than a signed confession, but it's going to take a lot for me to consider anyone above them.
It was a dumb trap for me though, he has been doing it all game 
and math looking really mafia at this point.
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On September 01 2023 19:08 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2023 18:40 marvellosity wrote:On September 01 2023 18:11 TankTopTiger wrote:
Oh so it's the DP thing. I guess you're the one I've entrusted with him so I'll give you a splurge.
It's a lot of personal stuff that isn't really verifiable and tbh I'd have to go back and reread the initial incident to give exact details anyway. The main thing when he was drilling me was the complete lack of hesitation. In Endurance II I was town and he wanted to lynch me but was tearing himself apart over it so bad I felt like scum. I didn't really have any reads beyond CC iirc (I don't remember the exact point), and he felt that it was unlike me not to have contributed much (same tune as this game). But he was so anxious about being the person that led a mislynch he couldn't do it. He also did similar things to other players, not just me. He was a mess, and I leaned into it as town to survive, much like I eventually did this game. But this game, it was more forced because I put him in an awkward position when I flipped because then all the personal shit I said, the references to personal conversations etc., they came from a confirmed town. So to me, him eventually giving me some charity was something I had to twist his arm to do if he wanted to not be shot to shit after I went down.
One example of a conversation he conveniently forgot in order to suspect me, was one where I had corrected his misremembering of Endurance II. He thought that I'd been pretty solid the whole way through, but in fact, I was almost dying the entire time and only survived one lynch because someone (I believe Slam) forgot to vote. DP acknowledged he'd misremembered it, but then completely erased this from his memory in order to bludgeon me with "you should have contributed by now". So both DMB and DP feel I should do better because of E1, and sort of ignored E2, but DP should know better because I know I've already told him.
More recently, when he described how I set myself parameters, this felt placatory, like I was being Forer'd. I do happen to agree somewhat with the assessment overall, but it wasn't specific enough and didn't really feel like it was an alignment indicative read. He said as scum I'd sacrifice win percent in order to win the way I want. This is true, but I do that as town too. Hell rn I'm not filter diving and I'm flaming idiots. These parametres arose as town organically as a way to keep myself posting. But I go into every game with some idea of how I want to play before I read my role.
So he felt too eager to lynch me early, and too eager to forgive me later. I expect myself to be pretty biased given I was attacked by someone I feel should have every reason not to (team straya has done real well for ourselves these last two games by finding a way to verify and trust each other), so take it with a pinch of salt. I don't trust myself to be objective about it so I'm comparmentalising to a pathological degree. Yeah, okay. Read this a couple times and it doesn’t feel forced. Yep, he is town. It's getting tough for mafia at this rate.
Too many townies :D
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Sorry can you explain the trap for you?
Math I remember making one terrible terrible bad post very early on, but otherwise haven't paid much attention. The one that Vivax thought was a bussing.
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On September 01 2023 18:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2023 18:32 iamperfection wrote:
Marv if you would like to join me on an exercise if you read maths first like 6 or 7 posts in the game what do you think operating with ls and koshi scum. You think he’s choosing to directly interact with his 2 scumbuddies
Yes
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On September 01 2023 19:24 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2023 19:08 DarthPunk wrote:On September 01 2023 18:40 marvellosity wrote:On September 01 2023 18:11 TankTopTiger wrote:
Oh so it's the DP thing. I guess you're the one I've entrusted with him so I'll give you a splurge.
It's a lot of personal stuff that isn't really verifiable and tbh I'd have to go back and reread the initial incident to give exact details anyway. The main thing when he was drilling me was the complete lack of hesitation. In Endurance II I was town and he wanted to lynch me but was tearing himself apart over it so bad I felt like scum. I didn't really have any reads beyond CC iirc (I don't remember the exact point), and he felt that it was unlike me not to have contributed much (same tune as this game). But he was so anxious about being the person that led a mislynch he couldn't do it. He also did similar things to other players, not just me. He was a mess, and I leaned into it as town to survive, much like I eventually did this game. But this game, it was more forced because I put him in an awkward position when I flipped because then all the personal shit I said, the references to personal conversations etc., they came from a confirmed town. So to me, him eventually giving me some charity was something I had to twist his arm to do if he wanted to not be shot to shit after I went down.
One example of a conversation he conveniently forgot in order to suspect me, was one where I had corrected his misremembering of Endurance II. He thought that I'd been pretty solid the whole way through, but in fact, I was almost dying the entire time and only survived one lynch because someone (I believe Slam) forgot to vote. DP acknowledged he'd misremembered it, but then completely erased this from his memory in order to bludgeon me with "you should have contributed by now". So both DMB and DP feel I should do better because of E1, and sort of ignored E2, but DP should know better because I know I've already told him.
More recently, when he described how I set myself parameters, this felt placatory, like I was being Forer'd. I do happen to agree somewhat with the assessment overall, but it wasn't specific enough and didn't really feel like it was an alignment indicative read. He said as scum I'd sacrifice win percent in order to win the way I want. This is true, but I do that as town too. Hell rn I'm not filter diving and I'm flaming idiots. These parametres arose as town organically as a way to keep myself posting. But I go into every game with some idea of how I want to play before I read my role.
So he felt too eager to lynch me early, and too eager to forgive me later. I expect myself to be pretty biased given I was attacked by someone I feel should have every reason not to (team straya has done real well for ourselves these last two games by finding a way to verify and trust each other), so take it with a pinch of salt. I don't trust myself to be objective about it so I'm comparmentalising to a pathological degree. Yeah, okay. Read this a couple times and it doesn’t feel forced. Yep, he is town. It's getting tough for mafia at this rate. Too many townies :D
Agree. But I don’t want to get self congratulatory too early either…
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