Quarterly Mafia 1 - part 2 - Page 95

On September 01 2023 17:11 DarthPunk wrote:
I wonder if the scum team is actually koshi-ls-math and their morale is at zero cause they just got giga-stomped

On September 01 2023 15:02 TankTopTiger wrote:
Hey. I'm on laptop using wifi I won't have for long so I'm chipping in quickly. I read while working and have been thinking about it a while but don't have any quotes in front of me.

DP you have a pass but I'm not actually reading you either way. We're syncing up well on reads but your energy is weird.

I would like to lynch JSL. His vibe has been off a while but now I think I've got a more solid read.

Firstly, he's just wrong. DMB was a fine NK. There was a decent chance she was blue, and despite her difficulty in establishing thread presence, and her inactivity, she accelerates from zero real hard out of nowhere and has shown in Endurance II that she's very insightful when given time to cook. I think she has difficulty reading specifically me, but that's no biggie because my play has been high variance between games.

Secondly and building off that, Jacob is never wrong. Never wrong wrong anyway. Jacob always always always hedges every bet to the extent he's got every base covered. When you add up all of the things he says they're supposed to add up to nothing by design. He's never very right but he's never wrong. He's so open-minded one must assume ample gyri or his brain would slip out his ear. For him to be judgemental about the DMB NK doesn't make sense because Jacob is just too chill for that.

Jacob tell me you're not too chill for that?

But this sort of thing does make sense to me for a jacob who just took a shot at DMB being blue, thinking it'll look stupid if he's wrong and then finding that to be the case. I don't really see why else he would end up talking about it because he's too nice by default to just randomly start sledging. At his core Jacob desparately wants everyone to get along. It's not like him to shit on DMB and the scum team simultaneously unless he feels pressured toward that sort of behaviour.

On September 01 2023 17:27 TankTopTiger wrote:
Re: Koshi

I'm more confident of my read on JSL and would prefer them to be lynched first, but Koshi would be next. I just feel like JSL doesn't require filtering, whereas I haven't really followed the case on Koshi and am mostly going off of the shift in tone from early to later (he was annoyingly chipper early on, but that has well and truly been stomped out of him), the desperate tone of his case on DP, along with the lack of substance I felt from said case given he pushed it out in five parts. It felt like he wanted to be able to say he'd written a five-part case, but the case didn't warrant that magnitude and by the end I was kind of confused why he wrote it in the first place.

So I want JSL over Koshi, I'm a lot more involved with it, but so long as they both go down I don't mind.

On September 01 2023 17:27 TankTopTiger wrote:
Re: Koshi

I'm more confident of my read on JSL and would prefer them to be lynched first, but Koshi would be next. I just feel like JSL doesn't require filtering, whereas I haven't really followed the case on Koshi and am mostly going off of the shift in tone from early to later (he was annoyingly chipper early on, but that has well and truly been stomped out of him), the desperate tone of his case on DP, along with the lack of substance I felt from said case given he pushed it out in five parts. It felt like he wanted to be able to say he'd written a five-part case, but the case didn't warrant that magnitude and by the end I was kind of confused why he wrote it in the first place.

So I want JSL over Koshi, I'm a lot more involved with it, but so long as they both go down I don't mind.

On September 01 2023 17:33 TankTopTiger wrote:
I'm okay with Koshi lynch, I don't know them so I don't know how to interpret that action and trust you guys more.

From my limited perspective, he came in with a gimmick of wanting to hurrycurry to give himself more meta range. That doesn't work if he does it as red. But if you guys agree with each other it's more than that I'm down.

On September 01 2023 17:35 TankTopTiger wrote:
What do you think about my points on JSL?

It's very weird right?

On September 01 2023 17:28 TankTopTiger wrote:
Is there anything in particular you want to know Marv? I'm not sure what you're looking for and don't want to just regurgitate it.

On September 01 2023 11:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:


No it's a very dumb shot. You would have to be stupid to shoot dmb as mafia here completely brain dead.

On September 01 2023 17:49 TankTopTiger wrote:
I'm not pushing you because I know there's no point and our views *have* converged somewhat so don't worry about it. I just didn't like you claiming I'd read you green when that wasn't my point at all. A big reason I was so tilted was it felt like everyone was taking a very post-modern approach to truth. So I'm not attacking you, I'm just correcting you.

My giving you a pass is one part knowing I'm tilted as shit, and two parts knowing I couldn't lynch you if I wanted to. I'm not confirming you town and you shouldn't claim otherwise. But of all the people we could lynch, you're pretty far down my list anyway because I feel good about Jacob and Koshi and there are two AFKs that probably need to pipe up too before I tunnel one of the two town leaders.

On September 01 2023 17:10 marvellosity wrote:
Jakey why are feeling burnt out?

On September 01 2023 17:51 marvellosity wrote:

I agree with TTT in that this is an out of character post given the rest of his posting

On September 01 2023 17:09 TankTopTiger wrote:
And Jakey no your style is to post quickly and without inhibition. You wouldn't post the way you do as town if you thought you couldn't replicate it as red. This is full BS.

On September 01 2023 17:27 TankTopTiger wrote:
Re: Koshi

I'm more confident of my read on JSL and would prefer them to be lynched first, but Koshi would be next. I just feel like JSL doesn't require filtering, whereas I haven't really followed the case on Koshi and am mostly going off of the shift in tone from early to later (he was annoyingly chipper early on, but that has well and truly been stomped out of him), the desperate tone of his case on DP, along with the lack of substance I felt from said case given he pushed it out in five parts. It felt like he wanted to be able to say he'd written a five-part case, but the case didn't warrant that magnitude and by the end I was kind of confused why he wrote it in the first place.

So I want JSL over Koshi, I'm a lot more involved with it, but so long as they both go down I don't mind.

On September 01 2023 18:11 TankTopTiger wrote:
Oh so it's the DP thing. I guess you're the one I've entrusted with him so I'll give you a splurge.

It's a lot of personal stuff that isn't really verifiable and tbh I'd have to go back and reread the initial incident to give exact details anyway. The main thing when he was drilling me was the complete lack of hesitation. In Endurance II I was town and he wanted to lynch me but was tearing himself apart over it so bad I felt like scum. I didn't really have any reads beyond CC iirc (I don't remember the exact point), and he felt that it was unlike me not to have contributed much (same tune as this game). But he was so anxious about being the person that led a mislynch he couldn't do it. He also did similar things to other players, not just me. He was a mess, and I leaned into it as town to survive, much like I eventually did this game. But this game, it was more forced because I put him in an awkward position when I flipped because then all the personal shit I said, the references to personal conversations etc., they came from a confirmed town. So to me, him eventually giving me some charity was something I had to twist his arm to do if he wanted to not be shot to shit after I went down.

One example of a conversation he conveniently forgot in order to suspect me, was one where I had corrected his misremembering of Endurance II. He thought that I'd been pretty solid the whole way through, but in fact, I was almost dying the entire time and only survived one lynch because someone (I believe Slam) forgot to vote. DP acknowledged he'd misremembered it, but then completely erased this from his memory in order to bludgeon me with "you should have contributed by now". So both DMB and DP feel I should do better because of E1, and sort of ignored E2, but DP should know better because I know I've already told him.

More recently, when he described how I set myself parameters, this felt placatory, like I was being Forer'd. I do happen to agree somewhat with the assessment overall, but it wasn't specific enough and didn't really feel like it was an alignment indicative read. He said as scum I'd sacrifice win percent in order to win the way I want. This is true, but I do that as town too. Hell rn I'm not filter diving and I'm flaming idiots. These parametres arose as town organically as a way to keep myself posting. But I go into every game with some idea of how I want to play before I read my role.

So he felt too eager to lynch me early, and too eager to forgive me later. I expect myself to be pretty biased given I was attacked by someone I feel should have every reason not to (team straya has done real well for ourselves these last two games by finding a way to verify and trust each other), so take it with a pinch of salt. I don't trust myself to be objective about it so I'm comparmentalising to a pathological degree.