My biggest reservation about Math is that he should have conceded if he was giving up, rather than fucking us all around. I don't think scum Math drops off the face of the earth and doesn't concede. At the same time, I think that's a toxic precedent to set whereby scummers can just disappear and have all heat dropped because "they should have conceded".

His approach to the game seemed 'honest', I don't really expect him to pretend to not have time.

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

September 05 2023 08:54 GMT

#2159

Jacob where did this switch on me come from? While I was swinging at you it felt like you were giving me rave reviews now you're acting like I'm your prime suspect?

It feels almost like you thought I was town until you thought you could lynch me when Vivax turned up?

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

September 05 2023 09:12 GMT

#2161

I don't think I've seen Jacob play as mafia, but my assumption would be that, like you and I, Jacob would try to play in a way that he thinks he can perform as either alignment. So I project from this assumption that Jacob himself thinks he could. Whether he actually can or not is a different matter, but out of all the high post-count styles, his, where he deliberately undermines his own conclusions constantly, is probably the easiest to duplicate as mafia. He never really has to stick by anything. If he fucks up, he can just say he wasn't thinking as town.

IMO it's less about the number of words, and more about the number of assertions with clear convictions.

Jacob, you said you don't enjoy playing as mafia the way you used to. If you used to enjoy it, surely you could shit out a ton of words while doing it?

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

September 05 2023 09:46 GMT

#2163

That did occur to me, but I think it's fair to assume you have an idea about it without testing.

When I was a kid I enjoyed jumping off rooftops. I don't have to go and try it out to know I wouldn't now.

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

September 05 2023 13:27 GMT

#2187

Errr... I don't know Marv but if I was in ScuMarv's position I would have bussed both those guys so fast sorry not sorry.

LS is extremely bussable (he seems to be developing a playstyle of dying and taking people with him). Koshi pushed the gun into his own damn mouth and forced town to pull the trigger. This isn't some 5D scum play it's the deterministic state of the game pushed into motion by forces beyond our remaining scummer's control.

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

September 05 2023 14:10 GMT

#2192

On September 05 2023 22:31 Vivax wrote:

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So they should be extremely frustrated about their team at least short-term after Koshi lim.
Which if I had to guess you and mathe would fit the bill the most for that for the sheer effort to bring up motivation to play and not have a certain passive aggressiveness seep through while playing.

mathe + TTT would be the most straightforward guess unless someone beside them is being superscum pokerface.

So I'm scum for summoning the effort to play and Math is scum for not doing so? Wow.

Wait are you saying I've been passive-aggressive or that I haven't been?

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

September 05 2023 22:41 GMT

#2205

I've got a bigger range than you and DMB have put me on Viv. After the game I'd like you both to reconsider. The reads on me have been pretty bad and tiring from most.

- Being less productive is sign of scum, except I was last game as town.
- Being disengaged but coming back is sign of scum, except Math is scum for not coming back.
- Being abrasive makes me scum, except I'm always abrasive.
- Yeah but the abrasiveness isn't productive. Yeah no shit I'm not that engaged so this is just point 1 and the abrasiveness is irrelevant.
- Backing off Jakey is scummy because it means I'm scared except there's no reason for me to be scared.

I just looked back on my old games from back in the day. I was lynched as town at a phenomenal rate. The furthest I made it IIRC was D2 as town, and I only made it that far once in five games as town. These more recent games I've been under heavy fire a lot and it's only DP's protection that saved me. So all this stuff about my tell being whether or not I've been productive is actually bullshit, because I've been productive in exactly one game ever and in that one I was airdropped into D2.

Sorry a bit ranty and unproductively defensive (again, I don't have any reason to feel pressured rn) but I plan on quoting this post from now on because I'm just tired of the stale and shallow reads. The general population has empirically zero clue on how to read me and wants to lynch me by default. Immediate gut reads on me don't work as shown again and again.

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

September 06 2023 08:12 GMT

#2278

Yeah DP I'm splurging town because if I continue playing I need to transition my meta to something more sustainable. This thing where I live and die by whether you vet me feels bad so I need everyone else to catch up a little bit and I plan on stopping allowing you to read me so clearly - after this game.

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

September 06 2023 08:21 GMT

#2282

MMMMMaybe tomorrow or even the next day??? I'm not really sure why DP is asking for list posts during nightphase but it seems like a bad idea to me. In fact, I'm feeling a need to be tight-lipped in general.

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

September 06 2023 08:27 GMT

#2289

Yeah Marv you too, but you come in late game after DP's vetted. You can see how it's a problem for me if I roll mafia and the only two people willing to not lynch me by default are the best readers who I don't want to keep around?

Also I genuinely hate the hierarchy in this game and yet somehow my playstyle has become 100% reliant on it. How is the proletariat supposed to rise up if it's funded entirely by the ultra-capitalist class?

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

September 06 2023 08:43 GMT

#2294

Also also now I remember fuck you Jacob you twisted the shit out of my words. I wasn't complaining about being lynched I was complaining about lazy town reads that amount to "but one time you acted differently at a different point in the game under different circumstances".

I haven't been lynched in years :^)

But after this game I'm done hiding behind DP, which means town need to start doing better than auto-lynching someone who they have literally never been correct to meaningfully suspect.

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

September 06 2023 08:59 GMT

#2295

Also nope DP not happening you can take it up with me in lylo if we still here. My current reads are as already stated. I'm a simple man.

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

September 06 2023 10:55 GMT

#2299

Yes if I agree with it