EPTRe: DP
I'm not really into getting grilled by you when I don't feel you're good faith. The person I felt was reddest just flipped green, and I'm not allowed to say you're red, so like... kinda hard to answer anyway...
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TankTopTiger
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Re: DP I'm not really into getting grilled by you when I don't feel you're good faith. The person I felt was reddest just flipped green, and I'm not allowed to say you're red, so like... kinda hard to answer anyway... | ||
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On August 28 2023 12:18 DarthPunk wrote: This is me hoping you are town ttt btw. I’m not going to push you for this whole night. I hope I can see something redeeming in how you approach the game with that space. sorry missed this I'm glad you're giving me space to breathe, thanks because I need it. But you know that this stuff was a read and not just me trying to OMGUS you right? As in, you extending olive branches after me calling you out for it, does not change the value of the read at the time. I have multiple good reasons to believe you were in confirmation mode when you have been the most hesitant player the last two games. A town DP gets stunlocked by the possibilities because he genuinely doesn't want to lynch town. What you did was discard reality (not just possibilities) in service to the lynch you thought was possible when DMB and Vivax presented you the opportunity. Your explanations were also weak. No take backsies. I'm gonna leave you alone for a while too though I will be filtering you at some point (among others who I'm behind on). | ||
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On August 28 2023 12:30 iamperfection wrote: why arn't you allowed to say he's red lol He asked me to assume that he's green, and if so, who's mafia. So basically I was in a position where if you asked this two hours ago if I had any reads I would be able to confidently say two names, but due to the timing and the specifics of the question I couldn't honestly give any reads that are fresh and I genuinely want to discuss. | ||
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I'm taking some time off the game. I asked to be replaced but that's hella unlikely to happen. This game feels like a chore to me where I'm getting blasted every time I try to engage with it. I understand why, but that doesn't help me want to play. I feel bad about this, but I think it's better than the alternative where I either pretend to be engaged or end up fighting people over stupid shit. gl | ||
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I think LS is town. don't understand or agree with his reasons for reading me green. But that thing where he brought heat down on himself unnecessarily didn't feel like something he would do as red. I think lynching him is another mistake. By vibe, I think Lamp is town, I just really really don't like his blustery playstyle and would prefer to eat razorblades than read his filter. I think he's bad town, but I think he's town. Trying to shut down conversation at the lynch of D1 in order to lynch Chez for no real stated reason makes me very dismissive of his approach to the game. I don't like Marv but haven't gone through filter, I'll go into reasons why when I'm back (I'm waiting on a pick-up that's already half-hour late). His misinterpretation of my post, then insistence that DP has it wrong is just wild considering he uses the exact same argument I made in his own defense, but insists after filter diving me twice that the interpretation where I'm scared of dying with only one vote on me while Chez has all of them is the better call. Delusional if town. I still don't like DP, but understand that basically my entire read on him relies on meta from outside the game and positionally I can never really hope to lynch him. If he denies what I've said regarding his selective forgetting of our RL conversations, he confirms to me that he's scum, but ultimately until I'm dead and confirmed town nobody will ever take it seriously because it's non-verifiable. | ||
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I said I'd go through reasons when I'm back but then stated the reason. I don't have more reasons in mind rn. gtg. | ||
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On August 30 2023 17:45 marvellosity wrote: I really don’t understand why anyone is suddenly sure TTT is town. Someone explain to me like I’m a toddler please. I don't think that's the case? I certainly don't feel trusted. LS aside who's sure I'm town? | ||
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I understand and agree somewhat, but don't feel it's enough to confirm him town. | ||
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I might have time to reconsider tomorrow morning before work, but prob not. | ||
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"We're not letting him get away with this, right guys?". I think that read by DP was too confident, and I'm not sure, but either DP didn't provide much reasoning for his Math crusade, or I didn't notice it as I read through. It seemed to me like DP's reasoning was weak (especially for DP, who's scum-hunting I respect), and he was more relying on other people filling in his blanks. But I've only read through the one time, so feel free to correct. That all said, I don't like Math's absence. Unless I missed their departure, they seemed to go from 100 to 0 by flicking a switch. I didn't feel he was under that much pressure, so it's probably just RL circumstance, but that's the biggest reason I don't like him. I'm not 100% confident on LS. I don't like his read on me, but I know he can be authentically arbitrary. I do think that it's weird how many votes are on him, especially since our mislynches (counting VE cos he was next) were all inactive or unproductive. Feels like scum aren't ambitious with their mislynches, just going for what's safe. And LS is lynchbait as town every time. The biggest reason I would vote LS is because of the comment Marv pointed out regarding a forced interaction but not being able to determine the direction of the force (it's a vector bro!). But this literally happened in Endurance II in a worse way and he was town. That aside, it feels exactly like D1, where I said the lynch felt like lazy LAL and Marv or Rayn or someone was up in arms over my TMI. Mmmm but now I go to change my vote to Math to save LS and I have reservations... If LS is red, I think scum don't take action to protect him. His life expectancy is limited to as soon as town feel lost, so they wouldn't expect him to be around in the end game. So if town have "caught" him rn, I fully expect there to be at least one scum on him. Before I go, Koshi's case on DP felt a bit empty. I only gave it a once over, but it felt like he was trying too hard to make the case fit. I haven't really paid much attention to Koshi all game, but this specifically didn't feel right to me. | ||
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New delusion just dropped... that town is winning... The score is actually six town down for one mafia assuming I'm lynched D3. I'm not going to try and convince anyone not to lynch me because I don't really want to be here and I don't see myself as very important to town given the amount of effort I'm willing to put in, but at the very least don't spend this time patting each other on the back for solving the game because I'm telling you now you're wrong. So IMO, lynch me, but don't play under the assumption I'm red with self-congratulatory connecto cases. When I flip, if I'm red, you can make all the connecto-cases you want. | ||
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Assuming Lamp is town, which was my default assumption before the public masturbation, town has mislynched Chez (which he celebrated), misvigged VE (which he celebrated), and correctly lynched the biggest lynchbait in TL history (which he seems to think guarantees town victory). Nothing that has been done was challenging or insightful. We just killed low contributors and got 1/3 (soon to be 1/4), and that one we did get was basically guaranteed to go down the moment town didn't have strong direction. I'm bent over backwards trying to understand his enthusiasm unless he's actually done something cool which would be trading in red vig for town status (in which case, yeah that's pretty cool). I'm not even really trying to convince anyone because I don't think I get to catch mastermind plays with so little effort, I just can't get past this nonsense it's like an attention trap. Someone tell me why I'm wrong please for the love of god. Are there setups with both red and green vig? | ||
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Marv why are you so confident in DP town? Seeing you two get along feels gutterally wrong. Your egos coexist in too small a space for there to be this little friction. How can anybody feel comfortable with this? | ||
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If I were medic, I'd flip a coin between Marv and DP. IMO Lamp is a bad save despite his insistence. Him trying to suck up the medic action is either pure mafioso or pure self-involvement (probably the latter judging from everyone's non-reaction to him). IMO, town is winning assuming DP and Marv are town. I think if they're both mafia, town is too boot-licker or too disengaged to take either down with the other one backing them up. And if one of them is mafia, I don't think the other one allows themselves to be pocketed (or if they do, I'm blaming the game loss squarely on them  PPP). If Rayne were around this math wouldn't work but his gameplan seems to be to get NKed every game lmao. So I think the only course is to assume (and hope) they are both town and move on from there. If this is the case, having them both this late into the game would be a big win. Last night I was trying to reduce the chance of their NK (I do think they're acting odd together, but not enough to base my whole worldview on it). This morning, I reconsidered this line because I don't think mafia care too much who I suspect given my small influence and disengagement. So I think we make it so that mafia can't confidently kill off these two players without risking their entire NK action. | ||
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I don't think you realise how dependent on try-hards the town economy is. | ||
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DP you have a pass but I'm not actually reading you either way. We're syncing up well on reads but your energy is weird. I would like to lynch JSL. His vibe has been off a while but now I think I've got a more solid read. Firstly, he's just wrong. DMB was a fine NK. There was a decent chance she was blue, and despite her difficulty in establishing thread presence, and her inactivity, she accelerates from zero real hard out of nowhere and has shown in Endurance II that she's very insightful when given time to cook. I think she has difficulty reading specifically me, but that's no biggie because my play has been high variance between games. Secondly and building off that, Jacob is never wrong. Never wrong wrong anyway. Jacob always always always hedges every bet to the extent he's got every base covered. When you add up all of the things he says they're supposed to add up to nothing by design. He's never very right but he's never wrong. He's so open-minded one must assume ample gyri or his brain would slip out his ear. For him to be judgemental about the DMB NK doesn't make sense because Jacob is just too chill for that. Jacob tell me you're not too chill for that? But this sort of thing does make sense to me for a jacob who just took a shot at DMB being blue, thinking it'll look stupid if he's wrong and then finding that to be the case. I don't really see why else he would end up talking about it because he's too nice by default to just randomly start sledging. At his core Jacob desparately wants everyone to get along. It's not like him to shit on DMB and the scum team simultaneously unless he feels pressured toward that sort of behaviour. | ||
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Lamp, I've been really upfront about my lack of contribution. I haven't pretended at all. I told everyone I'm not trying hard, I'm not F5ing, I'm not filtering. Nothing about my tone suggests I think I'm particularly useful. There is no pretending here. You are the one pretending, and that's been my issue with you the entire time. I just tried to get you NKed and even though you're "confirmed town" they thought NKing the AFK was a better use of their time. Despite you awarding yourself PotG, it doesn't seem like maf are too worried about you lol? "No pleeeasse medic me for having vigged a lurker N1 I'm super important" lmao | ||
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My bullying Lamp is recreational only. I don't think he's scum because I'm the only one reacting to it which means this is how people expect him to be. I just think it makes the game worse when on top of having to sift through the lies of the red team we have to sift through the self-promoting delusion of the green. When I was tossing up about whether to get modkilled, I asked myself what allowances I would make in order to actually play. One of those allowances was that I would stop self-regulating my responses to dumb shit (I actually think in this case it was making me play worse, when normally it's good to keep town on track). TBH, I was expecting to be having a go at more people (Marv, Koshi, Rayne if he'd still been alive) but they simmered down. | ||
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