TL Endures Mafia II

On June 10 2023 12:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
First things first, when I type TL.net into my browser it takes me to marv's filter from last game which is indicative of how many times I read him trying to figure things out lol.

Second, I'm a bottle of wine deep for personal reasons so apologies for any misspellings or other grammatical issues.

Finally, let's get to LS


Ok fine, it's early, not gonna hate you for nothing catching your eye


I'm going to do my best not to sound super sarcastic when I right this but come on, it's chez "I hope he answers so we figure out what it means?" Like what does it mean to you dude? Why highlight this? It's chez who the fuck knows what it means? This post serves no purpose

I should pause here and explain how I think, I write these posts knowing what my gut says based on what I've read previously in the thread but I don't go in with a conclusion in mind. If LS brings attention to Chez again and continues this line of inquiry I will stop finding this post suspicious.



We were all in the OBS chat, it's literally the same people, we can all confirm that. Another useless post.



"Darth at least is the same alignment as me this time around I think through reading his filter"


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I hate these two posts. It's funny how he talks about shitting up the thread yet his own posts aren't actually helping to unwind the thread except for +1ing rayn.

The next few posts, while ironically similar to stuff I've said regarding my IRL activity, are part of what's feeding into my impression that LS is attempting to generate activity to avoid some of the scumtells he fell victim to last game:

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IDK LS, what do you think? I personally only say that people are looking bad when they're looking scummy to me. Earlier you said Darth was the same alignment as you, so are you going to defend him?

OK so now I've entered the game this AM and we're getting to the posts that really caught my attention when I was catching up this afternoon:

What in the actual fuck does this mean? Why do you think it was forced? Do you think both Darth and Copcake are scum? What posts do you felt were forced? What does this serve to do other than fish for suspicions?


This post feels like opportunistic scum looking for suspicions to feed on, if it's NAI why bring up this stuff in the first place other than to sow doubt and distrust among the town? I hate when people say that something feels off and then can't elaborate why. Like at least quote a post of one of Cop/Darth and say "I didn't like that." Tone reads are fine, honestly just meta/vibes are fine. But at least put yourself on record and quote a post or two that made you uncomfortable/suspicious. Otherwise this is just trash that clutters the thread.


There's more wine in front of this post than there is wine in my glass, and hint hint, there's a lot of wine in my glass. Tbh this post was the first one where I thought "he knows he didn't play scum well last game, what if he's deliberately trying a more active style this game to avoid attention."


Why tf would anyone chime in when you haven't told them what's making you feel that way? The continued unfounded accusations and unsubstantiated suspicions are not working for me.

Page 25 is worth a reread for everyone, in particular look at the LS/Cop/Rayn posts. Rayn reads what's being posted and immediately comes to the conclusion that an LS lynch is a good idea. For those who don't want to click the link, I'll summarize. LS gets pushed on his comment about the Darth/Cop interaction Rayn/Cop get LS to say the thinks that there's scum between Cop/Darth. After some more pushing, LS says that:

Darth really made something out of nothing for no reason?

This was your townread bro, the one you said was the same alignment as you. And after rayn and copcake pushed you about the Cop/Darth being townVmafia you flip and say Darth is now possibly scum?

I'm just trying to work through this and here's where I keep coming back to the conclusion that LS is scum. He's got Darth as a townread. He says there's something off with DarthVCop. When pushed he says that it feels like TownVMafia (even though he initially said the interaction felt forced which is usually what people say when they're analyzing a MafiaVMafia interation). Once he says he feels one of them could be scum, he gets pushed on which one and he says it's Darth.... his previous townread.

I'll give LS a point, Rayn did ask him to choose and then acted surprised when LS said he was "forced to choose" but at the same time it doesn't really matter because he still chose someone he was townreading previously without any real progression.

Here's more status updates:






I could be tunneled again, it happens. But the random suspicions, flip flopping of reads, and the apologetic town/updates ... it just feels to me that LS rolled scum again and is trying not to get caught so quickly this time. I am open to all questions.

On June 12 2023 12:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
A bit disorganised at this point, reading through all the posts since #30 atm, I'm up to #53 so I'm biased towards happenings within that frame.

I just spent a lot of time inside my head on you DP. Real spooky. I thought that a red DP would see the difference between DMB last game and this game, and know it meant blue. Then they could lead the mislynch, but have meta from previous game on leading mislynches. Bonus points for backing away from it at the last minute by reading them green (ad lib). But it was Rayn that pointed you in that direction, so that play doesn't work out unless redDP is very fortunate and just had this play fall into his lap (I don't think Rayn's suggestion was red at all). There were some other things. Your reactions have felt artificial twice to me - one was in response to CC, can't remember the other. You being onboard with policy feels irrational but I'm not actually sure on your position on that and WW may have softened you up.
But overall it's too much reach, so I'm back to treating you as green based on the overall pro-townliness of your play. Your read on me is exactly what I would expect and I can't argue against it. I'm not as engaged in poor information environments.

Rayn is green.

LS is weird because I think he decided at the start of the game that he was going to play differently and so my main reason for giving him the benefit of the doubt feels artificial. Someone said at some point that he feels very in the moment and I agree with that. He also seems to come across as artificial whenever he thinks he should be providing an anger response (congruent with autism claim). So I sort of just want to leave him and see where he takes it for now.

I still see CC as red. I don't really want to engage with her because she counter-tunnels and shits up the thread leaving everyone confused. I don't think there's anything she could say that would change my mind, but she also hasn't really done anything since that alleviates or intensifies my suspicion. The read is stale but it's still my firmest read.

Overall, I think town have been eating town a lot, but also in many directions. This sort of environment is something I wanted at the start of the game (not the TvT thing, but the diversity of opinions thing as opposed to last game which felt sychophantic to me from many). This pushes me in the direction of thinking that mafia are more passive, so toward Vayo, Marv, and Slam.