EPTRayn, curious to hear your thoughts on both (and LS, since you clearly disagree with me). I'll note that I think TTT has effectively set up CC and LS as back to back lynches in his filter, similar to what you are saying about LS.
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Rayn, curious to hear your thoughts on both (and LS, since you clearly disagree with me). I'll note that I think TTT has effectively set up CC and LS as back to back lynches in his filter, similar to what you are saying about LS. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Others i can't either tell about but don't wanna lynch either (marv, possibly Vayoletta), or there are thing i definitely do not like about. Vivax was blue last game and this game he is definitely not blue, and doesn't really look scummy at all, yet Chezinu placed his vote on Vivax when that was already clear. There's simply no reason to believe Chezinu would have "blue/red sickness", the vote was just incredibly out of place. I have no clue what to think about MZ, i kind of agree with Hapa on the things on MZ, but i am HORRIBLE at figuring out MZ apparently. DMB seems more self-aware than last game. Probably some of it comes with learning, sure, but like from a person whos cases were "these two people are 100000% mafia because they posted at the same time" and after that "these two people orchestrated the lynch D1" (when me and VE were pushing COMPLETELY different things all D1), i find it very hard to imagine town!DMB would actually be able to keep her head this straight in this game. Unless ofc, she is mafia and needs to actually just consider what to post to not get lynched aka what looks good, not what she actually thinks and how she's running the things in her head. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On June 11 2023 06:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: I really really don't like either of the choices for lynch right now. I am completely aware i can be wrong on LS, i just find it extremely mafiaish to group two people where "one is mafia but i can't tell which" and then do nothing for the rest of the day. Because if the two people are town, LS has just set him up for D1 AND D2 pass with a very shitty reasoning (as pretty much noone seems to think he is mafia). Also in case i am right and both DP and Cake are town he is just basically +1 mafia if he is town, since he is only accusing townies and refuses to do anything else. I don’t have a slam dunk town read on him, if I didn’t just see his mafia play in the previous game I would be 100% on board to lynch him. Do you not think he is just really bad? I’m not sure cause I haven’t really played with him that much, but this game his engagement is significantly higher even if he is scummy as fuck, makes me lean towards the bad basket. That and I put significant pressure on him earlier and he didn’t fold. I think that’s a point in his favour. I don’t agree with most of the reasons for ppl town reading him, and I could see a world in which he just levels up his scum game after the poor showing last time around. (By basically playing the same scummy way but increasing activity) Can you explain like I’m five why cop is town so I can move on? Cause the emotion argument is something I place very little emphasis on in general. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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DarthPunk
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On June 11 2023 06:40 Hapahauli wrote: I think all and all, I'm still on MZ and TTT as our best lynches for today. Rayn, curious to hear your thoughts on both (and LS, since you clearly disagree with me). I'll note that I think TTT has effectively set up CC and LS as back to back lynches in his filter, similar to what you are saying about LS. Meh Hapa, I appreciate you trying to save me and all but you landed like a plane with no wings on this one. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On June 11 2023 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk about TTT, probably would not want to lynch him here, i think he had VERY townie looking early game, at least for me it looks like that. I'd have to read his filter again. Agree, I don’t think he is the lynch for today. He will be too easy to read later. And he has a set standard for contribution that will be difficult to maintain if mafia. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On June 11 2023 06:44 DarthPunk wrote: Can you explain like I’m five why cop is town so I can move on? Cause the emotion argument is something I place very little emphasis on in general. I don't see any problems with her train of thought especially in the argument with you. Sure probably not all the things are right but i believe she genuinely believes in what she says. Your case is mostly about her having a strong town read on me. I don't necessarily think it's impossible for her to have a town read on me, and the town read doesn't even need to be strong to question you on the things she did (which started from like the same thing i started questioning you). Hell i would have done the same i did if you asked your question towards anyone but me, even if i didn't have a town read on them. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On June 11 2023 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk about TTT, probably would not want to lynch him here, i think he had VERY townie looking early game, at least for me it looks like that. I'd have to read his filter again. I agree with you, and frankly I typed out several posts on TTT with very differing conclusions (only to delete them). My general sense of his filter is that he: 1) asks questions that go nowhere; 2) has fixated almost entirely on the "suspicions du jour" of the thread 3) has a town read on DP that he presents as developed but has not been at all 3.5) oddly enough, has this potential TMI slip with Vivax: On June 09 2023 20:21 TankTopTiger wrote: Vivax Last game you were lynched D1 as doctor. Is there anything you plan to do to not get D1L this game? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On June 11 2023 06:46 DarthPunk wrote: Meh Hapa, I appreciate you trying to save me and all but you landed like a plane with no wings on this one. Work with me here will ya? Happy to discuss CopCake all you want as long as I can convince ya to look at some different people. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On June 11 2023 06:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Other than DP and Cake, my townreads are basically Slam, Hapa, and Vivax. Others i can't either tell about but don't wanna lynch either (marv, possibly Vayoletta), or there are thing i definitely do not like about. Vivax was blue last game and this game he is definitely not blue, and doesn't really look scummy at all, yet Chezinu placed his vote on Vivax when that was already clear. There's simply no reason to believe Chezinu would have "blue/red sickness", the vote was just incredibly out of place. I have no clue what to think about MZ, i kind of agree with Hapa on the things on MZ, but i am HORRIBLE at figuring out MZ apparently. DMB seems more self-aware than last game. Probably some of it comes with learning, sure, but like from a person whos cases were "these two people are 100000% mafia because they posted at the same time" and after that "these two people orchestrated the lynch D1" (when me and VE were pushing COMPLETELY different things all D1), i find it very hard to imagine town!DMB would actually be able to keep her head this straight in this game. Unless ofc, she is mafia and needs to actually just consider what to post to not get lynched aka what looks good, not what she actually thinks and how she's running the things in her head. Dmb still has some of the crazy. She has a weird associative case with me and ls. Which I both hate (cause bad) and like because it reassures me that some of the natural paranoia is leaking through. I think dmb is town she is playing very closely to her style at the latter part of last game. Although her vote on me sucks. I also identified last game that she tends to scum read and vote for aggressors and town read defenders. What I mean by this is that she thinks cop is a victim and is scumreading me for attacking her. She was definitely doing that kind of thing over and over last game. Yeah dmb firm town. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On June 11 2023 06:51 Hapahauli wrote: Work with me here will ya? Happy to discuss CopCake all you want as long as I can convince ya to look at some different people. I’m posting bro. What do you want? This game is fucking hard right now. Cause the ppl who look the worst to me. LS and Copcake are being town read all over the place. | ||
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Vivax
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On June 10 2023 21:43 Hapahauli wrote: Kids these days. This post is bomb btw Impressive | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On June 11 2023 06:51 Hapahauli wrote: Work with me here will ya? Happy to discuss CopCake all you want as long as I can convince ya to look at some different people. Do you think MZ was lying about being a bottle of wine deep and having personal issues? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On June 11 2023 06:55 DarthPunk wrote: I’m posting bro. What do you want? This game is fucking hard right now. Cause the ppl who look the worst to me. LS and Copcake are being town read all over the place. Well help me understand, because to the extent that you have suspicions, they really don't make sense to me based on what you've already posted. Can you just give me a quick, 1 paragraph summary on why you think either (or both) of them are the top of your list? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On June 11 2023 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't really get how TTT reads Cake mafia, because whenever he talks about his read with me it looks like he doesn't konw what to think of her alignment. I think he is pretty clear in this post: On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote: Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe. Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in. ... I just have difficulty understanding how he reached that conclusion. | ||
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Chezinu
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On June 11 2023 06:58 Hapahauli wrote: I think he is pretty clear in this post: ... I just have difficulty understanding how he reached that conclusion. Yes that's what i talking about. He asks me if me and Cake know each other, i tell yes, he says "oh i see how she can have a town read on you". same thing happens at least three times. | ||
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