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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
June 10 2023 17:54 GMT
#761
On June 10 2023 12:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok LS untunnel me.


bro
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
June 10 2023 17:55 GMT
#762
On June 10 2023 23:54 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2023 23:53 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 10 2023 23:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 10 2023 23:40 LightningStrike wrote:
If this was your clarification Post Darth:
On June 10 2023 15:45 DarthPunk wrote:
Regarding copcake drama, in my opinion she has managed to spin this out of control because of one of three reasons:

1.) my posting has been hard to follow and she genuinely is confused

2.) lack of comprehension on her part

3.) willful ignorance or operating in bad faith.


I am going to explain this very carefully so that you all understand, because somehow it has gotten confusing even though from my perspective it is not confusing at all.

On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:

But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?

I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?

Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.


On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?


This is the post with which I begin to assert Copcake is not operating in good faith or not reading the thread.

Note that it is at this point, AFTER I had provided her with my reasoning for the slam read, that this assertion is made, and IN DIRECT RESPONSE to this particular question.

On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:
[quote]

I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.

I think LS and Rayn look bad.

this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.

What do you think?


But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽‍♀️

Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.


Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.

I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.

Now your turn.


But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?

I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?

Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.



Are you reading the thread?

Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?

You are not operating in good faith.

I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn

Why do you not know this??


Why?

Because on the first page of my filter I had answered this question.

On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 09 2023 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 13:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk nothing really looks suspicious so far.


You have to answer though. That's kind of the point.

What's the point of forcing someone to answer something they can't?


You know you did this to me last game right :D


On June 09 2023 14:28 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:24 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:
[quote]

You know you did this to me last game right :D

yeah, so?


So you know what the point is.

I really don't, unless you think i should have a scumread at this point even possibly.
So do you?


If you don't see the point why did you post exactly that last game?


This is the start of the argument. As you can see it is based specifically on a very specific part of her post.

On June 09 2023 17:12 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 17:03 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
[quote]

But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?

I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?

Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.



Are you reading the thread?

Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?

You are not operating in good faith.

I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn

Why do you not know this??


- someone else -

Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me.

Is this hard to understand?


You do t understand clearly.

I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol.

But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info.


I understand, and I explained that the question I needed an answer for was why is slam town so I could know if your reads have some sort of substance or not.

Because to - me - it looks like you wanted rayn reads to base yours in the future with that. I need to actually check last game and see if rayn asked you right away when there was only like 3 persons and 7 posts to - force you - have reads. :D


Which she acknowledges here, before it became a big deal In the Thread.

Here I clearly state again, that at the point that I stated she was operating in bad faith, in the post above, I had already answered every question she had in the thread,

On June 09 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:44 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:36 DarthPunk wrote:
[quote]

Because the questions you are asking are answered by reading the thread, because I have clearly explained and responded to those questions.

tbh she was asking you why you think Slam is town, and mostly that, and i had the same concern at the time, so i don't think that's a good basis for a scumread.


Im not scum reading her for that, I'm scum reading her because she won't explain her town read on you that was super early and super strong and when she did explain it doesn;t even make sense.

The whole premise of her arguments from the beginning relies on you being town, so why was it so hard for her to explain a good reason for you to be town? Especially when in the obs thread a meta of her being suspicious of you exists.

Further, all the questions she asked had already been answered in the thread, so she was either asking those questions having not read my answers, or she was operating in bad faith because she was mafia.,

Those two factors are enough at this juncture.

##Vote: Copcake


This is like an absolute lie


No its not. Unless you have asked me subsequent questions that I am not aware of after the point that I had stated you were operating in bad faith.

In fact, I will answer every question you had at that time by quoting a prior post of mine when I return. That is how confident I am that this is not a lie



Why was I confident? because she was asking in that post why I was forcing rayn to make reads, and it had already been established in the thread that the reason I had done so was because he had done the same to me in the prior game, a point which she later acknowledged.

The fact that she later uses me refusing to answer her question on my slam read, despite it being clear that I had only refused because she was ignoring my own questions really leaves me wondering, is she just not understanding or reading my posts or is she mafia and trying to deliberately twist and obfuscate the facts of the matter?

If that does not make it clear what my perspective on this is, then please ask for clarity.

Because to me it is perfectly clear that something weird is going on with Copcake.

I think she was more stubborn about you not answering her question she felt like it was a lot more important than your question towards her and that is when you decided to push her in a forceful manner. She did answer it later but still you still continued that fight was pretty scummy.


Lol did you even read the post? What exactly are you taking about? Do you think it’s scummy for me to continue fights? But you saw me fight with half the people in the thread last game and I was town. You love using meta LS so explain that.

I did read the post I disagreed and I know you fought with half the people in our last game it was the manner you did towards CopCake is what is different this game from last.


How can you disagree with facts ls?

And what specifically is different can you give some examples?

We are Americans, politics especially trains us in denial of fact (on both sides)
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
June 10 2023 18:00 GMT
#763
On June 10 2023 14:17 TankTopTiger wrote:
@Vivax
Assume (as I do) that DP is not getting lynched today. Who is your next lynch and why?

@LS
How did you learn to play mafia? Who from?


You.

You have no read on DP at all but held his play in high regard and both skirt around interacting with each other.
I see you pass him questions but I fail to see how that ever develops into a read on him. It feels shallow.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
June 10 2023 18:00 GMT
#764
On June 10 2023 23:08 TankTopTiger wrote:
Slam your statistics are rubbish.

Numbers don't have memory. They never think "gee, I've already RNGed LS scum, better not do that again". I'm pretty sure you understand this already.

The chances of LS being scum in this game are the same as for everyone else: One in four. You claiming he's town because he has the base chance to be town is not an argument or a reason to read him as anything.

They aren't though.


See? I AM MURICAN I GET TO HAVE TRASH LOGIC SKILLS

+ Show Spoiler +
lol good point TTT. It is a gut read tbh but press me and I will present bullshit in lieu of "gut read m8"
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
June 10 2023 18:12 GMT
#765
On June 10 2023 20:24 Hapahauli wrote:
I’m still fixated on MZ and Chez being our best lynch candidates here. I’ll have more on MZ in a bit.

Re: Chez, I think his posting structure of having his vote on Vivax while +1’ing other suspicions in the game is scummy. He did so to my post against MZ and MZ’s post against LS.


I might go along with Hapa at the end of the day, though.
Feels like a fresh take that would align with rayn's read on Chez and he's just content existing and contributing without pressure. Comfy towning this.

Not sure about MZ cause he posts tongue-in-cheek. Chez is enigmatic but also unreadable, wouldn't feel like I had a good reason if I lynched him, but could do that.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
June 10 2023 18:33 GMT
#766
Probably town:

- Hapa (attitude mostly, like a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh)
- Marv (decent followup to bugs bunny intro, aligns with Hapa in some aspects)
- Rayn (I don't think he'd scumread Chez for his vote on me as mafia and would rather go along with it comes to mind as a reason)
- LS (Christmas tree salience recycled first post + I kind of agree with Slam on his initial analysis at this point.I think he'd have folded and fell over by now as scum)
- Vayo (weird gut reason, seems familiar idk how)
- Cop (tonally seems like annoyed town to me also #hashtag has me pocketed so congratz if scum)

Not sure, could murder:

Chezinu, Slam, DMB, MZ

Want to murder:

DP, TTT
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 10 2023 18:33 GMT
#767
Day One Vote Count

DarthPunk (3): CopCake, Vivax, die_meatbaby, LightningStrike
Vivax (1): Chezinu
CopCake (2): DarthPunk, TankTopTiger
Meapak_Ziphh (1): Hapahauli
LightningStrike (1): raynpelikoneet
Chezinu (0): raynpelikoneet

Not Voting (4): Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, marvellosity, Vayoletta,

With 3 votes, DarthPunk is currently set to be lynched!

The deadline is Sunday, Jun 11 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in

I had a good night of sleep.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
June 10 2023 18:43 GMT
#768
On June 11 2023 03:33 Koshi wrote:
Day One Vote Count

DarthPunk (3): CopCake, Vivax, die_meatbaby, LightningStrike
Vivax (1): Chezinu
CopCake (2): DarthPunk, TankTopTiger
Meapak_Ziphh (1): Hapahauli
LightningStrike (1): raynpelikoneet
Chezinu (0): raynpelikoneet

Not Voting (4): Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, marvellosity, Vayoletta,

With 3 votes, DarthPunk is currently set to be lynched!

The deadline is Sunday, Jun 11 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in



Vivax unvoted and now seems to be missing.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
June 10 2023 18:46 GMT
#769
On June 09 2023 21:21 Chezinu wrote:
Vivax, Slam, DMB

Slam kill TTT this time.


Where are you?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
June 10 2023 18:51 GMT
#770
On June 11 2023 03:33 Vivax wrote:
Probably town:

- Hapa (attitude mostly, like a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh)
- Marv (decent followup to bugs bunny intro, aligns with Hapa in some aspects)
- Rayn (I don't think he'd scumread Chez for his vote on me as mafia and would rather go along with it comes to mind as a reason)
- LS (Christmas tree salience recycled first post + I kind of agree with Slam on his initial analysis at this point.I think he'd have folded and fell over by now as scum)
- Vayo (weird gut reason, seems familiar idk how)
- Cop (tonally seems like annoyed town to me also #hashtag has me pocketed so congratz if scum)

Not sure, could murder:

Chezinu, Slam, DMB, MZ

Want to murder:

DP, TTT

Why me?
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 10 2023 18:51 GMT
#771
On June 11 2023 03:43 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2023 03:33 Koshi wrote:
Day One Vote Count

DarthPunk (3): CopCake, Vivax, die_meatbaby, LightningStrike
Vivax (1): Chezinu
CopCake (2): DarthPunk, TankTopTiger
Meapak_Ziphh (1): Hapahauli
LightningStrike (1): raynpelikoneet
Chezinu (0): raynpelikoneet

Not Voting (4): Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, marvellosity, Vayoletta,

With 3 votes, DarthPunk is currently set to be lynched!

The deadline is Sunday, Jun 11 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in



Vivax unvoted and now seems to be missing.

Correct. Adjusting below.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 10 2023 18:51 GMT
#772
Day One Vote Count

DarthPunk (4): CopCake, Vivax, die_meatbaby, LightningStrike, Vivax
Vivax (1): Chezinu
CopCake (2): DarthPunk, TankTopTiger
Meapak_Ziphh (1): Hapahauli
LightningStrike (1): raynpelikoneet
Chezinu (0): raynpelikoneet

Not Voting (4): Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, marvellosity, Vayoletta,

With 4 votes, DarthPunk is currently set to be lynched!

The deadline is Sunday, Jun 11 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
I had a good night of sleep.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
June 10 2023 19:09 GMT
#773
On June 11 2023 03:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2023 03:33 Vivax wrote:
Probably town:

- Hapa (attitude mostly, like a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh)
- Marv (decent followup to bugs bunny intro, aligns with Hapa in some aspects)
- Rayn (I don't think he'd scumread Chez for his vote on me as mafia and would rather go along with it comes to mind as a reason)
- LS (Christmas tree salience recycled first post + I kind of agree with Slam on his initial analysis at this point.I think he'd have folded and fell over by now as scum)
- Vayo (weird gut reason, seems familiar idk how)
- Cop (tonally seems like annoyed town to me also #hashtag has me pocketed so congratz if scum)

Not sure, could murder:

Chezinu, Slam, DMB, MZ

Want to murder:

DP, TTT

Why me?


Maybe I want to motivate you a little. I don‘t know how you play scum but I know you play differently and more conscientiously and it sticks out to me that it could be a mafia sign, while it‘s an improvement in any case.

Us voting for the same person definitely feels like one but do you think there‘s something that should make you slamdunk town?
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 10 2023 19:16 GMT
#774
DMB you never answered the questions i had asked can you please answer them!
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
June 10 2023 19:24 GMT
#775
On June 11 2023 04:16 LightningStrike wrote:
DMB you never answered the questions i had asked can you please answer them!


She's at work so I'd wager not. It's a taxing work environment, trust me.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 10 2023 19:25 GMT
#776
I have had like the busiest weekend ever sitting pretty and drinkin vegan soy cafe latte at the edge of the town. Now it’s my time to walk into the centre with my fancy state of the art stiletto heels and proclaim Alakaslam vibes town to me. I put on my curved sunglasses as I look at the bright monitor once again, hoping to get beyond page 7 before the day ends.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 10 2023 19:33 GMT
#777
On June 11 2023 04:24 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2023 04:16 LightningStrike wrote:
DMB you never answered the questions i had asked can you please answer them!


She's at work so I'd wager not. It's a taxing work environment, trust me.

Thought she wasn't at wok sorry :|
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 10 2023 19:36 GMT
#778
On June 09 2023 15:16 Chezinu wrote:
The morning arrived, casting a soft glow upon the world as I stepped outside, my heart pounding with anticipation. Today was the day I would confront my fears head-on, the day I would open the letter waiting patiently in my mailbox and lower the red flag that had taunted me for so long.

Approaching the mailbox, I took a deep breath, mustering every ounce of courage within me. With trembling hands, I unlatched the lid, revealing the solitary envelope resting inside. It was as if the letter held a hidden power, a secret that could change everything.

Gingerly, I withdrew the envelope from its enclosure, feeling the weight of its contents in my grasp. The paper felt delicate, as if it held a multitude of untold stories within its fibers. The Master's rules echoed in my mind once more, reminding me not to reveal anything personal about the sender.

I carefully slit the envelope open, revealing the neatly folded letter contained within. Unfolding it, I held my breath, unsure of what I would find. The words that met my eyes were unexpected, a departure from the sterile nature of my usual deliveries.

"Dear Courier, I know the burden you carry. The fear, the isolation. But remember, there is strength in unity, even in the face of an oppressive regime. Do not let the Master's control extinguish your spirit. Take solace in the small acts of rebellion, for they hold the power to ignite change. Lower the red flag today, reclaim your freedom. Together, we can defy the chains that bind us."

As I read those words, a surge of hope coursed through my veins. It was as if the sender had understood my turmoil, my yearning for connection and liberation. Their message was a call to action, a rallying cry that resonated deep within me.

Determined, I closed the letter and slipped it back into the envelope. The weight of the Master's gaze and the consequences of my actions paled in comparison to the flicker of rebellion that had ignited within me. Today, I would defy the Master's control, even if only in a small, symbolic act.

With renewed purpose, I reached up and gently lowered the red flag, its descent a defiance against the oppressive grip of the Master. The symbolic act sent a surge of exhilaration through me, a sense of liberation that I hadn't felt in so long.

The raised red flag had represented fear and subservience, but now, as it stood lowered, it became a beacon of hope, a symbol of resilience and the possibility of change. I had taken a step towards reclaiming my identity, towards forging a path of my own in the face of an oppressive regime.

As I closed the mailbox, a newfound sense of empowerment filled me. The journey ahead would not be easy, but I had found allies, kindred spirits in the shadows. Together, we would continue to resist, to sow the seeds of rebellion, and to fight for a future where personal connections and individuality were celebrated.

With each step I took on my mail courier route that day, I carried with me the words of the sender. They fueled my determination, reminding me that I was not alone in my struggles. I would continue to deliver the unsealed letters, but now, I would also carry within me the invisible threads that connected us, the whispers of unity and defiance against the Master's oppressive rule.


Like, what should I drink alongside my latte for this to have a meaning? What spice am I missing?
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 10 2023 19:39 GMT
#779
On June 09 2023 15:30 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2023 15:28 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:15 die_meatbaby wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So okay DP.

In my opinion you asking me who to lynch right now only really makes sense if you think i should have or could have a scum read based on something in the game. Did you think i should have a scumread at that point of the game and if yes, then who would that be and why? If you don't, why did you ask the question -- and furthermore why did you try to "force" me to answer when i clearly said i can't answer at that point?


Tbh this is a normal way to start the game. Of course we can´t know already who is who or if somebody make scum or not. Its imposible to manage it in the first 10 posts of the game and just 3-4 players are active right now. But how else should the game get started. It seems like a normal questing to just ignore chez and slam usually meme/troll posts. Somebody has to make a start here and this is just a normal way. Only second game here but seems normal to me (for now)


This.


Not always, mafia can pretend to “scumhunt” and engage conversation.


Cakeroni, who’s pretending to scumhunt here?
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2023 20:29 GMT
#780
Finally back. Should be around for the rest of the Day 1 (and pretty active).
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