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On June 11 2023 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 06:58 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't really get how TTT reads Cake mafia, because whenever he talks about his read with me it looks like he doesn't konw what to think of her alignment. I think he is pretty clear in this post: On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe.
Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in. ... I just have difficulty understanding how he reached that conclusion. Yes that's what i talking about. He asks me if me and Cake know each other, i tell yes, he says "oh i see how she can have a town read on you". same thing happens at least three times.
Hence the "opportunistic" point.
I read his filter and get the sense that he is seriously reading the thread (all that CC / DP shit is insane) enough to summarize it for other people. But the depth of his reads are completely at odds with the amount of effort he is presenting himself to be putting into the thread.
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On June 11 2023 06:57 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 06:55 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 06:51 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 06:40 Hapahauli wrote:
I think all and all, I'm still on MZ and TTT as our best lynches for today.
Rayn, curious to hear your thoughts on both (and LS, since you clearly disagree with me). I'll note that I think TTT has effectively set up CC and LS as back to back lynches in his filter, similar to what you are saying about LS. Meh Hapa, I appreciate you trying to save me and all but you landed like a plane with no wings on this one. Work with me here will ya? Happy to discuss CopCake all you want as long as I can convince ya to look at some different people. I’m posting bro. What do you want? This game is fucking hard right now. Cause the ppl who look the worst to me. LS and Copcake are being town read all over the place. Well help me understand, because to the extent that you have suspicions, they really don't make sense to me based on what you've already posted. Can you just give me a quick, 1 paragraph summary on why you think either (or both) of them are the top of your list?
I mean not really. Ls I dont actually think is mafia. I just think his posting, sheeping and “one of cop and dp” are scum look bad. But I literally just posted my thoughts on him.
Copcake: had strong reads from nowhere that she didn’t want to talk about and when she finally did the reasons really didn’t correlate to the Strength of the read.
And I don’t think emotion and crazy posting like hers can’t be faked (I know because I can fake it myself)
But I think Rayn is town and I am trying to find a way to understand his town read on her so I’m not sure she is the lynch either.
I want to know what vayoletta actually thinks rather than the vague airy posting she has done. Cause she is alluding to an opinion on cake without actually sharing anything.
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On June 11 2023 07:02 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2023 06:58 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't really get how TTT reads Cake mafia, because whenever he talks about his read with me it looks like he doesn't konw what to think of her alignment. I think he is pretty clear in this post: On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe.
Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in. ... I just have difficulty understanding how he reached that conclusion. Yes that's what i talking about. He asks me if me and Cake know each other, i tell yes, he says "oh i see how she can have a town read on you". same thing happens at least three times. Hence the "opportunistic" point. I read his filter and get the sense that he is seriously reading the thread (all that CC / DP shit is insane) enough to summarize it for other people. But the depth of his reads are completely at odds with the amount of effort he is presenting himself to be putting into the thread.
I don’t think he could be engaged enough to seriously keep up as mafia.
Meta read whatever, trust me on this you have to give him time. He always always always is up for a lynch at the start of games, but just like last game he will be obvious later.
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On June 11 2023 07:03 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 06:57 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:55 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 06:51 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 06:40 Hapahauli wrote:
I think all and all, I'm still on MZ and TTT as our best lynches for today.
Rayn, curious to hear your thoughts on both (and LS, since you clearly disagree with me). I'll note that I think TTT has effectively set up CC and LS as back to back lynches in his filter, similar to what you are saying about LS. Meh Hapa, I appreciate you trying to save me and all but you landed like a plane with no wings on this one. Work with me here will ya? Happy to discuss CopCake all you want as long as I can convince ya to look at some different people. I’m posting bro. What do you want? This game is fucking hard right now. Cause the ppl who look the worst to me. LS and Copcake are being town read all over the place. Well help me understand, because to the extent that you have suspicions, they really don't make sense to me based on what you've already posted. Can you just give me a quick, 1 paragraph summary on why you think either (or both) of them are the top of your list? I mean not really. Ls I dont actually think is mafia. I just think his posting, sheeping and “one of cop and dp” are scum look bad. But I literally just posted my thoughts on him. Copcake: had strong reads from nowhere that she didn’t want to talk about and when she finally did the reasons really didn’t correlate to the Strength of the read. And I don’t think emotion and crazy posting like hers can’t be faked (I know because I can fake it myself) But I think Rayn is town and I am trying to find a way to understand his town read on her so I’m not sure she is the lynch either. I want to know what vayoletta actually thinks rather than the vague airy posting she has done. Cause she is alluding to an opinion on cake without actually sharing anything.
Respectfully, I think your concept of what is/is not difficult to fake as mafia is warped, because you are so insanely good at certain things as mafia (i.e. emotional congruance). I don't put Cake in the same category.
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On June 11 2023 07:05 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 07:02 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2023 06:58 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't really get how TTT reads Cake mafia, because whenever he talks about his read with me it looks like he doesn't konw what to think of her alignment. I think he is pretty clear in this post: On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe.
Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in. ... I just have difficulty understanding how he reached that conclusion. Yes that's what i talking about. He asks me if me and Cake know each other, i tell yes, he says "oh i see how she can have a town read on you". same thing happens at least three times. Hence the "opportunistic" point. I read his filter and get the sense that he is seriously reading the thread (all that CC / DP shit is insane) enough to summarize it for other people. But the depth of his reads are completely at odds with the amount of effort he is presenting himself to be putting into the thread. I don’t think he could be engaged enough to seriously keep up as mafia. Meta read whatever, trust me on this you have to give him time. He always always always is up for a lynch at the start of games, but just like last game he will be obvious later.
What is your history with TTT? Played on other sites, or is this just based on the TL games? Happy to take a look.
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On June 11 2023 06:59 CopCake wrote:
I am heeereeee (for a while)
Hypothetically, if I am town who is mafia Copcake?
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On June 11 2023 06:59 CopCake wrote:
I am heeereeee (for a while)
Well, we're trying to solve the game. Mind helping out?
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Truth to be told Cake can easily fake emotion and crazy posting as mafia, i jsut don't think this is it.
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On June 11 2023 07:06 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 07:05 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 07:02 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2023 06:58 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't really get how TTT reads Cake mafia, because whenever he talks about his read with me it looks like he doesn't konw what to think of her alignment. I think he is pretty clear in this post: On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe.
Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in. ... I just have difficulty understanding how he reached that conclusion. Yes that's what i talking about. He asks me if me and Cake know each other, i tell yes, he says "oh i see how she can have a town read on you". same thing happens at least three times. Hence the "opportunistic" point. I read his filter and get the sense that he is seriously reading the thread (all that CC / DP shit is insane) enough to summarize it for other people. But the depth of his reads are completely at odds with the amount of effort he is presenting himself to be putting into the thread. I don’t think he could be engaged enough to seriously keep up as mafia. Meta read whatever, trust me on this you have to give him time. He always always always is up for a lynch at the start of games, but just like last game he will be obvious later. What is your history with TTT? Played on other sites, or is this just based on the TL games? Happy to take a look.
Irl friend for 20 plus years. Played games forever, irl, forum, board games etc
This is all explained in the previous game.
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On June 11 2023 07:05 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 07:02 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2023 06:58 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't really get how TTT reads Cake mafia, because whenever he talks about his read with me it looks like he doesn't konw what to think of her alignment. I think he is pretty clear in this post: On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe.
Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in. ... I just have difficulty understanding how he reached that conclusion. Yes that's what i talking about. He asks me if me and Cake know each other, i tell yes, he says "oh i see how she can have a town read on you". same thing happens at least three times. Hence the "opportunistic" point. I read his filter and get the sense that he is seriously reading the thread (all that CC / DP shit is insane) enough to summarize it for other people. But the depth of his reads are completely at odds with the amount of effort he is presenting himself to be putting into the thread. I don’t think he could be engaged enough to seriously keep up as mafia. Meta read whatever, trust me on this you have to give him time. He always always always is up for a lynch at the start of games, but just like last game he will be obvious later.
Last game he was obvious town from the start, the obs just didn't read the game at all D2.
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On June 11 2023 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Truth to be told Cake can easily fake emotion and crazy posting as mafia, i jsut don't think this is it.
Eli5 please.
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On June 11 2023 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 07:05 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 07:02 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2023 06:58 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't really get how TTT reads Cake mafia, because whenever he talks about his read with me it looks like he doesn't konw what to think of her alignment. I think he is pretty clear in this post: On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe.
Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in. ... I just have difficulty understanding how he reached that conclusion. Yes that's what i talking about. He asks me if me and Cake know each other, i tell yes, he says "oh i see how she can have a town read on you". same thing happens at least three times. Hence the "opportunistic" point. I read his filter and get the sense that he is seriously reading the thread (all that CC / DP shit is insane) enough to summarize it for other people. But the depth of his reads are completely at odds with the amount of effort he is presenting himself to be putting into the thread. I don’t think he could be engaged enough to seriously keep up as mafia. Meta read whatever, trust me on this you have to give him time. He always always always is up for a lynch at the start of games, but just like last game he will be obvious later. Last game he was obvious town from the start, the obs just didn't read the game at all D2.
Yeah he got pressured in the thread straight up though.
And he had 2 days of content to parse and got to read all of day one in one go.
Yea it’s different and my town read on him is not as strong as last game.
But he will be obv maf later so why risk it. That’s my perspective pretty much.
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On June 11 2023 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Truth to be told Cake can easily fake emotion and crazy posting as mafia, i jsut don't think this is it.
To be clear, I am not reading Cake as town solely because she is displaying emotion. I look for what emotions people should be displaying given the circumstances, and Cake lines up well.
Whereas, MZ does not to me (grandstanding on LS seems like manufactured indignation in context).
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On June 11 2023 07:09 DarthPunk wrote:
But he will be obv maf later so why risk it. That’s my perspective pretty much.
Yes i am in the same boat with the information i have this far.
On June 11 2023 07:08 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Truth to be told Cake can easily fake emotion and crazy posting as mafia, i jsut don't think this is it. Eli5 please.
What?
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On June 11 2023 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 07:09 DarthPunk wrote:
But he will be obv maf later so why risk it. That’s my perspective pretty much.
Yes i am in the same boat with the information i have this far. Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 07:08 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Truth to be told Cake can easily fake emotion and crazy posting as mafia, i jsut don't think this is it. Eli5 please. What?
Why cake is town.
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I just posted my read on her a while ago.
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On June 11 2023 06:56 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 06:51 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 06:40 Hapahauli wrote:
I think all and all, I'm still on MZ and TTT as our best lynches for today.
Rayn, curious to hear your thoughts on both (and LS, since you clearly disagree with me). I'll note that I think TTT has effectively set up CC and LS as back to back lynches in his filter, similar to what you are saying about LS. Meh Hapa, I appreciate you trying to save me and all but you landed like a plane with no wings on this one. Work with me here will ya? Happy to discuss CopCake all you want as long as I can convince ya to look at some different people. Do you think MZ was lying about being a bottle of wine deep and having personal issues?
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On June 11 2023 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 06:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Can you explain like I’m five why cop is town so I can move on? Cause the emotion argument is something I place very little emphasis on in general. I don't see any problems with her train of thought especially in the argument with you. Sure probably not all the things are right but i believe she genuinely believes in what she says. Your case is mostly about her having a strong town read on me. I don't necessarily think it's impossible for her to have a town read on me, and the town read doesn't even need to be strong to question you on the things she did (which started from like the same thing i started questioning you). Hell i would have done the same i did if you asked your question towards anyone but me, even if i didn't have a town read on them.
Ok thanks
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On June 11 2023 07:14 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 06:56 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 06:51 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 06:40 Hapahauli wrote:
I think all and all, I'm still on MZ and TTT as our best lynches for today.
Rayn, curious to hear your thoughts on both (and LS, since you clearly disagree with me). I'll note that I think TTT has effectively set up CC and LS as back to back lynches in his filter, similar to what you are saying about LS. Meh Hapa, I appreciate you trying to save me and all but you landed like a plane with no wings on this one. Work with me here will ya? Happy to discuss CopCake all you want as long as I can convince ya to look at some different people. Do you think MZ was lying about being a bottle of wine deep and having personal issues?
No clue, but I do see the point that the tone can be explained by IRL things.
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ALso where did Cake go? Wasn't she here a minute ago?
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