TL Endures Mafia

On May 01 2023 02:43 Vivax wrote:


need...more...input

On May 03 2023 03:52 die_meatbaby wrote:
/in

On May 23 2023 11:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This feels like 2013 again <3

On May 23 2023 18:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If we were playing a game between the people who have posted who would you lynch and who would you doc right now?

On May 23 2023 19:36 die_meatbaby wrote:
The mafia talks to the other mafia right? On Discord or somewhere else and this two always answering at the same time here.

On May 23 2023 19:47 die_meatbaby wrote:


only mafia would say this....

On May 23 2023 20:12 die_meatbaby wrote:



I think at this point your are just scared to be voted out on the first day

Remeber playing Poker with me? You will lose no matter which game you play with me and that you are def. mafia it makes it easier for me too

On May 23 2023 21:16 Koshi wrote:

I understand that is potentially true. But that only pinged me.
After that you played rather cautious and also there I understand that "not clogging up the thread" is a good excuse for a small filter, but fact is that you have:
1) an opening with a question that goes nowhere
2) a cautious playstyle
3) a small filter

On May 23 2023 22:11 Vivax wrote:
Crunching a few pages before I seek productivity irl.



Yes



I'm more hedgy than with others on DM for obvious reasons. Would probably categorize it as mild trolling. But if it's really her opinion, then she will be able to put it into words more concisely as to what the reasons are, eventually.
Not that I wouldn't murder her on D1 with the ol' baby seal club if I saw the necessity.

For now all concerns regarding MB go into the the git gud n00b mailbox.

So... (small) list time.

The town:

Koshi - Makes me laugh, pokes in good places and takes responsibility for the thread. Feels like an ez read.

Rayn - The initial sense of urgency of his posts evolved into a calmer thread presence. I read the complacency as town so far, but I know not to underestimate his scumgame.

VE - Initial entry felt off from thread context, but I think the approach he used holds merit and also shone a light where it could matter down the road considering I don't feel like marv and DP have to be town at this point.

DP, Marv in null territory for the time being. DP appears a bit performative at times but he's also under pressure so could be that.



While this appeared like town marv for the last sentence especially, I'm also conscious of the fact that focusing on discerning a new player's alignment is more pro-scum than pro-town while I can't deny that it's a necessity.

On May 23 2023 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:

And she probably is. I don't think the poker thing in her post is a lie for a second.
But if and *when* that is NOT a lie, she should be aware (as a gambler/at least gamer) that she can't figure out Vivax as mafia without any reasoning at all. I guess this might change if she GAVE the reasoning, but apparently she is unwilling to, while asked multiple times.

On May 23 2023 23:35 Koshi wrote:

nope

On May 24 2023 00:21 Vivax wrote:


Hey LS !
Doing okayish at the moment, thanks.

Sometimes I get bored of being in discord with rayn and doing drinking games and I poke in here again.

On May 24 2023 07:59 Koshi wrote:

Ok. So him being meek is NAI ( not allignment indicative).

Did you see me proof that Vivax and rayn didnt leave together and that rayn was active continiously and Vivax only made 2 posts? So rayn being there when Vivax made those 2 posts is just a coincidence?
And how did you "feel" that they were hiding and posting together when you were sleeping at that time?

On May 23 2023 19:49 marvellosity wrote:

If you were mafia, would you post at the same time on this thread if you were discussing the game with your mafia buddies on Discord at the same time?

On May 24 2023 17:12 Vivax wrote:
The Chez TR made no sense in that list, aye. As the read on me/rayn still doesn‘t. At this point it doesn’t seem to just be a tease or troll read of sorts anymore.

I wouldn‘t say massive troll @DP. Aside from obvious shitposts, I think it‘s mostly her being in way over her head.

Game takes practice and we‘re routined players, so I believe that regardless of alignment, she doesn‘t know how to gather player sentiment and just posts half-baked stuff in the hopes that it holds some value to others.

Which is behaviour I would usually place as mafia, but with newbie card + bias + language barrier I don‘t really feel like going down that road. I feel like I brought her into this game so I’m also responsible for ensuring it’s fun :p

Oh and LS seemes town for tone to me , I don’t rely on much else when it comes to him this early in the game (but I won’t forget he slipped by as mafia once in I think the last game where Damdred was also in).

Meanwhile I take some issue with MZs tone, at times. It’s all very well written and the angles he shoots hold merit but appears tendentious/tunnely in approach.

That said, GTMH I‘d currently vote with my TRs Koshi/rayn and maybe marv no matter what.

On May 24 2023 17:12 Vivax wrote:
The Chez TR made no sense in that list, aye. As the read on me/rayn still doesn‘t. At this point it doesn’t seem to just be a tease or troll read of sorts anymore.

I wouldn‘t say massive troll @DP. Aside from obvious shitposts, I think it‘s mostly her being in way over her head.

Game takes practice and we‘re routined players, so I believe that regardless of alignment, she doesn‘t know how to gather player sentiment and just posts half-baked stuff in the hopes that it holds some value to others.

Which is behaviour I would usually place as mafia, but with newbie card + bias + language barrier I don‘t really feel like going down that road. I feel like I brought her into this game so I’m also responsible for ensuring it’s fun :p

Oh and LS seemes town for tone to me , I don’t rely on much else when it comes to him this early in the game (but I won’t forget he slipped by as mafia once in I think the last game where Damdred was also in).

Meanwhile I take some issue with MZs tone, at times. It’s all very well written and the angles he shoots hold merit but appears tendentious/tunnely in approach.

That said, GTMH I‘d currently vote with my TRs Koshi/rayn and maybe marv no matter what.

On May 24 2023 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[...]
Vivax looks active and i'd say more likely town too. I didn't hate his last post, although there is a creeping suspicion about him and meatbaby goin like "hey can i say this in thread" -- "yeah it's fine, noone will believe you anyways and it's great distancing anyways", but i don't really have any other reason to think Vivax is mafia atm, and that reasoning in itself is stupid.
[...]

On May 24 2023 07:56 die_meatbaby wrote:
Me and vivax never talk about the game ever 2 pc´s 2 different rooms. Also if I have questions i would write the host and not asking him.

On May 24 2023 17:42 Vivax wrote:


I didn‘t coach her while posting. Do you think she’d list Chez as town if I did that ?

On May 24 2023 13:44 DarthPunk wrote:
@Die Meat Baby

Why are you voting for Onegu when you think Vivax is mafia?

Please actually answer the question this time. :D

On May 24 2023 17:59 Vivax wrote:


I assume she would be, since we play on different computers.

On May 24 2023 18:19 Vivax wrote:


Only if you want to become besties with Koshi and rayn

On May 24 2023 18:44 Vivax wrote:


I believe DP thinks I got extra info, but doesn't think I'm mafia.
Granted, I've been trying to be a bit sensible when it felt like you pulled down his pants in front of everyone in the first few pages.

On May 23 2023 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv do you think DP is mafia or town atm?

On May 24 2023 19:13 DarthPunk wrote:


Noted.

On May 24 2023 19:13 DarthPunk wrote:


Noted.

On May 24 2023 19:48 Vivax wrote:
I'm gonna take a break from my battlestation.
Getting refuge in audacity vibes, maybe. I'm hoping for a bunch of posts that fit the situation and aren't edgelordism.

For instructional purposes: A policy lynch is a lynch designed to remove toxic players from the game, which I am currently very happy to do because I like my eyes intact.

On May 24 2023 21:24 DarthPunk wrote:
Marv Thoughts? Im off to bed shortly.

On May 24 2023 21:42 Vivax wrote:


Same here cause I guess that posting that way isn‘t necessarily AI for a first timer.

I‘m perfectly happy with being of a flock under Koshi cause he‘s speeding through most details that matter in real time.

Rayn too although the idea I was telling her what‘s okay to write was ridiculous and I don‘t know where he got it considering that her playstyle goes into too scummy to be scum at times.

And I think that rayn should know that if I were coaching my gf we wouldn‘t be having these arguments. Maybe he can point out where he got the notion.

I suppose that if she‘s mafia, marv‘s assessment was right. If she isn‘t, mine was and marv can be scum.

In terms of pairings I don‘t think they are ever both scum.

VE wanted to mayor her so maybe I missed something in the mech talk that‘s supposed to make her slamdunk town.

On May 24 2023 22:28 Vivax wrote:

Ah, no I’m right regardless of her alignment, that’s kinda the point.
Me saying a focus on DMB was more pro-scum than the inverse.

On May 24 2023 17:16 Vivax wrote:


Why does that make marv town ?

On May 24 2023 23:28 Vivax wrote:


But weren‘t you just explaining in the last paragraph that it doesn‘t exonerate marv ?

On May 25 2023 00:01 Vivax wrote:


But I‘m not scum for f0cks sake.
It‘s like you made a meme read into a real read and are now stuck with it.

On May 24 2023 18:52 die_meatbaby wrote:


i will pull of pants from all of you and then you can see what i can see.... JUST DICKS AND ASSHOLES

On May 24 2023 06:49 Vivax wrote:
VE seems like another VE compared to how he approached the game initially. Might rethink the TR down the road. I take issue in the fact that his first post had that ‚aha‘ component while the followup ended up all over the place with little regard as to who the vote ends up on.

As for MB, I don‘t read the derpy reasoning as AI. Knowing the character of the player, it could be mild trolling or a beginner‘s approach to pressuring me.

I‘m probably biased, but the mech talk appears disingenous enough to be town imo. I prefer to leave that slot to others to figure out. By others I mostly mean my townreads Koshi, Rayn, LS atm.

Got to filter MZ still.

On May 24 2023 08:21 Vivax wrote:


You don't know how I usually play. And that's not about the discord timing thing either. There were a bunch of people posting at similar timings, not just me and rayn. That's what Koshi was pointing out among other things.

Maybe you think that's a way of reading people, but nobody else does . Where was any indication that me and rayn posted in tandem? Why should we ?

On the other hand it could 'dumbtell' you as the lack of knowing that mafia chat isn't that super active could mean you're town.

On May 25 2023 02:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Where did the one of marv/DP is scum end and why?

On May 25 2023 03:05 Vivax wrote:
I‘m slightly bothered by the timing of MZ +1ing VE on me.
If you think that part of my post was wifom then you already have had to assume that I‘d have to resort to it, or not ?

Lowkey reads like I was supposed to scumread DMB harder while you posted your opinion on her alignment after that accusation.

On May 25 2023 03:09 Vivax wrote:


They are old suspicions

On May 25 2023 03:55 die_meatbaby wrote:


Again first game.
got the role. For me it was yeah of course I am town why should they make the new one mafia to risk. Especially after my bf told me this is like a legendary rematch after years.
Found out the roles came automaticly by a software. (information I should get somewhere in rules, because I was never talking to V about the till I got pissed about my language.) Also o just learned by reading here and didn't got explained anything from V expect the fact he wanted to fear me about you guys. Told me you never know with who you playing could be famous people, people working for government and so on, but nothing else.
Second he told few seconds before start maybe I need discord if I get mafia, okey so I found out they talk to each other, makes them more hard to find.
Was trying to read old games saw a few names from here as well. Just thought beeing less active here means less opinion to find mafia. That's the reason why I think V is M
I would never be writing so much and so active if I have do hide, because that's what you do when you hide.

On May 25 2023 04:22 die_meatbaby wrote:


you can and you can vote me out becauce you don´t believe in me beeing town.
I am just against vote from V because he don´t think i am mafia and just voting on me of self protection and mostly becauce a was writing some mean words. He vote on me becauce of personal reasons. I was cringed about my snake comment last night, got personly offend from me this morning and just vote becauce he is pissed on me (online not in rl)

On May 25 2023 04:26 Vivax wrote:




My mood after the rude posts.
I think it was in the morning?

On May 25 2023 04:49 Vivax wrote:


So you're saying it's too much at once?
It's a nonsensical push on me anyways. Same as it was on you. I think it was DP who asked to vig her, not the worst idea. If it's AI I cba to read too much into it on D1 unless she starts shitting up the thread. I also had a myriad of questions probably left unanswered to things I thought made her mafia but I also don't want to overblow her workload considering how much she's probably struggling with the English we use.

At least I'll have the splatters on the wall and not on my hands. Machiavellianism be damned.

On May 25 2023 05:35 marvellosity wrote:
I swore I wouldn’t do this but I think I need to see if I can go find how MZ reacts to pressure as either alignment.

On May 25 2023 05:43 Vivax wrote:


If memory serves me correctly he‘s more performative as mafia whereas as town he prefers to be hard to read.

Basically where every advanced player wants to end up.

On May 25 2023 06:00 Vivax wrote:


Do you mind if I postpone it to next day? Also I‘d rather do it with flip info.
I just want to have a plausible wagon before I detach from the game for a while.

On May 25 2023 06:09 LightningStrike wrote:

Maybe I am not getting why people were getting paranoid of his scum game though? Regardless though what is your read on Marv atm?

On May 25 2023 06:22 Vivax wrote:


You nailed it to the floor

On May 25 2023 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
onegu too boss to be town.
vivax too little paranoid to be town.

On May 25 2023 06:33 Vivax wrote:


My paranoia meta doesn‘t apply on D1

Pretty sure I‘ve also been more inquisitive towards different people than you have

On May 25 2023 07:24 Vivax wrote:
I‘ma call it a nighty-o
1gu I hope delivers something decent in the future. I don‘t think he read anything at all tbh.

LS gets a downgrade for last appearance while rayn is being annoying on me, redeemed by being observant on him tho.

I‘m sorry if MZ is town.
I‘d also add (to reasons why I think he’s mafia) that his complaint about the egregious posting was warranted, at the same time it felt a bit like he was exaggerating his reaction. Maybe to gain a bunch of cheap cred with those insulted.

Should be an interesting angle to revisit at some point.

On May 25 2023 07:36 Vivax wrote:


Looks like the alarm clock is back on the menu