EPTI'm not throwing shade at Koshi. I'm just calling these specific events as I see them. I sort of assume people have their reasons even if I'm too inexperienced to understand them.
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I'm not throwing shade at Koshi. I'm just calling these specific events as I see them. I sort of assume people have their reasons even if I'm too inexperienced to understand them. | ||
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if you are town you will die in the first night for shure. Mafia are to scared of good players like you, so they make you die, because they know people would vote me out directly and so we lose 3 town people in D1 N1 and D2. If you don´t die in this night you are more likly to be mafia (for me) and people would vote on you on d2 This the one? I just thought you were wrong is all. For that to be true Marv would need to be so dangerous that even when he's not going well he's considered more of a threat than Koshi, Rayn, DP. On top of that, it ignores other aspects of what makes for a good NK, like how town interpret it, avoiding doctors, or sniffing out blues. You can tell I didn't believe in your theory because despite wanting Marv dead, he's made it through two NK's and I still don't think this is grounds to assume him mafia. And I don't think you believe it anymore either, because that would make this lynch super simple for you. Regarding Koshi's specific request: You were talking about Marv being terrifying by reputation by his meta, while I was talking about Marv being useless in actuality in the game. It was only a contradiction if you viewed it in low-resolution. | ||
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On May 30 2023 23:02 die_meatbaby wrote: We are both inexperienced players here, although you have already played the same game on other platforms, as far as I have noticed. Don't you think Darth Punk wants to manipulate us? When you first suspected Marv, he logically got involved immediately. When I filter DP I notice that his emotions have become stronger since the voting contest between Marv and him started. Unless DP's manipulations are worlds better in mafia than they are IRL, no I don't think so. My thoughts are my own. I took VE down before DP jumped on. I was on Marv from my very first post. I actively ignored DP's case on LS (telling him to give LS more room to breathe) until I came across evidence independently that I found convincing. I've been lost in games before, and it feels bad because you have to rely on other people to tell you which way's up. But while my views align with DP's he hasn't caused them, and to the extent he's influenced me, I've been sure to get verification from other town (such as regarding specific player's metas). Re: Marv Maybe in the morning if I don't get picked up early. It's past midnight and I'm already behind on sleep sorry. | ||
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Looks like my vote doesn't matter, and I'm happy with either lynch. But this seems so unnecessary. If LS is red, Marv is scum. + DMB, IMO Marv is trying to pocket you. He's constantly "confirmed you town" which is warm and fuzzy but you've literally never been the lynch so this much attention being paid to you is weird. He wants you to defend him, like Rayn and Koshi were defending him early. The guy's a puppeteer. | ||
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If I had asked you what you would expect Marv's contribution to be by the end of D3, would you have said "He will have a very strong town read on a player who people already think is town?". Is this a legendary town player to you? Compare to DP (who is currently being retarded but nevermind) + DP freed up three townies N1 by resolving a conflict smoothly. Not just confirming and reconfirming a townie, but actually generating townie actions. Rayn and I being freed up D2 allowed the lynch on VE to happen, as we were crucial in getting that train going. + DP built the foundations for the case on LS. While my case was a different line to DP's, it was built on the conversation that he pursued on his read. The case on LS doesn't exist without DP. All a red DP had to do to win was talk about literally anything other than what he did. Marv keeps talking about how town he is for... coming back after having given up... But he did give up and that's his tell! Just because he limps back in after realising just how badly he fucked up does not make him town. Legendary Town Marv does not give up to begin with. And what has Marv actually done? | ||
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Okay so we're down to one mafia. I want to use tonight to fortify town resolve against Marv, because I probably won't see daylight. RedMarv's "meta-level one" play (the play that is optimal given no wifom considerations) is to NK me and then mind control town into lynching DP over him, playing on your paranoia. But keep in mind that Marv's stocks are even lower now than when every single town voted him earlier. LS refused to vote Marv despite pretending he was open to it and now we 100% know LS was mafia. VE acted similarly, pretending to want a lynch on Marv early when there was no way Marv was being lynched, then basically trying to stay out of Marv's way after D1 when there was a chance of weakening Marv's position. | ||
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To me it seemed pretty clear that you wanted Marv dead over LE, then you changed your mind in the spur of the moment and cattle-ranch town all followed you. Was I mistaken? | ||
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Town marv has never been in this position because town marv does not get in this position. 1) Marv is either town or scum 2) If Marv is scum, Marv gets in trouble early 3) If Marv is town, Marv does not get in trouble early <= he's giving us this premise (which wasn't necessary but converges nicely with the modus ponens 4) Marv got in trouble early C: Marv is scum | ||
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But hypothetically, if Marv is not scum (big if), what you're doing now is distancing yourself from his mislynch which is something a redDP would need to do now that it's (about to be) 4-1. In my head, I was dying tonight confident that you would carry the lynch out on Marv/LS. You're bouncing around too much for someone who's experienced the Marv meta firsthand. | ||
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On January 17 2015 20:14 marvellosity wrote: can you even *imagine* what my filter *should* look like in a game this size? not getting lynched when everyone realises you're mafia is quite the achievement, i'd say :p There's no such thing as "stylistically" calling certain townies mafia. That's just incorrect play, nothing more, nothing less. And he wasn't the only one. edit: like town needs to cut through what's important and what's not. calling obvious townies and likely townies mafia is what lets mafia hide! Damdred and I were playing below our towngames, and noticeably so, and that's what was *actually* important, but it was beautifully drowned out (from scum PoV) from all the crackpot nonsense going on around us, hiding us in amongst the bs. GG Marv. | ||
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You are in no danger of NK, there is no need to wait until daylight. | ||
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