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On May 25 2023 03:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Maybe I just don't see how DMB is actively harming town.
[quote]Right now nobody agrees with your reasoning on Vivax being mafia regardless of what they think of Vivax' affiliation. What you are doing, and have been doing pretty much the whole game, is trying to convince Vivax of Vivax being mafia. Can you see how counter-productive that is if youre town? Do you think Vivax agrees he is mafia if you tell it to him over and over again or what's your angle there?
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Worst case scenario is that you're town and Vivax is mafia and you're just giving him a legit reason to post (nonsense) stuff that looks like he is contributing, because when you two fight in the thread, so far he's coming out looking way better than you are.[quote]
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messed up the tags but i think you can get the point.
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On a more general, higher level about the whole game;
Town are fucked if both rayn and Koshi are mafia. Too much thread control. Fortunately I don’t think that is the case at all. If one is mafia (still don’t think so) then I’m sort of relying on the other to start calling them out.
So I take into account both of their opinion fairly strongly. So while I’m a lot less sure on MB than they are, if I’m going to follow 2 players it’s them, and that may be the right thing to do here.
Your aggression towards me is fairly bizarre though MZ. Assuming you are town, you must at least understand what I’m saying about you. You’re a good enough player to understand that a mafia playing ‘cleanly’ is very much a thing. So the fact you disregard that is weird.
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And rayn I'm telling you that in my experience as town in that position figuring out the person's alignment feels important. You showing me why you think it's the opposite doesn't change my read of it, it just tells me you don't give a shit about what I'm saying. And I already knew that, can you see how counterproductive that is?
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On May 25 2023 03:12 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 03:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 25 2023 03:06 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2023 03:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 25 2023 03:01 marvellosity wrote:
MZ your characterisation of what I said about you as OMGUS is weak sauce.
There is no curiosity in your posts about my alignment whatsoever. With all that I wrote, that's what you take away. Man your "case" is that my posting is "too clean", that's a pretty transparent way of saying OMGUS. It’s like the opposite… Outside of me, who are your scum reads? Just the names, I literally just want you to reply with the names. Lynches I am entertaining today are: You DMB VE Currently very much in that order. If one of you/VE isn’t mafia I’d be fairly surprised, not because I necessarily think you’re connected, but just thread flow.
Your VE read is even worse than your read on me. You went from this:
On May 24 2023 17:14 marvellosity wrote:
First post of the game on a computer for me, hurrah! And first post of today with clothes on, you'll all be thrilled to hear. I'm going to summarise where I'm at.
Koshi and rayn seem pretty-to-very town to me, at least if they are not I am not going to be catching them very soon. rayn thinks what I think a good bunch of the time. Koshi loves to vote for me d1 as town (not that that's the reason for the read, but ya know)
DP I am no longer particularly suspicious of, I don't think I have a reason to be.
VE I don't think I am suspicious of either. Some of his posts are very ?????? to me, but I don't think that makes him mafia. VE loves a big or crazy sort of play as mafia and he's not afraid to put himself out there, but I don't think it's like this?
Vivax I am unsure of. Tonally I think he looks fairly town, but before I looked at his filter just now I'm at least somewhat suspicious of him. It feels to me that a town-Vivax should be using all his irl leverage to really question and dig into MB's alignment, rather than giving occasional summaries of his thoughts. I just imagine myself in Vivax's position - I would want nothing more than to determine the alignment of my friend. I did re-read his filter though and it also didn't scream mafia particularly apart from that, random comment about MB being mafia spews me town, is that something he writes as mafia?
Slam could be anything (if there's a way to tell that I can't remember, enlighten me). LS I am also very null on.
MB I don't have much else to add than what Koshi said and my response to what Koshi said not long ago. Could easily be mafia, meatbaby - I really encourage you to post your thoughts and reasoning behind them as much as possible today
MZ I think is mafia. It was floating around in my brain yesterday, but the case against me at least looked clean and (some) of his posts maybe looked okay, so I wasn't sure how to pinpoint what I was thinking. But rayn's comments about MZ and how his posting style appeared to him in past games really resonated to me and helped me make sense of my thoughts. Actually his case against me is too clean/obvious, and I don't think he's actually trying to discern my alignment. I think he is playing the way an old-school scum player plays, relatively unruffly comments, targeting someone (me) that has at least some thread traction, a case that 'makes sense' but doesn't dig any further.
##vote: MZ
P.S. I am slightly sad that we have 2 non-posters, I hope at least 2 mafia sit in the people actually playing, or it's gonna be sucky.
To this?
On May 25 2023 02:38 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you still want to talk about MZ marv? What specifically? Sort of more interested in VE’s case on Vivax right now. I find it hard to believe and something doesn’t feel right about it. Or is it just me. Someone said something (Koshi?) about VE/MZ not being the same alignment, so any doubt I have on VE is now bleeding into my scumread on MZ.
Marv you don't have real reads dude. Your VE line makes zero sense here, it feels like you just threw his name up there for the sake of filling space. And your other read is DMB which, lets be honest, is the easiest read in the thread to make?
I can't believe after all your questions, this is what you came up with. Do you understand why I have such cognitive dissonance between the effort you put in yesterday with all the talking and your reads today? One blurb about my analysis being too clean and some nonsense about VE and I being the same but maybe a different alignment? I don't buy any of this.
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Sorry MZ, are you saying my read on VE shouldn’t change when new evidence comes to light?
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On May 25 2023 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like Slam's biggest "merit" in this game is to call one of your tip top scumreads conf town for basically no reason?
It's a tone read, gotta be honest and no offense to slam but I don't usually dig too deep into his D1 reads.
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Like VE’s Vivax case and my response are right there in the thread…
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On May 25 2023 03:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
And rayn I'm telling you that in my experience as town in that position figuring out the person's alignment feels important. You showing me why you think it's the opposite doesn't change my read of it, it just tells me you don't give a shit about what I'm saying. And I already knew that, can you see how counterproductive that is?
I am not sure what youre saying here. I am nowhere saying people should not figure out mebaby/Vivax alignment, in fact i am trying to do the opposite. I just know people work in a certain way. Like if i started calling you mafia with shit reasons here and that is all i would do, you would do exactly what Vivax did with mebaby and stop posting other stuff, and almost completely focus on answering my posts only.
It's not alignment indicative, especially towards being mafia. You can think she is town and vivax is mafia, and that's fine, hell you can even be right on that. but there is absolutely no way i am going to agree with you over myself at the moment. the only ways this situation gets "better" is if mebaby (who is already scummy) gets lynched, or she starts doing townie things, or vivax either scumtells or towntells real hard so there is no question about his alignment anymore.
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On May 25 2023 03:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 03:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
And rayn I'm telling you that in my experience as town in that position figuring out the person's alignment feels important. You showing me why you think it's the opposite doesn't change my read of it, it just tells me you don't give a shit about what I'm saying. And I already knew that, can you see how counterproductive that is? I am not sure what youre saying here. I am nowhere saying people should not figure out mebaby/Vivax alignment, in fact i am trying to do the opposite. I just know people work in a certain way. Like if i started calling you mafia with shit reasons here and that is all i would do, you would do exactly what Vivax did with mebaby and stop posting other stuff, and almost completely focus on answering my posts only. It's not alignment indicative, especially towards being mafia. You can think she is town and vivax is mafia, and that's fine, hell you can even be right on that. but there is absolutely no way i am going to agree with you over myself at the moment. the only ways this situation gets "better" is if mebaby (who is already scummy) gets lynched, or she starts doing townie things, or vivax either scumtells or towntells real hard so there is no question about his alignment anymore.
I'm referring specifically to Vivax and meat, not the rest of us.
You may not know this but my ex Becca has played here. I don't know if anyone here played with her, she only played one or two games. But I played Video Mafia with her too and my read on Vivax/meat is specifically based on my meta knowledge of that dynamic.
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On May 25 2023 03:20 marvellosity wrote:
On a more general, higher level about the whole game;
Town are fucked if both rayn and Koshi are mafia. Too much thread control. Fortunately I don’t think that is the case at all. If one is mafia (still don’t think so) then I’m sort of relying on the other to start calling them out.
So I take into account both of their opinion fairly strongly. So while I’m a lot less sure on MB than they are, if I’m going to follow 2 players it’s them, and that may be the right thing to do here.
Your aggression towards me is fairly bizarre though MZ. Assuming you are town, you must at least understand what I’m saying about you. You’re a good enough player to understand that a mafia playing ‘cleanly’ is very much a thing. So the fact you disregard that is weird.
Why are you just randomly throwing suspicion on them, do you think they're not town? What purpose does this serve other than to do exactly what I accused you of doing yesterday which is muddle up the thread.
My aggression from you stems from frustration because I know you good enough as a town player to have real reads at this point in the game and instead all you've got is a weak ass case against me which you're now defending with yet more WIFOM. I'm really left with no other conclusion that you're scum.
Also your VE progression is terrible, going from "not suspicious" to "something's not right" without explaining what you think about it isn't right is just more of the constant baseless and vague accusations I've come to expect from you this game.
I'm not really interested in reading any more posts by you unless they contain clear cases backed up with explanations to your thought process as to why you find someone scummy. I'm tired minimal effort.
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On May 25 2023 03:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 03:20 marvellosity wrote:
On a more general, higher level about the whole game;
Town are fucked if both rayn and Koshi are mafia. Too much thread control. Fortunately I don’t think that is the case at all. If one is mafia (still don’t think so) then I’m sort of relying on the other to start calling them out.
So I take into account both of their opinion fairly strongly. So while I’m a lot less sure on MB than they are, if I’m going to follow 2 players it’s them, and that may be the right thing to do here.
Your aggression towards me is fairly bizarre though MZ. Assuming you are town, you must at least understand what I’m saying about you. You’re a good enough player to understand that a mafia playing ‘cleanly’ is very much a thing. So the fact you disregard that is weird. Why are you just randomly throwing suspicion on them, do you think they're not town? What purpose does this serve other than to do exactly what I accused you of doing yesterday which is muddle up the thread. My aggression from you stems from frustration because I know you good enough as a town player to have real reads at this point in the game and instead all you've got is a weak ass case against me which you're now defending with yet more WIFOM. I'm really left with no other conclusion that you're scum. Also your VE progression is terrible, going from "not suspicious" to "something's not right" without explaining what you think about it isn't right is just more of the constant baseless and vague accusations I've come to expect from you this game. I'm not really interested in reading any more posts by you unless they contain clear cases backed up with explanations to your thought process as to why you find someone scummy. I'm tired minimal effort.
It’s like you’re purposefully misrepresenting what I’m saying, because everything you’re saying I’m saying here - I’m not.
I’m no longer engaging with you as whatever I say will get the same manic aggressive responses.
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For the record they are 2 of my biggest townreads - why else would I say it’s the right play to follow them if they feel strongly? Like come on
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@MZ: you are right. VE had mebaby in bolded green and not you.
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Meapak do you remember what was the last game you played here? I cant find with a quick search in database.
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imagine marv being mafia and going for the obvious mafia misslynch MZ and getting flak from town!MZ the entire game for it.
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On May 25 2023 03:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 03:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 25 2023 03:20 marvellosity wrote:
On a more general, higher level about the whole game;
Town are fucked if both rayn and Koshi are mafia. Too much thread control. Fortunately I don’t think that is the case at all. If one is mafia (still don’t think so) then I’m sort of relying on the other to start calling them out.
So I take into account both of their opinion fairly strongly. So while I’m a lot less sure on MB than they are, if I’m going to follow 2 players it’s them, and that may be the right thing to do here.
Your aggression towards me is fairly bizarre though MZ. Assuming you are town, you must at least understand what I’m saying about you. You’re a good enough player to understand that a mafia playing ‘cleanly’ is very much a thing. So the fact you disregard that is weird. Why are you just randomly throwing suspicion on them, do you think they're not town? What purpose does this serve other than to do exactly what I accused you of doing yesterday which is muddle up the thread. My aggression from you stems from frustration because I know you good enough as a town player to have real reads at this point in the game and instead all you've got is a weak ass case against me which you're now defending with yet more WIFOM. I'm really left with no other conclusion that you're scum. Also your VE progression is terrible, going from "not suspicious" to "something's not right" without explaining what you think about it isn't right is just more of the constant baseless and vague accusations I've come to expect from you this game. I'm not really interested in reading any more posts by you unless they contain clear cases backed up with explanations to your thought process as to why you find someone scummy. I'm tired minimal effort. It’s like you’re purposefully misrepresenting what I’m saying, because everything you’re saying I’m saying here - I’m not. I’m no longer engaging with you as whatever I say will get the same manic aggressive responses.
Ok I'm sorry for being so aggressive, it's not helping the thread. I'm gonna un tunnel myself and decide between DMB and vivax or maybe LighteningStrike.
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On May 25 2023 03:37 Koshi wrote:
imagine marv being mafia and going for the obvious mafia misslynch MZ and getting flak from town!MZ the entire game for it.
Tempting to say it would be worth my death to disprove that, but I don’t actually think that. I’d rather MZ engaged somewhat rationally and changed my mind. Alas!
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On May 25 2023 03:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 03:20 marvellosity wrote:
On a more general, higher level about the whole game;
Town are fucked if both rayn and Koshi are mafia. Too much thread control. Fortunately I don’t think that is the case at all. If one is mafia (still don’t think so) then I’m sort of relying on the other to start calling them out.
So I take into account both of their opinion fairly strongly. So while I’m a lot less sure on MB than they are, if I’m going to follow 2 players it’s them, and that may be the right thing to do here.
Your aggression towards me is fairly bizarre though MZ. Assuming you are town, you must at least understand what I’m saying about you. You’re a good enough player to understand that a mafia playing ‘cleanly’ is very much a thing. So the fact you disregard that is weird. Why are you just randomly throwing suspicion on them, do you think they're not town? What purpose does this serve other than to do exactly what I accused you of doing yesterday which is muddle up the thread. My aggression from you stems from frustration because I know you good enough as a town player to have real reads at this point in the game and instead all you've got is a weak ass case against me which you're now defending with yet more WIFOM. I'm really left with no other conclusion that you're scum. Also your VE progression is terrible, going from "not suspicious" to "something's not right" without explaining what you think about it isn't right is just more of the constant baseless and vague accusations I've come to expect from you this game. I'm not really interested in reading any more posts by you unless they contain clear cases backed up with explanations to your thought process as to why you find someone scummy. I'm tired minimal effort.
This is a pretty townie post regardless of marv his alignment.
MZ is like dafuq dude I am town and I am all you got?
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On May 25 2023 03:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 03:33 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2023 03:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 25 2023 03:20 marvellosity wrote:
On a more general, higher level about the whole game;
Town are fucked if both rayn and Koshi are mafia. Too much thread control. Fortunately I don’t think that is the case at all. If one is mafia (still don’t think so) then I’m sort of relying on the other to start calling them out.
So I take into account both of their opinion fairly strongly. So while I’m a lot less sure on MB than they are, if I’m going to follow 2 players it’s them, and that may be the right thing to do here.
Your aggression towards me is fairly bizarre though MZ. Assuming you are town, you must at least understand what I’m saying about you. You’re a good enough player to understand that a mafia playing ‘cleanly’ is very much a thing. So the fact you disregard that is weird. Why are you just randomly throwing suspicion on them, do you think they're not town? What purpose does this serve other than to do exactly what I accused you of doing yesterday which is muddle up the thread. My aggression from you stems from frustration because I know you good enough as a town player to have real reads at this point in the game and instead all you've got is a weak ass case against me which you're now defending with yet more WIFOM. I'm really left with no other conclusion that you're scum. Also your VE progression is terrible, going from "not suspicious" to "something's not right" without explaining what you think about it isn't right is just more of the constant baseless and vague accusations I've come to expect from you this game. I'm not really interested in reading any more posts by you unless they contain clear cases backed up with explanations to your thought process as to why you find someone scummy. I'm tired minimal effort. It’s like you’re purposefully misrepresenting what I’m saying, because everything you’re saying I’m saying here - I’m not. I’m no longer engaging with you as whatever I say will get the same manic aggressive responses. Ok I'm sorry for being so aggressive, it's not helping the thread. I'm gonna un tunnel myself and decide between DMB and vivax or maybe LighteningStrike.
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