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TankTopTiger
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My read on you is that you wanted to park yourself on someone unthinkingly. You wanted marv, but marv isn't killable D1. You wanted lurkers, but Marv wouldn't let you. Then you went Vivax and ran it all the way to the end. You even had vivax as a mild green read initially, then swung for the bleachers at them. I don't like your read on die_meatbaby as hard green. She's pure distilled chaos and you think you read her that confidently? There are other concerns that have been spelled out by others that I agree with (responses to post 324, your initial list post). Saying there is one mafia between DP and Marv is weird and doesn't seem to map to any internally consistent observation I can think of. Trying to sheep the first time player is also silly. @Marv are you known for having a stance on not lynching lurkers. Does VE have any right to be surprised by your stance? Is VE generally known for LOLing? | ||
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You mentioned the vig shot was bad for town, can you spell that out for me? I see it differently. | ||
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Why would VE and you (who were both tied to the train that saved MZ) want MZ to be mafia? Wouldn't that guarantee you guys are in more trouble than you currently are? The progress that would be made would be against you. Am I missing something? Eli5 please. | ||
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VE I'm leaning red. You I'm leaning green. But I can never be sure with you. In werewolf I think I've got a chance of catching you out when I can see your face, you slow down a bit when you're lying. But in forum mafia you seem like you've got a system for doing things that you could perform as either alignment. You get time to think things through and straighten everything out. You talk a pretty big game about how good you and others are at this, so I don't really have faith in myself to discern your alignment. | ||
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On May 26 2023 20:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: For TTT. This is exactly why marvellosity is town and how you can't see that from D1 is a bit beyond me. He's keeping town on track ALL times during D1, disagreeing/questioning the things he is not comfortable with and pointing out good points. This is what makes exceptional town player, not some big posts with "insight". Just look at Koshi and DP N1. That's not exceptional, hell that's not even good. They both are good town players, but the difference of keeping your head straight and looking for what's important in almost any situation makes the difference between good and exceptional. There is no way mafia marvellosity could do this, i mean like if everyone had their head straight as him, mafia would never ever win any games, you have to "make mistakes" in your thought process as mafia because you need your team to survive. It's very rare cases when you even could actually do that throughout the whole game, and marv's town play is so good it's basically impossible to imitate that as mafia. So there is that, i suggest you rethink your read on him if you are town, or mafia. TBH I don't even understand what they're saying. What decision is marv saying DP made? I obviously don't have the same filter as you do. Keeping your head straight isn't alignment indicative, in fact, since mafia are trying to be manipulative, I sort of expect them not to get down in the mud. It feels like you're conflating skill with alignment but my comprehension of your post is dogshit so maybe I'm wrong. So you think Marv is so good as town, he's just confirmed town if he doesn't make mistakes? TBH that feels stupid to me because then he just wins all his town games and loses all his scum games. And you think it's crazy I don't know this specific thing about Marv (it's beyond you?). I was already reconsidering my read on him and have said as much. | ||
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RE: Dodging I'm sort of tired of people deciding what I should be doing or thinking about. When I went after Marv, Koshi said I should be nailing down the newest player. This felt beyond stupid to me. Marv was avoiding providing evidence of his case (making me do it). Koshi avoided providing evidence that Marv was vetted (so I'd have to do it). And the whole time people have been telling me "no! you should be looking at MZ", the only person who seems willing to even consider the possibility that Marv shouldn't be default confirmed town. While I don't like DP's description of me, there's certainly something to it. I don't think I've got this game figured out, and while I'm playing to win, I'm also playing to figure out how to win. I am beyond dismissive of strategies like "just sheep the good players, who are definitely town". I won't ever do that. And despite all that, I was never parked on Marv as red. It just felt super wrong that everyone assumed he's town for what to me seemed like no reason. In particular, the way other people defended him (and at times he asked for people to defend him) just seems like he gets to control everything without ever putting his name on it. | ||
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I attacked Marv. I was told that's bad because Marv made the case on MZ and this was a good case actually. But apparently it wasn't a good case. So Marv wasn't a good town. Rayn you said Marv keeps town on track, but he "led" what would have been a mislynch. I'm getting confused signals. You guys were wrong and now you're telling me off for not being wrong with you. | ||
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I read the whole thread with the mindset of vanilla town before receiving my role. So whatever my reads were (regardless of my alignment now), they were genuine. My read on MZ was light green, and I thought the train on them was stupid backlash for questioning Marv. I thought Koshi was being super emotional and stupid about it (but I think his Vig shot was the right play from his position). I also thought (at the time) that DP wouldn't take the risk of switching early as scum, because his general approach to things is to be non-commital and then commit hard later unless there's a good catalyst for him. But from what I'm reading from other players about his playstyle in this game is that is not how he plays in this. | ||
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On May 26 2023 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah he said this. Unfortunately this should hold no relevance because the situation has changed drastically after Vivax flips town. Why does mafia!marv make "bad posts" about Meapak if there is no relevance on who gets lynched, hell he doesn't even need to push Meapak lynch. He still reads Koshi and rayn town in the same post. He indentifies us three (and DP) as town leaders, regardless of if that's true or not. Like with this information alone he SHOULD be considering Meapak's alignment again, before doing anything else. "Who i got a town read off" is not really anything, the read should be REALLY in depth considering three people who he thinks are town leaders voted for the guy, and one didn't (and was wrong). This is I think a place I can make my perspective clearer. I acknowledge that people respect you four, but that doesn't mean I respect your authority. I'm not here to fall in line, I don't see that as playing the game at all. So I can be aware of the influence you people have while being dismissive of accepting that influence myself. So basically, if you want to change my mind, it needs to be because of what you say, not who you are. In my mind it's actually insane how much people sheep considering that alignment is RNGed at the start of the game. | ||
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I'm gonna say a few things and they're not all necessarily compatible with each other, but that's my perception. Regarding Koshi's vig shot, I think in his mind if MZ flipped red he'd basically solved the game because then he'd have confirmed that the doctor lynch was to save scum and could bring the hammer down on VE. Regarding the NK on Koshi, I think Koshi was out of control and the mafia assumed that killing Koshi would make town take up his cause. I don't expect mafia to have predicted the vig shot, so they expected MZ to still be in play. So their vision for today was a continuation of yesterday, with MZ on the block vs. the fallout for the mislynch. I think either VE or DP is scum, and I have a light green read on DP. I kind of expect a diffuse approach from mafia, basically one on each wagon and one in the lurkers, or one on a wagon, an all-town wagon, and two lurkers. | ||
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On May 27 2023 08:19 VisceraEyes wrote: You're the one getting personal and calling people bad. I could be wrong about your intentions, because I'm fucking town and I don't know your alignment. But you're calling me bad which applies regardless of my alignment. Fuck you rayn. You're not going to gaslight me into thinking I'm doing anything wrong here, you're the one with a bad fucking attitude because I DARE question you. I'm playing the game. Maybe you don't like how I'm doing it, but I'm doing it. I'm not ruining shit. I never called you "all kinds of things" I said it was like I was playing with newbie rayn because it felt like you aren't considering simple shit that WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN PREVIOUS GAMES/POSTGAMES. And I did that ONE time. I'm not being mean to you or being offensive or anything like that. Maybe my reads are offensive to you. Maybe you dislike my reasoning. You were right that the Vivax read was wrong. Was it bad? Maybe. Maybe not. With a sample size of 2 I guess we'll find out eventually. So you're either trying to gaslight me intentionally because you're fucking mafia, or you're actually so full of yourself as town that you literally think anyone who has a different opinion from you is bad at the game. I'm going to be honest, I think maybe you're just town and a fucking dick. This brovado feels empty to me. Like VE is saying what he feels he should be saying, not what he thinks. | ||
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I'm currently light green on Marv, he seems to have picked up a bit day 2 and there is widespread agreement that this is his town meta. You're my top town read even if we're butting heads over dumb shit. Can I ask what sort of player vivax was? Was he someone who took pride in the chaos he sewed? | ||
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So to me, lynching VE also gives me a read on DP, who I know I will otherwise struggle with. Add to that that VE did blind lead a mob on a townie, has generally felt fake for a long time, seems to want to put attention on lurkers/trolls - VE is my top lynch for today by a pretty decent margin. ##: vote VisceraEyes I'm going to a lunch, I'll be back later before the lynch. I don't really see myself changing my mind on this, but hey surprises happen. | ||
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IIRC, at some point Vivax said they were "being more insane than even them" which sounds like what someone who otherwise plays a trolly style would say. | ||
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