TL Endures Mafia - Page 11

On May 25 2023 21:35 marvellosity wrote:
My evidence for everything I have done:

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/609557-tl-endures-mafia?user=marvellosity

You’re welcome

On May 25 2023 21:38 DarthPunk wrote:


He follows that post I linked with heaps prodding about MZ reads etc.

Basically, you can know this is the case because multiple people discussed sheeping marv, which means they were following his read and case, and that wouldn't be possible without Marv having made the case in the first place.

On May 25 2023 21:55 TankTopTiger wrote:
Okay so what I've got is that:

Rayn made a meta-claim about MZ's behaviour. (what was this claim?)
Marv slept on it and woke up agreeing with Rayn.
Marv then built on this, saying the case was too clean/obvious, and doesn't look like he was trying to discern Marv's alignment.
Everyone then sheeped Marv's compelling claim.

Is this a fair summary of why everyone thinks Marv is town?

On May 25 2023 21:58 TankTopTiger wrote:
Koshi, can you not think of a single reason why I would ask Marv to defend himself instead of asking the first-time player?

To a newcomer, you people are acting in lockstep with no rhyme or reason. I don't understand, and I don't expect someone who is also new to the scene to understand. So I'm asking the people I most expect to be able to answer my questions. That would be the people who apparently have it all figured out.

Can you please jump off Marv's lap if you're not going to help me? Thanks.

On May 25 2023 22:06 TankTopTiger wrote:
In retrospect, I should have got the sheep to spell out the case that they found so compelling. I'm not very good at this.

I find this weak. It feels vague to me. But I am aware that there is a lot of local knowledge I lack and can't verify. So I'm backing off for now (proving you don't deserve to be confirmed town isn't proving you mafia). I don't like how Koshi is tripping over himself defending you, it's weird.

On May 25 2023 22:41 TankTopTiger wrote:
That's not to say MZ not looking for alignment is not a good point (might be worth going through this later), but it's something that was simultaneously defensive. So to me, you were very passive and only exerted influence when threatened. I have high expectations for the contributions of DP, Reyn, Marv, and Koshi, so me not seeing any evidence of you having been proactive puts you grey at best for me.

On May 25 2023 22:52 Alakaslam wrote:

I became certain M_Z was town. I wasn't certain Vivax was.

It was in order to save MZ. Clearly, I now have more than a little regret.

On May 25 2023 23:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't think so. He voted for Vivax because of MZ made a good farewell post but the farewell post is actually really bad.

On May 25 2023 23:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sadly i think Chezinu is town UNLESS Meapak is town or the mafia team is exactly Meapak + Chezinu + Onegu. Onegu is voting off wagon and if onegu is town and meapak is mafia i highly doubt chezinu FIRST votes for Sentinel and only after that Vivax (Onegu voting for Meapak would have secured the lynch at any time -- so i doubt maf!chez would wait with his vote for that long anyways if town!onegu and maf!meapak).

On May 26 2023 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i have genuinely no idea why both VE and DP voted with the people they did instead of the people they didn't. It was not like Meapak was REALLY TOWNIE and Vivax REALLY SCUMMY in anyone's right mind.

On May 26 2023 00:11 Koshi wrote:

For me it was because MZ talked to him and his attacks/replies went from soft to hard.

But now that I reread it, MZ then brushed it off saying VE wasn't a high priority and put him as null in his next list post.