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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 12:36 GMT
#1459
On May 25 2023 21:35 marvellosity wrote:
My evidence for everything I have done:

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/609557-tl-endures-mafia?user=marvellosity

You’re welcome

^
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 12:39 GMT
#1462
And you can find Vivax’s comments on MZ within a couple of minutes of me posting that I believe.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 12:40 GMT
#1464
On May 25 2023 21:38 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 21:35 TankTopTiger wrote:
TBH You could just summarise it and I'll trust the collective other 10 people to fact check you. This doesn't have to be hard. We could already be done.


He follows that post I linked with heaps prodding about MZ reads etc.

Basically, you can know this is the case because multiple people discussed sheeping marv, which means they were following his read and case, and that wouldn't be possible without Marv having made the case in the first place.

Amen
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 12:57 GMT
#1469
On May 25 2023 21:55 TankTopTiger wrote:
Okay so what I've got is that:

Rayn made a meta-claim about MZ's behaviour. (what was this claim?)
Marv slept on it and woke up agreeing with Rayn.
Marv then built on this, saying the case was too clean/obvious, and doesn't look like he was trying to discern Marv's alignment.
Everyone then sheeped Marv's compelling claim.

Is this a fair summary of why everyone thinks Marv is town?

It’s a fair summary of my case.

What rayn said was that he did not remember MZ playing like this as town, that MZ tended to come across more ‘randomly’ to him (rayn) when MZ was town. That’s why it helped me click it into place with the clean stuff.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 13:03 GMT
#1473
On May 25 2023 21:58 TankTopTiger wrote:
Koshi, can you not think of a single reason why I would ask Marv to defend himself instead of asking the first-time player?

To a newcomer, you people are acting in lockstep with no rhyme or reason. I don't understand, and I don't expect someone who is also new to the scene to understand. So I'm asking the people I most expect to be able to answer my questions. That would be the people who apparently have it all figured out.

Can you please jump off Marv's lap if you're not going to help me? Thanks.

It is cosy though, you’re welcome to hop on
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 13:11 GMT
#1476
On May 25 2023 22:06 TankTopTiger wrote:
In retrospect, I should have got the sheep to spell out the case that they found so compelling. I'm not very good at this.

I find this weak. It feels vague to me. But I am aware that there is a lot of local knowledge I lack and can't verify. So I'm backing off for now (proving you don't deserve to be confirmed town isn't proving you mafia). I don't like how Koshi is tripping over himself defending you, it's weird.


‘Weak’ but same argument as confirmed town. Just saying.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 13:13 GMT
#1477
In all seriousness, what is vague about it?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 13:14 GMT
#1478
I don’t think you need local knowledge to understand anything that I said. They are typical mafia traits.

If you disagree, please tell me with what specifically.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 13:43 GMT
#1483
Okay, so you don’t understand that what I was getting at are typical mafia traits. Thanks for confirming.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 13:45 GMT
#1484
But yes, I also need to stop as I can feel myself getting a little irritated, and I’ve done pretty well so far not letting that bleed too much into my play.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 13:49 GMT
#1485
On May 25 2023 22:41 TankTopTiger wrote:
That's not to say MZ not looking for alignment is not a good point (might be worth going through this later), but it's something that was simultaneously defensive. So to me, you were very passive and only exerted influence when threatened. I have high expectations for the contributions of DP, Reyn, Marv, and Koshi, so me not seeing any evidence of you having been proactive puts you grey at best for me.

Putting aside the rest, I really invite you to look into the interactions between MZ and I. I would be surprised if you did not come to the conclusion that I was trying to get a better read on him and he was not doing the same thing.

I’d just like to say something else here. As I’ve been forced to defend myself a bit here, it’s also made me take a more ‘certain’ line on MZ than I actually feel. Do I think he’s mafia? Yes I do.
Do I think it’s 100% certain? No I really don’t. But I do think it’s a good case.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 13:53 GMT
#1488
On May 25 2023 22:52 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 16:31 marvellosity wrote:
On May 25 2023 07:45 Alakaslam wrote:
On May 25 2023 05:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv let me know when you're about to get off. Youre my top town aside from Koshi and DP is prolly town too and i don't even know what others are anymore, but if we can't figure this out here then we're super bad or i am wrong and even more bad, or all mafia are non-posters and game is invalid.

I am having trouble keeping up during breaks throughout the day but I resonate with this post so hard that I don't need to bold anything.

Why didn’t you vote with me?

I became certain M_Z was town. I wasn't certain Vivax was.

It was in order to save MZ. Clearly, I now have more than a little regret.

Sucker for a little bit of emotion eh?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 13:56 GMT
#1489
I sort of think Slam is town. Anyone want to discuss that with me?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 14:11 GMT
#1492
On May 25 2023 23:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 22:56 marvellosity wrote:
I sort of think Slam is town. Anyone want to discuss that with me?

I don't think so. He voted for Vivax because of MZ made a good farewell post but the farewell post is actually really bad.

I didn’t say I thought it was good. But I can get it.

Do you think mafia Slam plays like that? Genuine question as I have no idea.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 14:13 GMT
#1493
Basically I was furious with Slam when I saw the vote count, but for some reason less furious after I read the thread.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 15:03 GMT
#1515
Rayn or Koshi, can you remind me your reasoning why MZ/VE isn’t a likely team?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 15:04 GMT
#1516
On May 25 2023 23:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sadly i think Chezinu is town UNLESS Meapak is town or the mafia team is exactly Meapak + Chezinu + Onegu. Onegu is voting off wagon and if onegu is town and meapak is mafia i highly doubt chezinu FIRST votes for Sentinel and only after that Vivax (Onegu voting for Meapak would have secured the lynch at any time -- so i doubt maf!chez would wait with his vote for that long anyways if town!onegu and maf!meapak).

This makes sense to me
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 15:07 GMT
#1517
Something that DP said that did concern me was that he has too many townreads. Because I don’t feel that way at all.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 15:13 GMT
#1521
On May 26 2023 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i have genuinely no idea why both VE and DP voted with the people they did instead of the people they didn't. It was not like Meapak was REALLY TOWNIE and Vivax REALLY SCUMMY in anyone's right mind.

Quite simple for VE. If he’s town he just genuinely believes what he believes and he’s pigheaded about it. Nothing out of character there.

If he’s mafia he’s very brazenly just mislynching Vivax because he can. Also not out of character.

DP much less obvious.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 15:15 GMT
#1522
On May 26 2023 00:11 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2023 00:03 marvellosity wrote:
Rayn or Koshi, can you remind me your reasoning why MZ/VE isn’t a likely team?

For me it was because MZ talked to him and his attacks/replies went from soft to hard.

But now that I reread it, MZ then brushed it off saying VE wasn't a high priority and put him as null in his next list post.

Thanks, so it isn’t something too nailed on then. I really could see a maf VE charging into save maf MZ by getting ppl to pile on Vivax while people are asleep.

Don’t know if it’s likely, but it’s definitely plausible
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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