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On August 31 2022 10:59 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 10:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 31 2022 10:50 Rels wrote:On August 31 2022 10:49 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 31 2022 10:46 Rels wrote:
I'm very sorry, also while rereading the exchange I still don't like your posts. I really don't like how it seems that you want to grab an easy win while fearing to be too obvious What do you think i was trying to win? Something like, the justification for an easy scumread / vote And yet I didn't do that, so it doesn't make sense that that was my intention. I disagree that this proves anything. For example, it would make that you changed your mind since you apparently didn't really know how to handle Dandel. Not saying that's a proof, just a counter example.
So what about it seems like i'm trying to get a win?
I already explained why i wanted him to vote for me. Like 3 times. I was also pushing a bit because i felt there was a contradiction there, but I never tried to scumread him for it.
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On August 31 2022 11:01 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 10:58 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 31 2022 10:56 Rels wrote:What changed between those 2 posts? In the first, you're saying rayn was literally talking about mafia RB, and in the second, you have the correct interpretation of events. On August 30 2022 04:23 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 30 2022 04:22 Holyflare wrote:On August 30 2022 04:21 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 30 2022 04:16 deconduo wrote:On August 30 2022 04:15 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 30 2022 04:12 deconduo wrote:
Anyone who's posts I like always turns out to be mafia The question is, if you've noticed this pattern before, didn't you just vote for the people whose posts you liked? How did it go? Don't remember, its been years  Fair enough. On August 30 2022 04:17 deconduo wrote:
My old rule was always vote Palmar day 1 Oh its ok the rule is vote palmar day 1 or if he's not there vote holyflare. On August 30 2022 04:17 Holyflare wrote:
Wait where did Rayn clarify his post? I don't think the typo changes the question lol. His post makes sense after the clarification. It didn't before, I assume that why you posted 'what?'. Why does saying this game has a rber that doesn't rb make any sense? Can't find anything about it in the OP. I think he's saying that he's ok with it if it happens. On August 30 2022 19:43 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 30 2022 09:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:There was so much discussion of this quote: On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb For my own clarity rayn, this was the section of the OP that made you make this comment right? Mafia roleblocker has precedence. If mafia roleblocker and jailkeeper target each other the jailkeeper's action will not be counted.
It was in reference to a previous game, not the OP. Anyway, I agree, far too much discussion of that post. The two are not mutually exclusive. Think about it. He was referencing a previous game, while saying that in this game, he would be fine with the mafia rb not rbing. meh
There's no meh about it buddy. That's just what rayn said, and its what rayn meant, and rayn himself confirmed it pal.
The fact that his purpose for posting it was to do with vivax doesn't change the inherent meaning of the post itself guy.
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Well it wasn't really about the humour. I was trying to get something useful out of him, and although you are right and he wasn't really playing along, i thought maybe if push a bit he would say something that might be useful either now or later.
I also get frustrated when i have genuine questions and they are met with nonchalance or dismissive comments. This can lead to arguments going on too long. I often get accused of this type of thing. In fact, another example of this is about 3 posts up from this 
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On August 31 2022 11:24 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2022 19:12 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 30 2022 03:04 deconduo wrote:
So we are definitely lynching Chezinu D1 right? Deconduo's first post. I'm calling it now. If one of decon or chezinu is mafia, the other is too. Like obviously we're never lynching chezinu on day one and posting this is a good way to get some suspicion on anyone who agrees with him and tries to lynch chez. Also, it might just be a joke post, but even if it is, i think its possible to make this connection from it. Serious question to decon:Can you go back through your posts, there's been plenty of them, and tell us which ones we can take seriously, except for the posts you make telling us not to take other posts seriously? Because it seems to me like every time you post something and someone comments on it, its either a joke post, or you didn't actually mean what you were saying, or its tongue in cheek. If you don't put your tongue back in its natural position sometime soon you're at a terrible risk of it getting stuck in your cheek. This it it right for dec?
Pretty much.
There wasn't much to say at the time because all of his posts turned out to be jokes as soon as anyone questioned them.
So that's all there is to analyse, and it looks pretty scummy to me.
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Rels why is vivax a good vig target in your opinion, but apparently a bad lynch target as you won't vote for him?
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On August 31 2022 11:37 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 11:32 Jockmcplop wrote:
Rels why is vivax a good vig target in your opinion, but apparently a bad lynch target as you won't vote for him? I think his flip will be random given what he has posted. He just hasn't started playing. I also think scum!Vivax is pretty easy to catch when given time, town!Vivax is pretty tryhard when he gets starting. In a way scum!Vivax is not able to replicate in my recollection, or at least not during multiple days. To be clear, I'll vote for him over a lot of other people if I had to vote right now. But we still have time before deadline, and I would prefer Slam.
Ok so,
If Vivax's flip would be random, and you'd vote for him over a lot of other people, that means you read a lot of people as better than random chance of flipping town.
Which people?
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On August 31 2022 11:53 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 11:39 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 31 2022 11:37 Rels wrote:On August 31 2022 11:32 Jockmcplop wrote:
Rels why is vivax a good vig target in your opinion, but apparently a bad lynch target as you won't vote for him? I think his flip will be random given what he has posted. He just hasn't started playing. I also think scum!Vivax is pretty easy to catch when given time, town!Vivax is pretty tryhard when he gets starting. In a way scum!Vivax is not able to replicate in my recollection, or at least not during multiple days. To be clear, I'll vote for him over a lot of other people if I had to vote right now. But we still have time before deadline, and I would prefer Slam. Ok so, If Vivax's flip would be random, and you'd vote for him over a lot of other people, that means you read a lot of people as better than random chance of flipping town. Which people? rayn is town. Like, 101% town, it's cheating because it's too easy. I know him very well. Him being frustrated at me and wanting to be modkilled I was not playing when I pushed him to play is extremely real, and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't play that card if he was scum as it would be cheating in his mind. There are other stuff, but that's the cheating part. (other stuff: his plan at beginning felt very rayn-like, could have been faked, but the setup wasn't there when I checked when I confirmed 24 hours before the game, so he woulldn't have known there was a possible mafia RB) Koshi is town. Like, 95% town. His opening spray of posts are perfect Koshi, seeing a weird stuff that might make sense, and then jumping from there, sometimes changing his mind ... Koshi is pretty easy to catch as scum I think because he just ... doesn't do that lol. Then the maybe towns: CopCake, the post I highlighted earlier is pretty townie, and what she was being pushed for by Koshi might actually make sense. MZ, I really liked his opening posts basically. Let me see why. Oh yeah, entering the thread with 3 straight scumreads and no townreads. Didn't feel like MZ entered the thread trying to blend in or being townread by the rest of the town. This needs a meta check to stand. HF, pretty good posts overall, and in particular pretty good case on Slam, highlighting the post I hate the most in the game so far.
OK
I've a fairly good idea of where you're at.
I would say, however, that I've played with rayn as scum before and he's done exactly this kind of thing (getting upset and threatening to leave the game) on day 1, which in my eyes at least throws a bit of doubt on your reason for townreading him.
I don't have a solid read on rayn yet, but i think its worth pointing out.
I shall try and go and find this previous game i'm talking about, but my memory is sieve like so it might take me a while.
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Meh rels i can't find the game i was thinking of and its 4am here so i'm going to bed. If you want me to post it tomorrow just leave a note here and i will find it.
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On August 31 2022 20:03 Dandel Ion wrote:
Rels is keeping his options open and not in a good way
##Vote: Rels
it's real now
I could see this being true, for sure.
He's doubling down on weird things, repeating stuff others have said, and being pretty ambiguous about much of the other stuff.
In fact, I'm adding rels to my vote list.
Our chat last night really went nowhere. He didn't even try to get any new information out of me even though he was questioning me about all of his concerns and ended up still at the same point he was before he asked the questions.
I'm like I was answering all his questions without being evasive or arguing, why can't he use that to progress his reads, or the game somehow. Instead he's still stuck on rayn's very first post which generated nothing useful? I don't buy it to be honest, and nothing has really changed at all from that interaction, except for i now scumread rels.
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I'm getting a tinfoil about rels and decon. They're both in my mafia list anyway, but the way they read each other is weird.
Rels reading decon:
On August 31 2022 11:40 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 11:29 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 31 2022 11:24 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 19:12 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 30 2022 03:04 deconduo wrote:
So we are definitely lynching Chezinu D1 right? Deconduo's first post. I'm calling it now. If one of decon or chezinu is mafia, the other is too. Like obviously we're never lynching chezinu on day one and posting this is a good way to get some suspicion on anyone who agrees with him and tries to lynch chez. Also, it might just be a joke post, but even if it is, i think its possible to make this connection from it. Serious question to decon:Can you go back through your posts, there's been plenty of them, and tell us which ones we can take seriously, except for the posts you make telling us not to take other posts seriously? Because it seems to me like every time you post something and someone comments on it, its either a joke post, or you didn't actually mean what you were saying, or its tongue in cheek. If you don't put your tongue back in its natural position sometime soon you're at a terrible risk of it getting stuck in your cheek. This it it right for dec? Pretty much. There wasn't much to say at the time because all of his posts turned out to be jokes as soon as anyone questioned them. So that's all there is to analyse, and it looks pretty scummy to me. I see what you mean reading his filter in isolation. Not a lot of substance. But while reading the actual game, I thought his interactions were pretty natural.
He accepts that the reason i read him as scum is both true and valid, but then counters with 'but it looks natural'.
That's a very weak way to counter the points made against decon.
Of course, I'm open to the possibility that this is just rels hedging and not necessarily a link that makes them both mafia.
On August 31 2022 04:36 deconduo wrote:
Matt will either appear or be killed off at this point so
##Vote: Rels for now, posting just enough to not get modkilled
All rels has to do is turn up and post some, which he promptly does.
Then decon quickly unvotes him without further participation.
On August 31 2022 19:48 deconduo wrote:
Rels is alive, that's good.
##: Unvote
The whole thing looks mutually weird.
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I know this isn't some massive case but its not just me, right?
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On August 30 2022 23:06 deconduo wrote:
We're allowed to unvote and switch votes right? Don't see anything about it in the OP
Saying this before voting for rels adds a further layer of tinfoil to my hat.
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More decon
There's zero attempt to progress his reads throughout the day.
He's doing alot of fighting against rayn's posts about him, but it hasn't seemed to arouse any suspicion that rayn might be mafia, even though he claims rayn's entire case on him was meta from 8 years ago.
Given that rayn is a good town player, that would at least make me suspicious if i was decon.
But all I get from his filter is that he's interested in both MZ and holyflare without actually attempting to go any further than that.
##Unvote: Vivax
##Vote: Deconduo
For someone who has posted a fair amount, there's a startling lack of actual content.
Read his filter. Tell me I'm wrong.
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Also koshi has made a fairly convincing case for letting vivax live for now.
I am also giving rels some credit for that too, hence the vote for decon.
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On August 31 2022 21:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
Rels is mafia and as a tight little bonus i'm pretty sure that if he flips red decon is the next scum.
MY MAN
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Oh this is good news.
DI you are my tip top town right now. That was some mind meld. I didn't even know you were around lol.
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On August 31 2022 21:47 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 21:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
He's doing alot of fighting against rayn's posts about him, but it hasn't seemed to arouse any suspicion that rayn might be mafia, even though he claims rayn's entire case on him was meta from 8 years ago.
Given that rayn is a good town player, that would at least make me suspicious if i was decon.
Rayn reads like a tunnel vision townie rather than scum, someone who has (wrongly) made their mind up and won't change it. I've seen nothing to suggest Rayn is a good town player so far this game. There was an inkling when they went to the effort of reading my old games, but again it was pointless because it's clear there was only one going to be outcome when tunneled. I don't see scum purposefully trying to build a bad case, everything points to dumb town. Good town players don't whine and throw tantrums and ask to be modkilled either.
Hmm...
I suppose this carries weight because Decon doesn't play much, but rayn is a good scumhunter, so it depends whether they have played together alot in the past.
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On August 31 2022 21:49 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 21:47 deconduo wrote:On August 31 2022 21:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
He's doing alot of fighting against rayn's posts about him, but it hasn't seemed to arouse any suspicion that rayn might be mafia, even though he claims rayn's entire case on him was meta from 8 years ago.
Given that rayn is a good town player, that would at least make me suspicious if i was decon.
Rayn reads like a tunnel vision townie rather than scum, someone who has (wrongly) made their mind up and won't change it. I've seen nothing to suggest Rayn is a good town player so far this game. There was an inkling when they went to the effort of reading my old games, but again it was pointless because it's clear there was only one going to be outcome when tunneled. I don't see scum purposefully trying to build a bad case, everything points to dumb town. Good town players don't whine and throw tantrums and ask to be modkilled either. Hmm... I suppose this carries weight because Decon doesn't play much, but rayn is a good scumhunter, so it depends whether they have played together alot in the past.
Shit i thought your post came from DI, misread the name at the top.
Don't argue against my case, friend, go find scum. Its the only thing that will change my mind about you.
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On August 31 2022 21:47 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 21:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
More decon
There's zero attempt to progress his reads throughout the day.
He's doing alot of fighting against rayn's posts about him, but it hasn't seemed to arouse any suspicion that rayn might be mafia, even though he claims rayn's entire case on him was meta from 8 years ago.
Given that rayn is a good town player, that would at least make me suspicious if i was decon.
But all I get from his filter is that he's interested in both MZ and holyflare without actually attempting to go any further than that.
##Unvote: Vivax
##Vote: Deconduo
For someone who has posted a fair amount, there's a startling lack of actual content.
Read his filter. Tell me I'm wrong. done too much reading already, want rels first
Go for it, I can change vote later if no-one is biting on the decon vote. I'm around until EoD anyway.
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On August 31 2022 21:53 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 21:24 Jockmcplop wrote:I'm getting a tinfoil about rels and decon. They're both in my mafia list anyway, but the way they read each other is weird. Rels reading decon: On August 31 2022 11:40 Rels wrote:On August 31 2022 11:29 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 31 2022 11:24 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 19:12 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 30 2022 03:04 deconduo wrote:
So we are definitely lynching Chezinu D1 right? Deconduo's first post. I'm calling it now. If one of decon or chezinu is mafia, the other is too. Like obviously we're never lynching chezinu on day one and posting this is a good way to get some suspicion on anyone who agrees with him and tries to lynch chez. Also, it might just be a joke post, but even if it is, i think its possible to make this connection from it. Serious question to decon:Can you go back through your posts, there's been plenty of them, and tell us which ones we can take seriously, except for the posts you make telling us not to take other posts seriously? Because it seems to me like every time you post something and someone comments on it, its either a joke post, or you didn't actually mean what you were saying, or its tongue in cheek. If you don't put your tongue back in its natural position sometime soon you're at a terrible risk of it getting stuck in your cheek. This it it right for dec? Pretty much. There wasn't much to say at the time because all of his posts turned out to be jokes as soon as anyone questioned them. So that's all there is to analyse, and it looks pretty scummy to me. I see what you mean reading his filter in isolation. Not a lot of substance. But while reading the actual game, I thought his interactions were pretty natural. He accepts that the reason i read him as scum is both true and valid, but then counters with 'but it looks natural'. That's a very weak way to counter the points made against decon. Of course, I'm open to the possibility that this is just rels hedging and not necessarily a link that makes them both mafia. On August 31 2022 04:36 deconduo wrote:
Matt will either appear or be killed off at this point so
##Vote: Rels for now, posting just enough to not get modkilled All rels has to do is turn up and post some, which he promptly does. Then decon quickly unvotes him without further participation. On August 31 2022 19:48 deconduo wrote:
Rels is alive, that's good.
##: Unvote The whole thing looks mutually weird. ----- I know this isn't some massive case but its not just me, right? Rels had made 3 posts and everyone else (except Chez) was contributing. -> Pressure vote on Rels made 2 pages of posts -> pressure vote off Not really much more to it
Like I said before, don't argue against my case, go find scum. If you think my case is weak, maybe i'm scum, so figure out why and tell us.
So far you haven't done any of this.
A pressure vote is only good if it leads somewhere.
Let me ask you something, was rels simply posting alot of words enough for you to remove your vote, or was it something that he actually said that suggests to you he isn't mafia?
Because if he is mafia, telling him that you are voting for him because he hasn't posted much and then immediately removing your votes from him when he posts more words isn't a great way to put pressure on someone.
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On August 31 2022 22:14 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 22:09 CopCake wrote:On August 31 2022 22:05 deconduo wrote:On August 31 2022 22:04 CopCake wrote:On August 31 2022 21:57 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 31 2022 21:53 deconduo wrote:On August 31 2022 21:24 Jockmcplop wrote:I'm getting a tinfoil about rels and decon. They're both in my mafia list anyway, but the way they read each other is weird. Rels reading decon: On August 31 2022 11:40 Rels wrote:On August 31 2022 11:29 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 31 2022 11:24 Rels wrote:
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This it it right for dec? Pretty much. There wasn't much to say at the time because all of his posts turned out to be jokes as soon as anyone questioned them. So that's all there is to analyse, and it looks pretty scummy to me. I see what you mean reading his filter in isolation. Not a lot of substance. But while reading the actual game, I thought his interactions were pretty natural. He accepts that the reason i read him as scum is both true and valid, but then counters with 'but it looks natural'. That's a very weak way to counter the points made against decon. Of course, I'm open to the possibility that this is just rels hedging and not necessarily a link that makes them both mafia. On August 31 2022 04:36 deconduo wrote:
Matt will either appear or be killed off at this point so
##Vote: Rels for now, posting just enough to not get modkilled All rels has to do is turn up and post some, which he promptly does. Then decon quickly unvotes him without further participation. On August 31 2022 19:48 deconduo wrote:
Rels is alive, that's good.
##: Unvote The whole thing looks mutually weird. ----- I know this isn't some massive case but its not just me, right? Rels had made 3 posts and everyone else (except Chez) was contributing. -> Pressure vote on Rels made 2 pages of posts -> pressure vote off Not really much more to it Like I said before, don't argue against my case, go find scum. If you think my case is weak, maybe i'm scum, so figure out why and tell us. So far you haven't done any of this. A pressure vote is only good if it leads somewhere. Let me ask you something, was rels simply posting alot of words enough for you to remove your vote, or was it something that he actually said that suggests to you he isn't mafia? Because if he is mafia, telling him that you are voting for him because he hasn't posted much and then immediately removing your votes from him when he posts more words isn't a great way to put pressure on someone. This is top tier town. I dunno, feels a bit forced/tryhard? Maybe its just me The mindset is pretty townie. He is sure about you but gives space for you to hunt mafia. If he is wrong, then he is wrong, we all make mistakes as town. 'Here is a case against you - but no no you can't respond to all the faults in it. Go hunt scum' It's protecting himself against any criticism against holes in the case, and either: - I don't find scum and he pushes a lynch while sitting back happy - I find scum - he takes credit for 'forcing me to go hunt' Very convenient.
Nah anyone can criticize my post, it just doesn't carry much weight coming from you
As for:
- I don't find scum and he pushes a lynch while sitting back happy
- I find scum - he takes credit for 'forcing me to go hunt'
This is pretty much correct.
I'm perfectly happy with my case on you, i think its as good as its going to get on day 1, so unless you change my mind by doing something townie looking, i'm perfectly happy to sit here with my vote on you (unless no-one else goes for it, in which case i switch to rels later).
Although i'm not that interested in credit for forcing you to scumhunt, it'd just be nice to see you trying to help win the game for town.
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