Chezinu streak(s) Mafia - Page 18

On August 30 2022 22:23 Holyflare wrote:
Playing on MU has ruined this website for me lol.

Also, I've grown and adapted as a human being so take this in full faith that I, as a townie, am doing this with the utmost sincerity because I really liked Koshi's MZ points (yes, this parrots what Rayn is saying above). I just think he extrapolated the read a smidge too far to apply it to copcake and then distracted himself.

##Vote MZ

On August 30 2022 16:43 Koshi wrote:
I think MZ and copcake are potential mafia. I want to give MZ points for pointing copcake out but I can't.

On August 30 2022 16:47 Koshi wrote:
Quick reasoning so they can defend themselves:
MZ: sticking out but not in a helpful way. Creating discussion around problems he created. Like "this joke" is mafia. Yes, I like Tube for pointing out the joke reads were hilarious. Should I like MZ for helping me like Tube? No. I dont think I will. But maybe I should. MZ helped me like Tube. Hmmm

Copcake: there was a post in the beginning I felt didnt fit in the thread. Cant remember what it was. I will revisit later.

On August 30 2022 16:49 Koshi wrote:
Ah no. If MZ is mafia. Tube called him out. I like Tube. MZ still mafia. That I like tube doesnt change that.

On August 30 2022 22:40 Holyflare wrote:
You are wrong.

MZ: sticking out but not in a helpful way. Creating discussion around problems he created. Like "this joke" is mafia. Yes, I like Tube for pointing out the joke reads were hilarious. Should I like MZ for helping me like Tube? No. I dont think I will. But maybe I should. MZ helped me like Tube. Hmmm

On August 30 2022 23:06 deconduo wrote:
We're allowed to unvote and switch votes right? Don't see anything about it in the OP

On August 30 2022 22:57 Holyflare wrote:
Well you're right about me being lazy, I didn't really extrapolate more because I feel like Koshi summed up MZ pretty well. I think his posts are a bit robotic, needlessly antagonistic and nitpicky about things that I don't think people would normally take qualms with.

Koshi's post:



Then he gets distracted with copcake and his copcake read is causing him to have back and forth thoughts on MZ. For instance, even though he concludes that it's probably tinfoil and could be a bus I think if you read between the lines in #285 his mind kind of settles on that maybe he's taking the MZ read too far (at least IMO).

After a bit of back and forth with Cop, he then kinda derails even further and just throws out random names.

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As far as MZ is concerned:

• #246 I don't think Copcake could be considered fluff posting at any stage of the game (in fact, I get the same tinfoil vibes that Koshi did even because Copcake is such a random name to throw out that it doesn't look like anything more than partner vibes). In my view, it's obvious why Cop was asking Rayn about if I was in the game because that leads to the evaluation of whether what I'm posting has any merit to it or not. It doesn't seem like fluff at all. This is made even worse because #247 in the very next post he's even asking Rayn about his original post. Sure, it's a clarification and slightly helpful but it's the height of hypocrisy just after saying Cop was fluff posting about stuff like this.

• I think his general approach to Dec has been bad. Dec's post was obviously a joke, I'd made like 1 post calling myself town. In the same breath that he calls Dec mafia in #250 for not making it an obvious joke, he's highlighting my post saying "This is an obvious joke" but not putting two and two together that that was basically the only post I made so Dec's post is obviously massively facetious. In my mind, I would expect MZ to admit he might have misread it as serious when it was a joke and back off a bit but he doubles down and that's bad.

• #252 is what I would classify in my initial summary as "robotic". The "agree to disagree" into "talk to me about Jock" into "what do you think of Cop?" is such an awkwardly written post in comparison to anything else he's done. It feels clumsy, like he doesn't actually care about the follow up but he's just kind of leaving out empty questions. He hasn't elaborated any more about Cop since his first statement, hasn't highlighted any posts about Cop, nor has he been really determined to do anything about Cop. Compare this to what he talked about with regards to Dec and the tinfoil team is just reinforced even further.

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Hope that clarifies stuff for you.

On August 30 2022 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi top town. I sm not sure if stuff on Cake and MZ makrs them mafia but nevertheless its legit stuff and townie thought process. Esp on MZ he uses very weird narratives in his scumhunting on what he thinks makes people mafia. Pretty sure he got lynched for it as town last game i played with him.

On March 02 2019 11:28 Jockmcplop wrote:


Well he always seems to use a question to imply suspicion, but doesn't press for an answer to the question afterwards and is happy to argue about his own motivations instead.



He starts off with LS. First the above post, and then:



Again using a simple one line question to imply suspicion on LS.



The he changes up and goes after conversion, again by asking a simple question deigned to imply suspicion, this time implying suspicion whilst claiming to assume no suspicion:




Here again he says its probably BS, but goes on to say he's 'even more interested now'.
This is a little bit contradictory.





Then all of a sudden he really starts pushing the 'suspicion' angle again contradicting his claimthat he thinks it was BS by saying its a safe mafia move to make that kind of post.



After this he drops the thing and goes back to suspecting LS..

All the while the town has gained nothing but a couple of pages of contradictions and random looking suspicion.

On August 30 2022 23:22 Holyflare wrote:
It's fine if you disagree but I'm still going to pursue the MZ avenue because I will never trust anyone's individual meta reads over my own basic fact finding and interrogation on a game by game basis.

I think your explanation and Rayn's fit into the same category, although I think Rayn's can come from mafia sometimes since I feel like the explanation on Koshi is a bit overexplain-y and sure about himself (but it's been a while since I've played with rayn properly and in the back of my head it seems to fit with my picture of rayn just fine anyway).

I'm happy to give Rayn the benefit of the doubt and call him townie for it because building up town reads, especially in the form of Koshi, is nothing but beneficial in the early game and I think highlighting that Koshi got eliminated in the last game for doing the same thing really narrows down that avenue for a miselimination if Rayn were mafia (which I don't think would be his angle).

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Vivax is in a bit of an odd spot. I've played a couple of games with him on MU and while he's been somewhat aloof in those games, there's been times where he's really driven down wild narratives/explanations that I haven't seen here yet. I don't think his vote on MZ is bad, obviously, and I don't really think saying it's the first filter he opened is bad lol but I do understand why he's not posting as much here. It's a bit of a tedious experience comparatively for quality of life features :D

Temporarily postponing thoughts on Vivax until he posts something useful that I disagree vehemently with (in which case he's probably town :D), or MZ shines like a townie beacon.

On August 30 2022 23:30 CopCake wrote:
Let me get this right, HF.

There is a world in which me and Ziphh could be mafia together just because he threw my name out of nowhere?

Ooppss, I am super mafia for asking another thing.

On August 30 2022 23:07 Holyflare wrote:
To clarify, I don't think Cop is scummy independently currently, I just have tinfoil purely based on MZ speculation.

On August 30 2022 21:37 Koshi wrote:
Ok then I call Rels, rayn and Hf all 3 mafia.

On August 30 2022 21:45 Vivax wrote:


Stuff happened, and also this is the first game on here in ages and I don't want to lynch anyone tbh