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On December 02 2020 09:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2020 09:39 Hapahauli wrote:
What was the thought behind shooting Shockeyy? It's tough to ask mafia to play a perfect game, but that felt like that really hurt mafia going into D3. Losing a mislynch target and a potential JK target for Trfel hurts. It's in the qt. Unexpected jail by Trfel anyway, when did you start scumreading rayn? Show nested quote +On December 02 2020 09:37 DoYouHas wrote:
town had one chance at winning this game and for this mechanical resolution to take place, and that was Trfel correctly blocking the person carrying scumKP out of 3 totally viable targets. That was not an easy task and shouldn't be cheapened. Definitely a good pick. The lack of CCs from our part also gave Trfel all the wiggle room he wanted. I couldn't have claimed to have jailed Hapa N1 though since he wasn't a townread. Honestly it was a really close call. It came all down to WIFOM, I reasoned that we both (me and mafia) figured I knew Vivax was mafia. So I took the risk that I wasn't going to roleblock Vivax, which left me open to WIFOM, but I thought you guys would make me figure it out between raynpelikoneet and Hapahauli. It was honestly a really really really really really close decision.
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I feel especially bad for you guys that you didn't even realize that it was a possibility for the kill to be blocked  Reading the scum qt, seems like you guys had a few moments where there were misunderstandings about game mechanics. Sorry about that You guys definitely would have won otherwise. What a scumteam, great play from both.
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Also, absolutely amazing bluehunting! Next level.
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Going through the mafia QT is a treat. It's been a long time since I've played in a game with two experienced mafia players.
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I put in some hard hitting analysis at the end of the obs QT. 
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On December 02 2020 09:55 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2020 09:18 Tictock wrote:On November 30 2020 10:28 Tictock wrote:
Like I know you are down to a pool of Rayn/Vivax/Myself, assuming I read ok
So I suppose I would have to accept a Rayn/Vivax world Last thing I will pull up Hapa I was really hoping you would enguage me on this. I understand you were burnt out from being interrogated by mafia!Ryan but this was why I went hard on you because I felt as town this was our chance to work together. Yeah mental state was not such that I could have avoided lynching you. I think. Which is ofc my fault.
No worries, I was hyper focused to tunneled on you for awhile that last day. Rayn coming back and continuing the push on you over anything else was what finally got me to see the truth. However by then it was a bit too late and I did not have the energy to really push Rayn which was why I made that "not getting into this, we lynch Vivax" post.
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On December 02 2020 10:18 Grackaroni wrote:I put in some hard hitting analysis at the end of the obs QT.
Who were you planning on recruiting if you lived?
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On December 02 2020 10:19 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2020 10:18 Grackaroni wrote:I put in some hard hitting analysis at the end of the obs QT. Who were you planning on recruiting if you lived?
I was going to recruit Slam
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That was amazing. Especially from the scum team! I finally got Vivax way late but Rayn kept the dust in my face the entire game! (Vivax almost did too!)
This has been one of those games I regret not being able to play.. Massive thank for all though! I've not been so invested in following a game I'm not in for a long time!
Thanks Grey & DYH for hosting <3!
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Ok so I am bad at doing grand post game analysis because I am usually too focused on keeping the machine running smoothly to really do it too well. That being said here are my thoughts.
Really, everyone played very well, so there are not a lot of key mistakes. This is evidenced by how the last day was so close and contentious. Props to all. Sorry Grack. Slam would have been a great choice.
Note: if EM recruited mayor, mayor would die if EM died even if bodyguard was alive. So not as crazy.
Key mistake from town happened at the jock lynch. It allowed Rayn to really take command, allowed Vivax to slip into the background, and set the game up for a brutal ending.
Mafia had 2 minor misplays. First is shockeyy kill, but it’s not that bad. It was a blue snipe and I might have done the same.
On this last night, Vivax should have carried the kill and roleblock. That way if it’s prevented Rayn can bus Vivax more convincingly and be in a good spot to get rid of Hapa.
Mechanics of roleblocks aside (and I do feel as though I made it all clear, regardless of misunderstandings) I am proud of how you all played this game. I would use this to teach mafia I think.
In the future, I would do what I normal do and make resolution priority clear in the OP. I would remove watcher from the role list and not have a pardoner. Bodyguard I like. I am also a big fan of something other than just a standard lynch on day 1.
Hey, 6000th post
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I am not gonna lie i had to root for shockeyy kill because he is dad and we killed slam 
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On December 02 2020 09:50 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2020 09:44 GreYMisT wrote:
I’ll post my thoughts later, thanks for playing everyone! It got rough at the end here for me a hit emotionally, but this was really a great game. Good play all around and a lot to learn from.
DYH was amazing and went OFF on the flavor. I would give him and inch and he would make it a mile. Soz why, I hope it wasn't because I have the finesse of a bludgeon. Either way not a problem (for me) since we're here to argue&guess&lie and at worst the setup was cause for two disappointed tryhards.
Mad at myself, not you or our conversation. Frankly I ran a lot of this game from my phone while holding my son, so my priorities are aligned differently nowadays. I am more disappointed that a misunderstanding about mechanics/the mechanics themselves changed the game when that was explicitly my goal here - to have a game of mafia with only slightly less than standard roles.
Your play in this game should not be taken lightly. You were on most scum lists but didn’t get lynched. Just slipping by is very impressive
I also must sleep. I am happy to take questions and address suggestions when I wake up (when my son decides that for me).
I may run my PYP game soon, but I need a break from hosting for just a bit. I might do another of these semi open setups sooner.
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So what happened? We lost?
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It looks like Vivax conceded
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You evil man you!
Jk, well played friend !
You even had me hooked on Hapa. I wanted to say m!Rayn but it just didn't make sense to me.. The only thing that send up big red flags was the 'rage' posting shit fight with Hapa. I basically knew one of the two of you was scum.. Sadly I lynched town in that scenario.. Very well played for everyone. You guys got fucked by luck and mechanics.
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On December 02 2020 12:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So what happened? We lost? You guys lost on a game mechanics technicality, unfortunately.
It's a mafia victory in everyone's heart though. Incredibly well played, I'm honestly amazed at how well you guys did this game.
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why not just make every town unkillable, it would be fair. bye.
apparenylt i also conceded without conceding, double bye.
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On December 02 2020 12:18 Grackaroni wrote:
It looks like Vivax conceded
Yeah from what I can see from QTs Vivax called it because I mean.. He was right. There isn't much left to do when everyone suspects you and your partner just got fucking huge sign 'IM MAFIA!!' Hard spot to be in
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EPT
