[M][T] Aperture Mafia 4, Episode 2 - Page 3

On October 30 2020 07:40 yamato77 wrote:
Trusting Dirk is difficult for me. The aware miller-ish aspect adds a layer of strangeness to what is already quite a convoluted role. If anything his post seems to be focused mainly on keeping himself alive for a vague promise of maybe helping town in 5 cycles, which is a long time. This sounds more like an actual survivor claim than any "actually town but may appear 3p" like he said. I don't think he's telling the 100% truth. Then again, the precedent in this very game is to hide one's own power level, so to speak, so I don't exactly think that means he's mafia. Another great candidate to check with the Library.

I don't think we should be asking about what corruption will do when we have so many claims to evaluate. Perhaps if it increases to 2 we could see what would happen at 3 but right now at 1 there's not much point if I read the OP correctly.

Rayn's return to the thread has been less than inspiring. Among a litany of list posts his seems mostly aimed at staying stuck in his reads he made hours ago and dismissing anything that has happened since. That said he is no stranger to confirmation bias so it's not particularly alignment indicative for him to not have developed further.

What's hilarious about this is that I actually find myself agreeing with him about the corruption level now that I think about it. I might choose to go myself and gain some information. I don't think I'm going to take any action involving my role as it exists now. That may change later on, because I don't know much about my role!

I didn't realize a different mini actually had multiple scum teams, but the OP reads as if there's only one (especially given the stated 1 KP) so until I have reason to believe otherwise I am going to play under that assumption. I don't see much merit in speculating about the two scum team theory.

I already stated why I take Hapa's claim at face value and dismissing that read because it looks like buddying is absurd. If I am indeed mafia, why would I buddy with a competing alignment? If we were both mafia, why would we need to "buddy up"? Rayn's reasoning here is obviously flawed, and as he himself admitted he has too many scumreads for them all to co-exist.

Shockey's list post was particularly awful. It is early sure but that was a series of thin one-liners that displayed a lack of critical thought about the game, especially as it pertains to me. I have not refused to cooperate with anyone. I have stated how I wanted to play the game and I have done so. Rayn's meta-defense of my scumread of Shockey for his posting leaves me less than enthused if this is what I should expect from a player who thinks they are analytical. Rayn's seeming certainty of Shockey's alignment is unsettling, to say the least. I have to assume knowledge outside of the thread, and the withholding of that knowledge is inherently anti-town in my opinion.

There are a lot of players in this game I don't have much of an opinion on because of their sparse, conversational and interaction based posting. Grack seems to be solely reactive. Onegu, likewise, seems to be mostly reactive outside of his claim. Ticktock's posting appeared rather bland and inoffensive, but was more substantive in comparison.

One person I absolutely do not care for is Acro. He is hyper-focused on Hapa's claim to a fault. His comments on anything outside of that since the early parts of the game are sparse. He wrote a whole bunch of nothing about my spat with Rayn and has followed up on literally nothing except his evaluation of a single 3p claim. This fixation is something that appears genuine, but could easily come from mafia. I do not trust him.

On November 02 2020 07:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I think dirk is mafia.

On November 02 2020 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyhow 5hrs to work.

I think Koshi started as a lion (that i would expect him to) and devolved to a house cat *meow*. He needs to step up. I still think TT is mafia. Be wary of Koshi. yamato has fallen off earth. Slam is prolly town. Onegu who knows. haha.. i dont even know anything tbh. dont kill iamp or shockeyy.

On November 02 2020 05:56 Koshi wrote:

Hmm? I dont follow.

Also disclaimer: I forgot to vote. I really thought I did but there is a big chance I didnt. I also thought day would last till tomorrow. Oops.

On November 02 2020 16:59 Dirkzor wrote:
wtf is going on with you people. Now i remember why i stopped playing. Most aren't even trying to play. they just fool around thinking that its their time only that they use.

My my sake we can lynch Yamato, onegu, TT, slam and onegu just for being useless/lazy/not even trying. I don't even care if they are town anymore.

Can you use actually sentences yamato? you're supposed to be the writer. write what the fuck you mean.

On November 02 2020 15:10 yamato77 wrote:

-eats carrot-
-poops-

On November 02 2020 17:06 Koshi wrote:
Hmm wonder if yamato is seriously trying to push the idea I am mafia or that it is somehow bad for town that I didnt vote on a person that would never get lynched.

It not something to be proud of but 100% NAI.

On November 02 2020 17:11 Koshi wrote:
I mean well thought out many words typed about them scumreads. Things are going fine.

I only apologize for not backing my homie TTTTT more yesterday.

On November 02 2020 20:05 Onegu wrote:
Ok Claim time. So my role has the same name as a role from the first aperture game. But isnt the same. So some form of anti claim mechanics are usually in a game like this so I wont give full info but someone who does the work can figure it out maybe

I dont have full info and I am inferring alot fwiw based on my role currently and what the role was before.

Someone picked up a gun that got sent to the other thread. I dont know if they got told they found a gun with a bullet and that is all or if it has powers. It may or may not work how they think.

My role currently and why I am claiming now and not before. I am a vet. When I am shot I power up with something very strong for town that I have to sacrifice myself. TBH thinking on it I should have claimed this right away but I wanted to get shot, I know scum will never shoot me so I needed a vigi to and if I claimed sooner I didnt think they would trust my claim or think I am lying. Claiming now maybe someone sees it, believes me and shoots me. I am kinda hoping someone who wouldnt trust me has already shot me and wont see this.

On November 02 2020 21:47 Hapahauli wrote:
I shot TT.

On November 02 2020 22:16 Koshi wrote:
Good stuff. He is out of nowhere super convinced Acro is mafia. Then ends up not voting Acro.

Also. His role and the way he put it in the thread is pure bullshit.

On November 02 2020 22:51 Grackaroni wrote:
It seems like Acro was trying to vote off ShoCkkey so I doubt he's mafia. I also didn't get the impression that the reaction over the bus driving between the two of them was pre-planned.

Dirkzor/Hapa aren't teammates with Acro, but I've never thought either of them would be red to begin with.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Onegu hammered his teammate. Otherwise there's 2 in the other thread.

On November 02 2020 23:07 iamperfection wrote:
im pretty sure yamato is claiming he has to write like that.

On November 02 2020 23:11 Dirkzor wrote:

I'm sorry for my outburst earlier then. I was just tired of people not really even trying.

Ok yamato now we can talk:

Did you do any action this night?

Did someone do an action against you?

On November 02 2020 23:12 iamperfection wrote:
oh if anyone wants to claim an action on yamato i suggest you do that now too.

On October 29 2020 14:35 yamato77 wrote:

I think what it means is that you will learn what the next level of corruption will do to that player's role.

My personal belief is that Corruption could potentially lead to negative effects on certain roles. Reading my role PM carefully, I think that I must be careful wrt corruption levels.

On November 02 2020 23:24 Onegu wrote:
It makes sense if scum will never shoot you... ANd you want to be shot...

On November 02 2020 21:47 Hapahauli wrote:
I shot TT.

On November 02 2020 23:23 iamperfection wrote:

well you cant vote for me can you.


also your claim is dumb because YOU NEVER CLAIM VETERAN.
your play makes no sense as a veteran. You should have used what limited ability you have to try to be a good townie if your actually a veteran.

On November 02 2020 23:27 Dirkzor wrote:


I think thats a no on both fronts but i'm not really sure.

What im getting is that corruption level increase made it so that yamato can only write this way. Not anyone elses ability. I will check when he started to talk like dog....

On October 29 2020 14:35 yamato77 wrote:

I think what it means is that you will learn what the next level of corruption will do to that player's role.

My personal belief is that Corruption could potentially lead to negative effects on certain roles. Reading my role PM carefully, I think that I must be careful wrt corruption levels.

On October 29 2020 14:29 yamato77 wrote:
Yeah we have to be able to reasonably trust who we send and I do not trust Shockey.

Also, like Hapa said below, you can't choose to find out about corruption you just have to target a player.

Like I said before Hapa is a great choice for finding out more about his role and I would add Rayn and Shockey to that as well since there is definitely something strange going on between them given how Rayn's read changed.

I could potentially go (my role doesn't require the night action I thought it did) but it seems a lot of people null read me at best so I would have to do some convincing. I suppose I could force the issue but I'd rather do so with the full faith of town.

On October 30 2020 07:40 yamato77 wrote:
Trusting Dirk is difficult for me. The aware miller-ish aspect adds a layer of strangeness to what is already quite a convoluted role. If anything his post seems to be focused mainly on keeping himself alive for a vague promise of maybe helping town in 5 cycles, which is a long time. This sounds more like an actual survivor claim than any "actually town but may appear 3p" like he said. I don't think he's telling the 100% truth. Then again, the precedent in this very game is to hide one's own power level, so to speak, so I don't exactly think that means he's mafia. Another great candidate to check with the Library.

I don't think we should be asking about what corruption will do when we have so many claims to evaluate. Perhaps if it increases to 2 we could see what would happen at 3 but right now at 1 there's not much point if I read the OP correctly.

Rayn's return to the thread has been less than inspiring. Among a litany of list posts his seems mostly aimed at staying stuck in his reads he made hours ago and dismissing anything that has happened since. That said he is no stranger to confirmation bias so it's not particularly alignment indicative for him to not have developed further.

What's hilarious about this is that I actually find myself agreeing with him about the corruption level now that I think about it. I might choose to go myself and gain some information. I don't think I'm going to take any action involving my role as it exists now. That may change later on, because I don't know much about my role!

I didn't realize a different mini actually had multiple scum teams, but the OP reads as if there's only one (especially given the stated 1 KP) so until I have reason to believe otherwise I am going to play under that assumption. I don't see much merit in speculating about the two scum team theory.

I already stated why I take Hapa's claim at face value and dismissing that read because it looks like buddying is absurd. If I am indeed mafia, why would I buddy with a competing alignment? If we were both mafia, why would we need to "buddy up"? Rayn's reasoning here is obviously flawed, and as he himself admitted he has too many scumreads for them all to co-exist.

Shockey's list post was particularly awful. It is early sure but that was a series of thin one-liners that displayed a lack of critical thought about the game, especially as it pertains to me. I have not refused to cooperate with anyone. I have stated how I wanted to play the game and I have done so. Rayn's meta-defense of my scumread of Shockey for his posting leaves me less than enthused if this is what I should expect from a player who thinks they are analytical. Rayn's seeming certainty of Shockey's alignment is unsettling, to say the least. I have to assume knowledge outside of the thread, and the withholding of that knowledge is inherently anti-town in my opinion.

There are a lot of players in this game I don't have much of an opinion on because of their sparse, conversational and interaction based posting. Grack seems to be solely reactive. Onegu, likewise, seems to be mostly reactive outside of his claim. Ticktock's posting appeared rather bland and inoffensive, but was more substantive in comparison.

One person I absolutely do not care for is Acro. He is hyper-focused on Hapa's claim to a fault. His comments on anything outside of that since the early parts of the game are sparse. He wrote a whole bunch of nothing about my spat with Rayn and has followed up on literally nothing except his evaluation of a single 3p claim. This fixation is something that appears genuine, but could easily come from mafia. I do not trust him.

On November 02 2020 23:31 Onegu wrote:
When the fuck do I ever play like a good townie?

My role is get shot and then I can sacrifice myself to prevent all day and night kills including the lynch for a full day night cycle.

On November 02 2020 23:34 Hapahauli wrote:
Yamato, is your "transformation" temporary?

For "yes" - eat a carrot
For "no" - poop.

God that was weird to write.

On November 02 2020 23:36 Onegu wrote:
because he just bolded he doesnt know all his role does and it looks like it changes depending on corruption

On November 02 2020 23:39 Onegu wrote:
hrmm ok.

What's hilarious about this is that I actually find myself agreeing with him about the corruption level now that I think about it. I might choose to go myself and gain some information. I don't think I'm going to take any action involving my role as it exists now. That may change later on, because I don't know much about my role!


So you know know much about your role?

On November 02 2020 23:40 Koshi wrote:

So I have 2 cats and you wont believe this but the other one also died and due to not being able to play with the first; the second didn't make it easier so I while I send in the RB for Hapa I accidently made Yamato a rabbit.

On November 02 2020 23:48 Koshi wrote:

Hmm. How do you not get the sarcasm here Mr. Policy lynch all liars, sobstory and irl excuses guy.


I didn't do anything to those last nights. I did things though. Secret things. Or Didn't I?

I may have forgot to send in actions twice.

But for sure I didn't do anything to Hapa and the other guy

On November 02 2020 23:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Bad joke. Would lynch for bad joke.

On November 02 2020 23:57 Koshi wrote:
Like wtf could I have done that is mafialike or pushes mafia agenda. Pretty sure nothing. Not even by accident.

Just this weird idea I should care more as town. lol.