• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:28
CEST 12:28
KST 19:28
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon0[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent9Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway13
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues22LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments3Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?39Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris76
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon What happened to Singapore/Brazil servers? Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast
Brood War
General
The Korean Terminology Thread Recommended FPV games (post-KeSPA) [ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent FlaSh on ACS Winners being in ASL ASL20 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group B [ASL20] Ro16 Group A Is there English video for group selection for ASL BWCL Season 63 Announcement
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Iron Harvest: 1920+ Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Diablo IV S10 Infernal Tides Guide Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Collective Intelligence: Tea…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1123 users

[M][T] Aperture Mafia 4, Episode 2

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 Next All
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 26 2020 22:15 GMT
#28
/in
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 28 2020 19:27 GMT
#314
I think this game is probably best played with a bit more close-to-the-vest style of forming reads (especially so in a Day 0 where not much of value can occur), so I am going to refrain from widely commenting on everything I have observed in the thread so far and instead discuss specific points of interest and how they would relate to potential night actions taken by the town in the coming phase.

I think that we absolutely should attempt to limit who visits the Database, and I generally agree with the notion that we should accept volunteers. The interesting point is who they should attempt to target with their action, and in that I think we already have an excellent candidate. Grack, if we continue to believe he is town (for reasons previously stated by others), should absolutely try to find out more about Hapahauli's role. That said, roleblocks may prevent this from happening, but this is the sort of thing we should be trying to do with the Database instead of simply worrying about its effect on game mechanics. Agreed?

I personally cannot be a part of this mission. I believe the most pro-town thing I could do is to take my own personal night action that deals with my role. Other than that, I think the best approach to this cycle will be to simply attempt to coordinate who is doing what and dealing with claims. It is a themed game so these mechanics cannot simply be ignored in favor of "scumhunting" early on in a game when we can't even lynch for a significant period of time.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 28 2020 19:30 GMT
#318
I truly did not want to play with rayn and I regret that I am in this game already
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 28 2020 19:37 GMT
#321
On October 29 2020 04:33 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 04:30 yamato77 wrote:
I truly did not want to play with rayn and I regret that I am in this game already

Being a little sensitive

I'm not going to play along in a rayn-game. If this turns into one I will just replace. Not worth my time.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 28 2020 19:39 GMT
#328
On October 29 2020 04:38 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 04:37 yamato77 wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:33 iamperfection wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:30 yamato77 wrote:
I truly did not want to play with rayn and I regret that I am in this game already

Being a little sensitive

I'm not going to play along in a rayn-game. If this turns into one I will just replace. Not worth my time.

I mean he just diagreed with you and you take your ball and go home?

He failed to comment on literally anything I said and made vague threats he can't even enforce for several more days, and did so in a completely disrespectful manner. I am not here to play in a shitflinging game. Not worth my time.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 28 2020 19:48 GMT
#337
On October 29 2020 04:46 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 04:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Rayn, when you disagree with someone, you tend to do so in a tone that comes across as extremely aggressive and personal.

I don't think you intend it, but that's my experience... both in the last game we played and this one.

You can take it for what it is worth.

it's text you can't have a tone.

That is just not true in any way.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 28 2020 19:53 GMT
#344
On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:

"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."

So is there more than just town/mafia? :D

Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out.

Why do you think you're a good candidate?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 28 2020 19:59 GMT
#349
Rayn I've decided not to engage with you if you disagree with me. It's a viable path forward in this game and I will allow my actions to speak for themselves over the next few days. Do what you will.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 28 2020 20:37 GMT
#388
On October 29 2020 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:

"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."

So is there more than just town/mafia? :D

Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out.

Why do you think you're a good candidate?


I just am. I have no malintent for our database.

I wish for you to be more forthcoming about your claim here. What do you intend to do if you do go to the database? Why should we trust you?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 28 2020 21:26 GMT
#420
@Shockey

On October 29 2020 05:37 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:

"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."

So is there more than just town/mafia? :D

Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out.

Why do you think you're a good candidate?


I just am. I have no malintent for our database.

I wish for you to be more forthcoming about your claim here. What do you intend to do if you do go to the database? Why should we trust you?

Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 28 2020 21:29 GMT
#424
On October 29 2020 06:29 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 06:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On October 29 2020 06:26 yamato77 wrote:
@Shockey

On October 29 2020 05:37 yamato77 wrote:
On October 29 2020 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:

"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."

So is there more than just town/mafia? :D

Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out.

Why do you think you're a good candidate?


I just am. I have no malintent for our database.

I wish for you to be more forthcoming about your claim here. What do you intend to do if you do go to the database? Why should we trust you?



Just trust me yo. If you're town, you'll trust me. If I'm mafia then Acro's post here becomes more relevant.

On October 28 2020 23:06 Acrofales wrote:
On October 28 2020 23:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean mafia, town, who?

Ideally I'd send 3 mafia! (1) they can't use night actions, (2) they are almost certain to survive the night, and (3) even if they lie about their findings, catching a scummer in a lie like that is great info.

So please, if you're mafia, volunteer to go to the TL Mafia Database tonight. It'll be a huge help!

(obviously, volunteering for this duty is *not* a scumtell).


Wat

Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 28 2020 21:37 GMT
#433
On October 29 2020 06:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 06:32 Hapahauli wrote:
No. Shockeyy.

I think he is town though because my role says he is lol

So you're claiming to be a cop, essentially? You checked his alignment? Or did he take an action? This certainly requires more.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 28 2020 21:42 GMT
#439
Shockey do you know why Rayn thinks you are town?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 29 2020 01:09 GMT
#477
I think Hapa and Shockey should go and basically no one else barring any claims.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 29 2020 04:40 GMT
#498
If I had a gun I would shoot Shockey. His posts read as smug and flippant and that's a general scumtell in my book. I no longer really want to send him because he refuses to be more open about much of anything.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 29 2020 04:45 GMT
#499
I think we should only send Hapa personally.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 29 2020 05:29 GMT
#501
Yeah we have to be able to reasonably trust who we send and I do not trust Shockey.

Also, like Hapa said below, you can't choose to find out about corruption you just have to target a player.

Like I said before Hapa is a great choice for finding out more about his role and I would add Rayn and Shockey to that as well since there is definitely something strange going on between them given how Rayn's read changed.

I could potentially go (my role doesn't require the night action I thought it did) but it seems a lot of people null read me at best so I would have to do some convincing. I suppose I could force the issue but I'd rather do so with the full faith of town.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 29 2020 05:30 GMT
#502
On October 29 2020 10:23 Hapahauli wrote:
I asked GreYMist, and choosing "what effect the next stage of corruption level will cause" is not an option of choice.

You have to choose a player to target.


Hapa's post, for reference. Forgot to add it in my last post.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 29 2020 05:35 GMT
#504
On October 29 2020 14:33 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 14:30 yamato77 wrote:
On October 29 2020 10:23 Hapahauli wrote:
I asked GreYMist, and choosing "what effect the next stage of corruption level will cause" is not an option of choice.

You have to choose a player to target.


Hapa's post, for reference. Forgot to add it in my last post.

i havent gotten an answer i dont think i will get one either. I think you can target a player and choose that option though.

I think what it means is that you will learn what the next level of corruption will do to that player's role.

My personal belief is that Corruption could potentially lead to negative effects on certain roles. Reading my role PM carefully, I think that I must be careful wrt corruption levels.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 29 2020 05:44 GMT
#505
Anyway as a note I must sleep now and I won't be back for quite a while. I can't post or read the thread during work so it will be something like 15 hours before I will be back. I hope if anyone has any Day 0 actions they use them well. Don't kill controversial people just because things got heated.

If somehow I die, an eventuality I do not discount, my only real scumread is Shockey. There's really not much to go on so far and about a third of the thread is one player's posts SO there's a lot of noise. The only person I'm confident enough to townread at the moment is iamp. I was suspicious of his seeming parroting of rayn early on but his break with rayn's line and his general demeanor since rayn left the thread gives me the impression he's honestly trying to solve the game.

I think Hapa is generally pro-town as well and I don't think it's a good idea to kill him when he can win with us. I doubt that Hapa's plan as mafia was to fakeclaim 3P on D0. That said I would like to know HOW he can win with town. I assume that means he can win if he's alive when town wins, and if that's the case then we should probably protect him. If he continues to be a voice of reason in the thread and gives out honest reads there's no reason mafia wouldn't target him and any town ability to save him could be truly useful, essentially allowing us an edge in numbers.
Writer@WriterYamato
1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
10:05
Maestros of the Game Ro24 B
Serral vs RyungLIVE!
ByuN vs Zoun
CranKy Ducklings83
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech78
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 1838
BeSt 382
Larva 335
actioN 216
Pusan 199
sSak 187
EffOrt 184
Soma 160
Light 155
Mong 136
[ Show more ]
Rush 120
Leta 111
Dewaltoss 89
Nal_rA 87
PianO 69
Last 68
Flash 65
zelot 62
ToSsGirL 59
Backho 54
Mind 51
TY 47
Barracks 40
Liquid`Ret 40
Movie 39
hero 39
Sharp 20
sorry 18
Bale 18
Noble 17
scan(afreeca) 16
Mini 15
Sacsri 13
yabsab 12
Hm[arnc] 9
HiyA 5
ZerO 0
Dota 2
XaKoH 459
BananaSlamJamma187
Counter-Strike
olofmeister738
shoxiejesuss499
x6flipin294
allub21
Other Games
singsing1233
ceh9729
Happy262
crisheroes253
Mew2King56
ZerO(Twitch)0
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick782
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 700
UltimateBattle 19
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 42
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV323
League of Legends
• Jankos1002
Upcoming Events
Kung Fu Cup
1h 32m
ByuN vs HeRoMaRinE
MaxPax vs Creator
TBD vs Classic
OSC
5h 32m
Moja vs Babymarine
Solar vs TBD
sOs vs goblin
Nice vs INexorable
sebesdes vs Iba
Nicoract vs TBD
NightMare vs TBD
OSC
13h 32m
ReBellioN vs PAPI
Spirit vs TBD
Percival vs TBD
TriGGeR vs TBD
Shameless vs UedSoldier
Cham vs TBD
Harstem vs TBD
RSL Revival
23h 32m
Cure vs SHIN
Reynor vs Zoun
Kung Fu Cup
1d 1h
The PondCast
1d 2h
RSL Revival
1d 23h
Classic vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Maru
Online Event
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
[ Show More ]
BSL Team Wars
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Maestros of the Game
3 days
ShoWTimE vs Classic
Clem vs herO
Serral vs Bunny
Reynor vs Zoun
Cosmonarchy
3 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
[BSL 2025] Weekly
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
BSL Team Wars
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Snow vs Sharp
Jaedong vs Mini
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Light vs Speed
Larva vs Soma
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Copa Latinoamericana 4
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Polish World Championship 2025
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
EC S1
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.