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[M][T] Aperture Mafia 4, Episode 2

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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 26 2020 22:15 GMT
#28
/in
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 28 2020 19:27 GMT
#314
I think this game is probably best played with a bit more close-to-the-vest style of forming reads (especially so in a Day 0 where not much of value can occur), so I am going to refrain from widely commenting on everything I have observed in the thread so far and instead discuss specific points of interest and how they would relate to potential night actions taken by the town in the coming phase.

I think that we absolutely should attempt to limit who visits the Database, and I generally agree with the notion that we should accept volunteers. The interesting point is who they should attempt to target with their action, and in that I think we already have an excellent candidate. Grack, if we continue to believe he is town (for reasons previously stated by others), should absolutely try to find out more about Hapahauli's role. That said, roleblocks may prevent this from happening, but this is the sort of thing we should be trying to do with the Database instead of simply worrying about its effect on game mechanics. Agreed?

I personally cannot be a part of this mission. I believe the most pro-town thing I could do is to take my own personal night action that deals with my role. Other than that, I think the best approach to this cycle will be to simply attempt to coordinate who is doing what and dealing with claims. It is a themed game so these mechanics cannot simply be ignored in favor of "scumhunting" early on in a game when we can't even lynch for a significant period of time.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 28 2020 19:30 GMT
#318
I truly did not want to play with rayn and I regret that I am in this game already
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 28 2020 19:37 GMT
#321
On October 29 2020 04:33 iamperfection wrote:
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On October 29 2020 04:30 yamato77 wrote:
I truly did not want to play with rayn and I regret that I am in this game already

Being a little sensitive

I'm not going to play along in a rayn-game. If this turns into one I will just replace. Not worth my time.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 28 2020 19:39 GMT
#328
On October 29 2020 04:38 iamperfection wrote:
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On October 29 2020 04:37 yamato77 wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:33 iamperfection wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:30 yamato77 wrote:
I truly did not want to play with rayn and I regret that I am in this game already

Being a little sensitive

I'm not going to play along in a rayn-game. If this turns into one I will just replace. Not worth my time.

I mean he just diagreed with you and you take your ball and go home?

He failed to comment on literally anything I said and made vague threats he can't even enforce for several more days, and did so in a completely disrespectful manner. I am not here to play in a shitflinging game. Not worth my time.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 28 2020 19:48 GMT
#337
On October 29 2020 04:46 iamperfection wrote:
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On October 29 2020 04:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Rayn, when you disagree with someone, you tend to do so in a tone that comes across as extremely aggressive and personal.

I don't think you intend it, but that's my experience... both in the last game we played and this one.

You can take it for what it is worth.

it's text you can't have a tone.

That is just not true in any way.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 28 2020 19:53 GMT
#344
On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:

"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."

So is there more than just town/mafia? :D

Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out.

Why do you think you're a good candidate?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 28 2020 19:59 GMT
#349
Rayn I've decided not to engage with you if you disagree with me. It's a viable path forward in this game and I will allow my actions to speak for themselves over the next few days. Do what you will.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 28 2020 20:37 GMT
#388
On October 29 2020 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
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On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:

"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."

So is there more than just town/mafia? :D

Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out.

Why do you think you're a good candidate?


I just am. I have no malintent for our database.

I wish for you to be more forthcoming about your claim here. What do you intend to do if you do go to the database? Why should we trust you?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 28 2020 21:26 GMT
#420
@Shockey

On October 29 2020 05:37 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:

"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."

So is there more than just town/mafia? :D

Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out.

Why do you think you're a good candidate?


I just am. I have no malintent for our database.

I wish for you to be more forthcoming about your claim here. What do you intend to do if you do go to the database? Why should we trust you?

Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 28 2020 21:29 GMT
#424
On October 29 2020 06:29 iamperfection wrote:
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On October 29 2020 06:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On October 29 2020 06:26 yamato77 wrote:
@Shockey

On October 29 2020 05:37 yamato77 wrote:
On October 29 2020 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:

"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."

So is there more than just town/mafia? :D

Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out.

Why do you think you're a good candidate?


I just am. I have no malintent for our database.

I wish for you to be more forthcoming about your claim here. What do you intend to do if you do go to the database? Why should we trust you?



Just trust me yo. If you're town, you'll trust me. If I'm mafia then Acro's post here becomes more relevant.

On October 28 2020 23:06 Acrofales wrote:
On October 28 2020 23:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean mafia, town, who?

Ideally I'd send 3 mafia! (1) they can't use night actions, (2) they are almost certain to survive the night, and (3) even if they lie about their findings, catching a scummer in a lie like that is great info.

So please, if you're mafia, volunteer to go to the TL Mafia Database tonight. It'll be a huge help!

(obviously, volunteering for this duty is *not* a scumtell).


Wat

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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 28 2020 21:37 GMT
#433
On October 29 2020 06:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On October 29 2020 06:32 Hapahauli wrote:
No. Shockeyy.

I think he is town though because my role says he is lol

So you're claiming to be a cop, essentially? You checked his alignment? Or did he take an action? This certainly requires more.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 28 2020 21:42 GMT
#439
Shockey do you know why Rayn thinks you are town?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 29 2020 01:09 GMT
#477
I think Hapa and Shockey should go and basically no one else barring any claims.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 29 2020 04:40 GMT
#498
If I had a gun I would shoot Shockey. His posts read as smug and flippant and that's a general scumtell in my book. I no longer really want to send him because he refuses to be more open about much of anything.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 29 2020 04:45 GMT
#499
I think we should only send Hapa personally.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 29 2020 05:29 GMT
#501
Yeah we have to be able to reasonably trust who we send and I do not trust Shockey.

Also, like Hapa said below, you can't choose to find out about corruption you just have to target a player.

Like I said before Hapa is a great choice for finding out more about his role and I would add Rayn and Shockey to that as well since there is definitely something strange going on between them given how Rayn's read changed.

I could potentially go (my role doesn't require the night action I thought it did) but it seems a lot of people null read me at best so I would have to do some convincing. I suppose I could force the issue but I'd rather do so with the full faith of town.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 29 2020 05:30 GMT
#502
On October 29 2020 10:23 Hapahauli wrote:
I asked GreYMist, and choosing "what effect the next stage of corruption level will cause" is not an option of choice.

You have to choose a player to target.


Hapa's post, for reference. Forgot to add it in my last post.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 29 2020 05:35 GMT
#504
On October 29 2020 14:33 iamperfection wrote:
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On October 29 2020 14:30 yamato77 wrote:
On October 29 2020 10:23 Hapahauli wrote:
I asked GreYMist, and choosing "what effect the next stage of corruption level will cause" is not an option of choice.

You have to choose a player to target.


Hapa's post, for reference. Forgot to add it in my last post.

i havent gotten an answer i dont think i will get one either. I think you can target a player and choose that option though.

I think what it means is that you will learn what the next level of corruption will do to that player's role.

My personal belief is that Corruption could potentially lead to negative effects on certain roles. Reading my role PM carefully, I think that I must be careful wrt corruption levels.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 29 2020 05:44 GMT
#505
Anyway as a note I must sleep now and I won't be back for quite a while. I can't post or read the thread during work so it will be something like 15 hours before I will be back. I hope if anyone has any Day 0 actions they use them well. Don't kill controversial people just because things got heated.

If somehow I die, an eventuality I do not discount, my only real scumread is Shockey. There's really not much to go on so far and about a third of the thread is one player's posts SO there's a lot of noise. The only person I'm confident enough to townread at the moment is iamp. I was suspicious of his seeming parroting of rayn early on but his break with rayn's line and his general demeanor since rayn left the thread gives me the impression he's honestly trying to solve the game.

I think Hapa is generally pro-town as well and I don't think it's a good idea to kill him when he can win with us. I doubt that Hapa's plan as mafia was to fakeclaim 3P on D0. That said I would like to know HOW he can win with town. I assume that means he can win if he's alive when town wins, and if that's the case then we should probably protect him. If he continues to be a voice of reason in the thread and gives out honest reads there's no reason mafia wouldn't target him and any town ability to save him could be truly useful, essentially allowing us an edge in numbers.
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