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On October 29 2020 13:40 yamato77 wrote:
If I had a gun I would shoot Shockey. His posts read as smug and flippant and that's a general scumtell in my book. I no longer really want to send him because he refuses to be more open about much of anything.
If you somehow found one of these on the ground sending it to the proper professionals on lost items (ie. me) would be smarter than using found items. Dont say you werent warned....
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On October 30 2020 01:35 ShoCkeyy wrote:
The counter is definitely going to increase if we all go. We definitely know mafia is going to visit no matter what, it’s in their interest. I prefer sending one or two towns if there’s three mafia. Rayn you said KP doesn’t count as an action for the database right?
I don't know that. How do you know that.
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On October 30 2020 01:41 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2020 13:40 yamato77 wrote:
If I had a gun I would shoot Shockey. His posts read as smug and flippant and that's a general scumtell in my book. I no longer really want to send him because he refuses to be more open about much of anything. If you somehow found one of these on the ground sending it to the proper professionals on lost items (ie. me) would be smarter than using found items. Dont say you werent warned....
Talk about something useful or die
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I still have a couple of things that bother me a great deal.
On October 29 2020 03:42 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2020 03:29 Hapahauli wrote:
Therrre we go, Slam failed the test. To elaborate, he did the thing where mafia feels super uncomfortable to get into a discussion about a very chaotic topic (my claim), and instead of getting involved, addressed it in a super round-about way.
On October 29 2020 03:44 Hapahauli wrote:
Rayn and Iamp get A's.
Acro gets a B.
Grack gets a C+.
Shockey gets an Incomplete.
I just cant get over this. We get grades but why isn't Slam there? I dont understand it, Slam should get F by the post above.
I also dont understand why Acrofales has been over on why i know shockeyy is town but not interested at all when Hapa knew i am town....
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On October 30 2020 01:42 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2020 01:35 ShoCkeyy wrote:
The counter is definitely going to increase if we all go. We definitely know mafia is going to visit no matter what, it’s in their interest. I prefer sending one or two towns if there’s three mafia. Rayn you said KP doesn’t count as an action for the database right? I don't know that. How do you know that.
Actually maybe i am just really stupid. I also would like an answer to this.
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On October 30 2020 01:42 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2020 01:35 ShoCkeyy wrote:
The counter is definitely going to increase if we all go. We definitely know mafia is going to visit no matter what, it’s in their interest. I prefer sending one or two towns if there’s three mafia. Rayn you said KP doesn’t count as an action for the database right? I don't know that. How do you know that.
I mean based on the rules of the database, the more corrupt it is, the more it'll favor mafia is what I'm assuming. I'm just making assumptions around the database. So maybe using WE wasn't a good statement, but still that's just what I'm guessing. I don't see why mafia won't said two of their members to the database to get higher numbers if town decided to send people. I mean, a lot of town can essentially visit no? 4 people means +1 to the corrupt counter. 2 of them at the very least I think are definitely going to always be mafia.
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my reads:
town:
shockeyy - I'm the best town, i can save town 100%, I can be your leader.
iamperfection - I definitely feel like he's trying to solve the game.
tictock - i really liked his entrance to the game, immediately trying to solve the game based off the posts
acro - the post I quoted is what made me consider him town
slight town:
rayn - well he's just rayn for the moment.
dirkzor - he claimed recently no? i don't actually recall at the moment what he claimed but i did like his string of posts
still null
Koshi - has he even posted? I haven't noticed lol
onegu - claims VT but is missing his item piece, might be vig? idk.
slight mafia lean
grack - i think it's easy to look town with how Grack posts, while still being mafia, so i'm null..
hapa - I just don't know yet why I can't read him as town yet.
slam - he's having a baby.
yamato - not wanting to work with possibly town is a mafia lean for me.
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On October 30 2020 01:42 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2020 01:35 ShoCkeyy wrote:
The counter is definitely going to increase if we all go. We definitely know mafia is going to visit no matter what, it’s in their interest. I prefer sending one or two towns if there’s three mafia. Rayn you said KP doesn’t count as an action for the database right? I don't know that. How do you know that.
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I’m inclined to say “Nice save”.
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Thoughts on the game with a fresh set of eyes:
Onegu and Koshi are good vig targets at this point. No feelings on them either way - Koshi from a lack of posting, and Onegu from a lack of substance beyond a playfulness with is seeming role mechanic.
Rayn, Iamp, Dirk, and Yamato feel strongly not-mafia (be it VT, neutral 3rd party, pro-town 3rd party... whatever).
- Rayn can be dickish as mafia, but he is generally dickish with an agenda. I don't see any agenda in what he was doing last night other than pure tilt, which is much more likely to come from town.
- Iamp is very engaged and posting loosely.
- Dirk's posting history and story very much checks out with someone who has a game mechanic tied to the Corruption Counter. Claim is too attention seeking.
- Yamato is a meta read. His tone has stayed very productive and constructive.
The people that stick out to me as mafia candidates are Slam, Acro, and Grack (in no particular order).
- Slam's explanation for the "lol hapa duh" comment is plausible, in that he may have simply quoted the wrong post and made the comment in reference to me being "not town". However, there is a "calmness" to his posting that typically comes from his mafia games from recent memory.
- Grack has been reasonably active and has been posting, but he has been largely offering safe (and confident) opinions on claims (myself and Dirkzor), as well as fairly substanceless mechanics discussions. The vibe of his filter is that he is happy posting his opinion on something and moving on, rather than engaging the thread in meaningful ways.
- Acro's filter does not look good on a second readthrough. A lot of words and not a whole lot of substance. Two things in particular stick out:
1) very quick and confident judgments on the two claims (myself and Dirkzor). The read on Dirkzor in particular reads like he's grandstanding the importance of his read:
On October 29 2020 18:38 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2020 16:32 Dirkzor wrote:
##Commence Space-Time Destabilization
I'm claiming named town. I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson.
I've been thinking about this for a while now. I wasnt sure how to play this out or what do to. But i figured the best way to do it was to be open about it so that town can benefit the most from the information i am about to give.
I have a 1 shot ability (##Commence Space-Time Destabilization) that in 5 phases town will give a great benefit to town. Some kind of hint/info will be sent to me. I don't know what it is though. The downside is that the corruption level will increase by 1. (the flavor is that i spend a lot of database capacity to study "Event Horizon Level" and spent 5 phases doing that and will then have found the answer)
Further more I will show up as "3rd party" or "not town" if someone check my alignment. (i wasn't sure if this was town to write this. But my thought was that i'd rather be upfront and let you make your own conclusion instead of being checked N1 and then fight the uphill battle with the rest of the town and let mafia ride it out)
I also have a somewhat useful night action (for town) that i won't disclose for now.
I thought about what this will mean going further:
This will put a target on my back. I'm hoping i can be protected. And if not it will help other townies to come to their own conclusion.
This might be disruptive on the short term, but i hope the long term gain out weight this.
I wanted to do this as early as possible so to get the info as soon as possible. And figuring we dont vote on this day i thought it would be better to do it now rather than later.
I don't know what the corruption increase will do, but i'm willing to take that risk. I hope you do too. I didn't want to ask about this since it would be a whole lot of discussion where no-one knew anything anyway, and if we ended agreeing that i shouldn't do it, people would wonder if i actually could or not.
Anyway. Thats my claim. The timer should show up in thread so you can see my ability is real.
I'm in meeting the next 7 hours, but will do the multitask thingy =)
Wow. I actually believe you're town despite all this. It just feels wayyyy too ballsy for a scummer to pull off. Palmar or VE might do it, I guess? But claiming self-aware miller, increasing the corruption AND setting off a time bomb in the thread on N0? Seems way too reckless for mafia. I guess if it's the mother of all abilities?
2) His attempt to play "thread cop" after the Rayn/Yamato thing reads like an attempt to contribute without contributing. It's also exceptionally unproductive (since the argument was long gone by the time he showed up), and it only serves to dig up more drama.
On October 29 2020 18:24 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2020 06:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:On October 29 2020 06:26 yamato77 wrote:@Shockey On October 29 2020 05:37 yamato77 wrote:On October 29 2020 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:
"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."
So is there more than just town/mafia? :D
Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out. Why do you think you're a good candidate? I just am. I have no malintent for our database. I wish for you to be more forthcoming about your claim here. What do you intend to do if you do go to the database? Why should we trust you? Just trust me yo. If you're town, you'll trust me. If I'm mafia then Acro's post here becomes more relevant. On October 28 2020 23:06 Acrofales wrote:On October 28 2020 23:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean mafia, town, who? Ideally I'd send 3 mafia! (1) they can't use night actions, (2) they are almost certain to survive the night, and (3) even if they lie about their findings, catching a scummer in a lie like that is great info. So please, if you're mafia, volunteer to go to the TL Mafia Database tonight. It'll be a huge help! (obviously, volunteering for this duty is *not* a scumtell). Why? What? Lynch. "If I'm mafia"? Dafuq? Also, I got nothing to do with this. Kill with fire. Anyway, still catching up. My impressions so far of where I left off yesterday: Rayn needs to take a chill pill. He was going completely bonkers, and the whole Yamato thing was not cool. I understand Yamato: there are people I would also rather not play with, and seeing they signed up at the very last second can be offputting. I don't think it makes him town or scum. Imho the right thing to do is to shut up and replace out, but trying to second guess whether Yamato is playing *despite* Rayn because he's excited about the game, or because he feels some kind of obligation.. I dunno. In general, he hasn't impressed me and I still think Rayn is town, albeit one with cabin fever. If Yamato is town I hope he sits down and plays the game proper. If all he does is moan about Rayn, then he's probably scum with a lazy excuse. Hapa: you need to claim for real. Nothing you're doing makes sense. You claimed, you recanted your claim, you unrecanted your claim and you used your claim as a reaction test. I don't believe any of it. Claim your wincon and whether you have KP.
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On October 30 2020 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:I still have a couple of things that bother me a great deal. Show nested quote +On October 29 2020 03:42 Hapahauli wrote:On October 29 2020 03:29 Hapahauli wrote:
Therrre we go, Slam failed the test. To elaborate, he did the thing where mafia feels super uncomfortable to get into a discussion about a very chaotic topic (my claim), and instead of getting involved, addressed it in a super round-about way. Show nested quote +On October 29 2020 03:44 Hapahauli wrote:
Rayn and Iamp get A's.
Acro gets a B.
Grack gets a C+.
Shockey gets an Incomplete.
I just cant get over this. We get grades but why isn't Slam there? I dont understand it, Slam should get F by the post above. I also dont understand why Acrofales has been over on why i know shockeyy is town but not interested at all when Hapa knew i am town....
... I didn't see any sense in repeating myself:
On October 29 2020 03:29 Hapahauli wrote:
Therrre we go, Slam failed the test.
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On October 30 2020 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:I still have a couple of things that bother me a great deal. Show nested quote +On October 29 2020 03:42 Hapahauli wrote:On October 29 2020 03:29 Hapahauli wrote:
Therrre we go, Slam failed the test. To elaborate, he did the thing where mafia feels super uncomfortable to get into a discussion about a very chaotic topic (my claim), and instead of getting involved, addressed it in a super round-about way. Show nested quote +On October 29 2020 03:44 Hapahauli wrote:
Rayn and Iamp get A's.
Acro gets a B.
Grack gets a C+.
Shockey gets an Incomplete.
I just cant get over this. We get grades but why isn't Slam there? I dont understand it, Slam should get F by the post above. I also dont understand why Acrofales has been over on why i know shockeyy is town but not interested at all when Hapa knew i am town....
Fairly certain hapa said it was a read. And I'm just mistrusting of 3rd party "reads" as a matter of course. But he never categorically stated you're town.
Regarding Hapa's "updated" claim, I don't get it. If town, why claim alternate wincon? Either you win with town, yay, or you fulfill your wincon and leave early. I've had a role like that, and I explicitly avoided completing to help town. You don't claim some kinda town aligned 3p. So that's a lie. He's 3p or scum. I discarded scum yesterday because of the earliness of the claim. So yeah, some kinda 3p. Probably not gonna help town.
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On October 30 2020 03:15 Hapahauli wrote:Thoughts on the game with a fresh set of eyes: Onegu and Koshi are good vig targets at this point. No feelings on them either way - Koshi from a lack of posting, and Onegu from a lack of substance beyond a playfulness with is seeming role mechanic. Rayn, Iamp, Dirk, and Yamato feel strongly not-mafia (be it VT, neutral 3rd party, pro-town 3rd party... whatever). - Rayn can be dickish as mafia, but he is generally dickish with an agenda. I don't see any agenda in what he was doing last night other than pure tilt, which is much more likely to come from town. - Iamp is very engaged and posting loosely. - Dirk's posting history and story very much checks out with someone who has a game mechanic tied to the Corruption Counter. Claim is too attention seeking. - Yamato is a meta read. His tone has stayed very productive and constructive. The people that stick out to me as mafia candidates are Slam, Acro, and Grack (in no particular order). - Slam's explanation for the "lol hapa duh" comment is plausible, in that he may have simply quoted the wrong post and made the comment in reference to me being "not town". However, there is a "calmness" to his posting that typically comes from his mafia games from recent memory. - Grack has been reasonably active and has been posting, but he has been largely offering safe (and confident) opinions on claims (myself and Dirkzor), as well as fairly substanceless mechanics discussions. The vibe of his filter is that he is happy posting his opinion on something and moving on, rather than engaging the thread in meaningful ways. - Acro's filter does not look good on a second readthrough. A lot of words and not a whole lot of substance. Two things in particular stick out: 1) very quick and confident judgments on the two claims (myself and Dirkzor). The read on Dirkzor in particular reads like he's grandstanding the importance of his read: Show nested quote +On October 29 2020 18:38 Acrofales wrote:On October 29 2020 16:32 Dirkzor wrote:
##Commence Space-Time Destabilization
I'm claiming named town. I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson.
I've been thinking about this for a while now. I wasnt sure how to play this out or what do to. But i figured the best way to do it was to be open about it so that town can benefit the most from the information i am about to give.
I have a 1 shot ability (##Commence Space-Time Destabilization) that in 5 phases town will give a great benefit to town. Some kind of hint/info will be sent to me. I don't know what it is though. The downside is that the corruption level will increase by 1. (the flavor is that i spend a lot of database capacity to study "Event Horizon Level" and spent 5 phases doing that and will then have found the answer)
Further more I will show up as "3rd party" or "not town" if someone check my alignment. (i wasn't sure if this was town to write this. But my thought was that i'd rather be upfront and let you make your own conclusion instead of being checked N1 and then fight the uphill battle with the rest of the town and let mafia ride it out)
I also have a somewhat useful night action (for town) that i won't disclose for now.
I thought about what this will mean going further:
This will put a target on my back. I'm hoping i can be protected. And if not it will help other townies to come to their own conclusion.
This might be disruptive on the short term, but i hope the long term gain out weight this.
I wanted to do this as early as possible so to get the info as soon as possible. And figuring we dont vote on this day i thought it would be better to do it now rather than later.
I don't know what the corruption increase will do, but i'm willing to take that risk. I hope you do too. I didn't want to ask about this since it would be a whole lot of discussion where no-one knew anything anyway, and if we ended agreeing that i shouldn't do it, people would wonder if i actually could or not.
Anyway. Thats my claim. The timer should show up in thread so you can see my ability is real.
I'm in meeting the next 7 hours, but will do the multitask thingy =)
Wow. I actually believe you're town despite all this. It just feels wayyyy too ballsy for a scummer to pull off. Palmar or VE might do it, I guess? But claiming self-aware miller, increasing the corruption AND setting off a time bomb in the thread on N0? Seems way too reckless for mafia. I guess if it's the mother of all abilities? 2) His attempt to play "thread cop" after the Rayn/Yamato thing reads like an attempt to contribute without contributing. It's also exceptionally unproductive (since the argument was long gone by the time he showed up), and it only serves to dig up more drama. Show nested quote +On October 29 2020 18:24 Acrofales wrote:On October 29 2020 06:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:On October 29 2020 06:26 yamato77 wrote:@Shockey On October 29 2020 05:37 yamato77 wrote:On October 29 2020 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:
"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."
So is there more than just town/mafia? :D
Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out. Why do you think you're a good candidate? I just am. I have no malintent for our database. I wish for you to be more forthcoming about your claim here. What do you intend to do if you do go to the database? Why should we trust you? Just trust me yo. If you're town, you'll trust me. If I'm mafia then Acro's post here becomes more relevant. On October 28 2020 23:06 Acrofales wrote:On October 28 2020 23:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean mafia, town, who? Ideally I'd send 3 mafia! (1) they can't use night actions, (2) they are almost certain to survive the night, and (3) even if they lie about their findings, catching a scummer in a lie like that is great info. So please, if you're mafia, volunteer to go to the TL Mafia Database tonight. It'll be a huge help! (obviously, volunteering for this duty is *not* a scumtell). Why? What? Lynch. "If I'm mafia"? Dafuq? Also, I got nothing to do with this. Kill with fire. Anyway, still catching up. My impressions so far of where I left off yesterday: Rayn needs to take a chill pill. He was going completely bonkers, and the whole Yamato thing was not cool. I understand Yamato: there are people I would also rather not play with, and seeing they signed up at the very last second can be offputting. I don't think it makes him town or scum. Imho the right thing to do is to shut up and replace out, but trying to second guess whether Yamato is playing *despite* Rayn because he's excited about the game, or because he feels some kind of obligation.. I dunno. In general, he hasn't impressed me and I still think Rayn is town, albeit one with cabin fever. If Yamato is town I hope he sits down and plays the game proper. If all he does is moan about Rayn, then he's probably scum with a lazy excuse. Hapa: you need to claim for real. Nothing you're doing makes sense. You claimed, you recanted your claim, you unrecanted your claim and you used your claim as a reaction test. I don't believe any of it. Claim your wincon and whether you have KP.
Do you have KP?
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Assuming that I answer that question, what do you intend to do with the information?
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I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you?
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On October 30 2020 03:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you?
Cause Onegu is known to afk as mafia? :D
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On October 30 2020 03:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2020 03:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you? Cause Onegu is known to afk as mafia? :D
Currently Onegu asking for his "lost item" sounds like Thanos to me. I think there's a possibility he has a KP based off the rules.
1. The holder is killed. The killer will then take the item(s) from the previous holder’s dead body. In the event that two people both killed the holder, The item will be randomly assigned to one of the killers.
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