[M][N] Holy Guardians - Cpt 3 - Page 9

On July 14 2020 11:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like if rayn is mafia, his game wasn't perfect. He idiotically bussed his partner D1, Trfel could've ridden for D1 and came back blazing D2 it happens ALL the time. There's no long-con justification for bussing your partner D1 in mafia it's a numbers game dog.

On July 10 2020 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Firstly, i have to say that i think there is no reason why Trfel's scumbuddy isn't possibly voting for him right now assuming Trfel is mafia. Votes on him (aside from me and maybe Chezinu?) are basically because he is inactive. That's easy to fix, Trfel just starts posting and you can take off the vote on your scumbuddy. No harm done.

However i actually do think Trfel's post in itself looks like a mafia post. Basically i see Trfel as paerson who investigates things and asks questions because there is some sort of contradiction to his own thought process of how things should go and he tries to figure out what the person thinks and if it makes sense or not. See for example him questioning Cake last game at the start of the game.

This post though:

...doesn't reall show any of this. First of all the whole question i nthe first place about TT is really stupid and shows no thinking behind it at all. Because TT was fucking mafia in the last game!!!! Trfel thinking TT was town last game doesn't mean shit because Trfel was WRONG and if TT is town this game, there FOR SURE is a difference in his play (regardless of if anyone can notice it or not at that point). Like the whole question feels like a throwaway thing based on no thinking at all. It just.... doesn't make any sense to me that THIS is what Trfel has to say when he comes and posts. Coming in late makes it more likely you make mistakes as mafia, and i think Trfel made on here.

Also a smaller point is that yeah, as i said earlier, people who feel the need to tell that they forgot about the game starting (regardless of if it is true or not) are more likely to be mafia. That's a fact. No matter when you start posting there should be no reason for a townie to feel the need to explain why they haven't been posting so far.

On July 03 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not sure if people understand my read on ES, definitely don't understand why some people call it a bad read. My read is based on the fact ES seems (first) to be having an opinion on how Grack plays, then follows the logic further and comes to a conclusion that makes no sense. I can somehow understand this from town perspective still because ES seems to be a player who dumps everything she currently thinks into the thread and possibly can make logical mistakes (reference; the gunsmith game for those who know). That's why i unvoted. I was not sure. But then she did it again with HF. Like she literally said HF is super strong mafia player and then she went on saying if HF is mafia he is just gonna afk and we kill him. That's strike two and noone ever says that as town if the starting point is that HF is ridiculously strong mafia player. If someone has an opinion on someone else's play based on meta they NEVER contradict that opinion straight up as town, i am just not going to believe it.

I am letting Eywa off the hook at least until ES flip because i think ES is mafia, lately Eywa has made sense regardless of if i agree with her or not, and i think bussing would be stupid here, double bussing ridiculously stupid. I don't believe there is any chance they are mafia together and i think ES is scum so there is that.

I had a townread on grack early on because i decided (after his last scumgame) to read him like i read yamato. Grackaroni is quite a low quantity poster. His post early on where he asks kind of a throwaway question on Trfel made me think there is some sort of thought process in his head. I gave him a slight townread for that. When he came back and followed up his stuff he actually DID follow it up and it even made sense. When Grack was mafia he didn't really post anything "bad", in fact he posted all the right things but all that together was some random right things. The bus on Vivax especially threw me off there. There was not really any train of thought seen from his posting, if you get what i mean. rn i think it's different, however i am not fan of Grack's read on ES, especially the reasoning behind his read, because -- just like trfel's -- the reasoning doesn't really make anyone anything, it's a surface level read and easy to make without saying anything wrong, but there is really nothing that should make the opposing player anything. I guess they could be mafia together but i do not want to lynch Grack over ES.

I am not a fan of Trfel at all. I have pretty much no idea what he is doing and what he is trying to achieve. It feels like mafia!disformation-style-of-posting where you say stuff and look like youre thinking about stuff but you don't really say anything or do anything and everyone just ignores you.

Idk if i missed something. I have a friend over at my place so i am trying to read along and i will kick him out at latest 1 hour before deadline to be around.

On July 14 2020 13:11 Jockmcplop wrote:


OK I'll vote with you on chez.

I'm not going to be able to get you to vote rayn whatever happens.
All i'll say is if its rayn i'm going to kick and scream postgame.

On July 14 2020 13:21 Jockmcplop wrote:


Not exactly he was more subtle but he did mention ES in almost every single post in the last few pages of his filter there when she was dead.

On July 14 2020 13:24 Jockmcplop wrote:


I already voted with you its fine. I'm assuming you won't vote for rayn today.
I wish slam would come back. Either way chez has a good % chance of being mafia even if i personally think its slightly more likely to be rayn.

To rayn's credit I haven't found his play particularly frustrating to play against and he hasn't wasted huge amounts of time with extreme arguing and long posts, and those are things i would look for in mafia rayn. Then again he hasn't been in any danger at any point.

On July 14 2020 20:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Look, all I know is that TT died after trying to depocket rayn from Chez on D1, on a night when night actions were directed at he/Chez.

On D2 Chez did nothing but gloat about Trfel dying, and on N2 Cake died after intimating suspicion on Chez and claiming a blue role.

On July 15 2020 11:07 Alakaslam wrote:
I’m still here. Just not seeing a scenario where one of not Jock or Rayn is scum. But also

Not seeing a particularly strong case for anyone being town. And having sussed everyone at this point.