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+ Show Spoiler + On April 29 2020 16:45 Vivax wrote: im on phone formatting will keep it short. your case sounds an awful lot like you are implying that kurumi is doing what jock did in holy guardians except you did so at a time when trfel had at most 4 or 5 posts that didnt say much about his alignment. also again you are acting like you know my alignment from the start when ive been mostly shitposting before. ill play devils advocate with myself later but i find it odd atm that you and trfel didnt have the dejavus i had there. I remember the other game you are talking about and reading through the thread I did get flashbacks. I don't really get how you go from noticing the similarities to rayn having motivations other than scumhunting. Like you think rayn saw that trfel as lynchbait worked in the last game for town so he's leveraging the same idea as mafia and hoping that no-one will notice, with probably half the people playing in both games? I can't really see it. Its simpler just to think that trfel as lynchbait worked last time, kurumi wasn't here last time, rayn is thinking it might work again and get us a day 1 hit. The one thing I do agree with here is it looks like rayn is assuming you are town. I guess I can understand that based on meta (maaaaaaayyyyyybe), and he did say he townread you so its probably just a read more than an assumption. As for trfel's opening, stuff like that isn't really worth discussing unless he disappears at times that are overly convenient for mafia. + Show Spoiler + Is it bad or not? Let's let Team Liquid decide. On April 29 2020 05:41 GlowingBear wrote: This post is bad and you should feel bad for it. oh. @Glowingbear why is this such a bad post to you? I mean I don't agree with it really or see how it will have the intended effect but it doesn't seem so bad from an AI perspective @Kurumi: + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2020 07:48 Kurumi wrote: What do you mean? So far they've: -started the game out by saying they're going to be lazy -asked Alakaslam what does he mean with people giving excuses (see previous point, wut?) -asked me how I'm going to play and fished for whether I checked out the player roster for past games and meta -now questions GlowingBear about Vivax which is first "OK" thing. I have no idea why you're pushing back on Trfel so much given that all I've done is cast some shade on them. On April 29 2020 08:10 Kurumi wrote: Besides, bringing more information into the thread is never wrong, especially when we establish connections people have to each other based on their reactions and interactions. Would you say that trfel asking the questions he asked brought more information into the thread? I mean, I now know who you have played with before and am better able to judge the different way you might interact with me compared to say rayn... which is useful. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 29 2020 10:09 Alakaslam wrote: Gonna have to side with Kurumi on the logic train. Defend yourself, not others, even when scum. Because it be scummy until the town begins wearing trousers on their head. Then defense the ally. On April 29 2020 15:17 Alakaslam wrote: Stuff getting really strangely simple. Like straight up people make excuse = they is scum. If Vivax is right. But it is funny, Trfel being more active than anyone else post excuse has me feeling townie on him even though it literally points scummier than before. Like, my head and my gut disagree I find these posts pretty scummy, like you want to agree with Kurumi but then want to back out for some reason. You seem so sure in one post and unsure in the next. Kurumi's logic train very much had to do with his suspicions on trfel and you seemed sure about it but then next thing you're like "yeah but maybe not." and that's it. Also, Kurumi's logic, I pointed out above why its bad logic. On the one hand, he says that all trfel has done is ask questions, but trfel's questions brought more information into the thread, which Kurumi says is 'never bad'. I don't think Kurumi is using consistent scumhunting logic here in going after trfel. | ||
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On April 30 2020 00:18 ShoCkeyy wrote: So far I have Slam, Koshi, and Kurumi on my possibly mafia list. Why koshi? | ||
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On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote: + Show Spoiler + Trfel raynpelikoneet I have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will. And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting? On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote: -snip- However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious. Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool. So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy. ##vote Trfel Holy wall of text Batman. You also seem overdefensive in this post (for someone who doesn't have any votes on them.) Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. Are you sure trfel was lying and didn't just get into the game more than he expected to? | ||
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On April 30 2020 00:27 Kurumi wrote: I do know. I've been part of this forum for 9 years now and did my fair share of spamming. Trfel's questions were useless or bad. One they asked Alakaslam made absolutely no sense given that Trfel was one giving a cop-out. The way they questioned me about my opening post was not to make me introduce me into the game, but to learn how committed I am to the game. Why do they need to know how committed I am to the game? Well, it makes deciding how the N1 KP goes. I don't know whether to disagree with you or scumread you. I can't see how you've had such a reaction to rayn and trfel questioning how you started the game. You seem genuinely pissed off and i don't get why. Trfel's post is one that you see in about 70% of game openings and sometimes its a town post; sometimes its a mafia post, but you really can't tell from whether someone follows up on day 1 by being exactly as active as they said they would. I also really don't buy this theory that rayn and trfel are mafia coming after you for pinging trfel. Mafia are probably trying to hide or just watch right now. Maybe one of them is, but both, like this on day one? Nah On April 30 2020 00:32 ShoCkeyy wrote: That entrance is sounds totally like Koshi mafia entrance. say no more ##vote: koshi  | ||
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On April 30 2020 00:58 Kurumi wrote: Wall of text? You people don't do big list posts or case posts anymore? As for the overdefensive comment, I'll take that as a good joke. Why do they think they have to get into the game more when all that's happened is I pinged them out? Overdefensive much, huh? I meant wall of text as in you didn't press enter at all and it makes it harder to read. Then that's bad practice you allow it. It sets up a potential deflection with "well, gee I told you guys I'm not going to do much..." which only creates confusion in the discussion. Look at what's happened: I call out Trfel ever so slightly and rayn comes swinging at me for no reason, so deep to even implicate himself, but never pushing himself to vote, mostly attacking me instead of defending Trfel. Meh. Most of the time posts like that come from town. Anywayit looks to me like rayn's just pressuring you to see what happens. As for trfel he could be mafia but he hasn't posted anything so far that makes me think he is. As for you comment to what Mafia is currently doing... why? You just voted Koshi, who's posted NOTHING besides promise of contributing for "pressure". He's pressured himself already a lot more than your vote did. And Shockeyy's. You're abandoning what's already developed in the thread to deflect onto one of the lurkers. Clearly my tongue was in my cheek for that vote, hence the smiley and the fact that of course i don't just believe shockeyy that koshi made his mafia entrance, or even has a koshi style of mafia entrance. And what the fuck is this "Maybe one of them is, but both, like this on day one? Nah". WHY? So you scumread one of them? What is this sentence even? I just don't think mafia would expose and align themselves that much as to both push you at the same time when nothing else has happened/is happening. I don't scumread either of them tbh. | ||
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On April 30 2020 01:31 Fecalfeast wrote: Wait jock says his vote on koshi was jokes? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Nah I genuinely thought he was mafia after his one post and shockeyy saying that post made him mafia. I was convinced. but alas! Now I have seen the light. ##unvote: koshi | ||
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On May 01 2020 03:39 Trfel wrote: I don't know, honestly I never understood "mindmeld" stuff. To me, agreeing with someone or having the same thoughts as someone never means they are confirmed town or anything like that. Yes, I think GlowingBear could be wrong on Kurumi as town. I don't see why not? Here's how I see the 'mindmeld' thing. Its entirely meta based, or should be, from a town perspective. There's one guy on MU who reliably mindmelds with me on day 1 more than once if we're both town. Like every single game. If it happens, I know to townread him. Townreading someone off a mindmeld just because they said what you are thinking is absolutely terrible imo. If that's how you see the game, mafia just needs to make educated guesses at how you are seeing the game and get easy townreads. I do like how GB reevaluated his read on me though, it would have been super easy for him to keep pushing a SR on me, especially because I still hadn't posted at that point, so even though i see his early townread on kurumi as a bit suspicious, he's probably a town lean for me. also @glowingbear: + Show Spoiler + the two koshi posts, although I don't need to, I feel I should explain. The first post was a joke with a joke vote. You probably think that's stupid, fair enough. The second post was sarcasm, as trfel pointed out. There was no way I could hard scumread koshi from what he had posted so far in the thread, i was being sarcastic. read this again carefully from the perspective that I am being sarcastic: Nah I genuinely thought he was mafia after his one post and shockeyy saying that post made him mafia. I was convinced. I get now that responding to people not understanding a joke vote with sarcasm that people might also not understand isn't smart. I take responsibility for that. ------------ About shockeyy: On May 01 2020 03:09 ShoCkeyy wrote: GlowingBear: (3) Koshi, FecalFeast, Vivax ShoCkeyy: (3) Alakaslam, Trfel, Raynpelikoneet There's an obvious two mafia here. The third one can also be here, or just not voting, on some one else. But I definitely suspect two mafia here. Sorry Rayn, but I can't trust you on this. Given how probability works, and I know I'm not mafia; there's a very good and strong chance mafia is lined up here to lynch some one. At first I really liked Fefe pushing that post of shockeyy's. I was almost scumreading shockeyy based on him simply not explaining the post at all, and it not really making sense from most points of view that I could summon up. However, I think that's a really superficial reading and yes I'm sussing Fefe because of that. That post does make sense if you consider that shockeyy is scumreading the people who started both wagons (koshi and slam) before he made this post, and also sussing other people who are on the wagons. I think its consistent with his previous reads that he would see the two wagons as containing two obvious scum. His vote was on koshi and he SRs slam who started a wagon on him. If you look at shockeyy's other reads it also makes sense to think that if one of koshi/slam is not scum, then someone else on the wagons would be. TL:DR Shockeyy's 'two scum on these wagons' post makes perfect sense in the context of his other reads. I think I actually townread shockeyy for this. Quotes to support: + Show Spoiler + First he suspects Fefe + Show Spoiler + On May 01 2020 03:01 ShoCkeyy wrote: Rayn, please just re-read the thread and the interactions between GB and Koshi. I feel like most people here don't read and just base decisions on others decisions. I'm putting pressure on Slam, because I personally think that Koshi and Slam are partners. Could Jock be in there? sure? But what GB is saying about Koshi relieving pressure on Jock is true. I personally hope that Jock didn't roll mafia again, but that Koshi play right there can be two things. True mafia work, or town work. Slam voting me, 15 mins after not wanting to vote for me screams setup play between the two for D2. He already scumreads koshi and slam + Show Spoiler + On May 01 2020 03:09 ShoCkeyy wrote: GlowingBear: (3) Koshi, FecalFeast, Vivax ShoCkeyy: (3) Alakaslam, Trfel, Raynpelikoneet There's an obvious two mafia here. The third one can also be here, or just not voting, on some one else. But I definitely suspect two mafia here. Sorry Rayn, but I can't trust you on this. Given how probability works, and I know I'm not mafia; there's a very good and strong chance mafia is lined up here to lynch some one. Then he makes this post. He suspects that slam and koshi are partners. However, he also suspects Fefe. From this its easy to see why he thinks that there's two scum on these wagons, unless you haven't looked in his ISO or read his posts properly. | ||
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On May 01 2020 14:11 Trfel wrote: If I stop focusing on GlowingBear's alignment and look at others, I see Koshi being mafia a lot more easily than I see raynpelikoneet being mafia. But I'm listening to what people say about raynpelikoneet, it would be dumb to ignore. Suspicious of Koshi because: Says he likes ShoCkeyy possibly even less than GlowingBear, says he could move from GlowingBear to ShoCkeyy at the deadline, then doesn't do so. Says he votes for the scummiest low-activity poster while voting GlowingBear instead of ShoCkeyy (after GlowingBear's string of update posts). .............. Calls for vigilante shot on Chezinu instead of ShoCkeyy, who has been his secondary target previously Thoughts? If this is suggesting koshi/shockeyy mafia I don't think so. Shockeyy's hard scumread on koshi is too much for early bussing imo. Otherwise I think the best part of this case is here:+ Show Spoiler + Mild "don't lynch Kurumi" post. Feels so mild-mannered for Koshi, who is usually such an aggressive poster. He doesn't seem to care much about who gets lynched between GlowingBear, his super scumread, and Kurumi, his townread. Tells raynpelikoneet to keep voting for Kurumi while sticking on GlowingBear himself Its really hard to parse town motivation from these two posts. It looks like there's a contradiction, like don't townread kurumi for that post he made but we shouldn't lynch him but don't stop voting him based on that post. If you didn't want kurumi lynched, your objective should be to stop town from lynching him. why would you tell rayn to ignore that post and suggest that kurumi might be mafia for posting it? | ||
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On May 01 2020 20:35 Koshi wrote: Kurumi cheated and deserved to die. You shouldnt talk about getting replaced and shit like that. It's 99% times town being truthful over mafia doing a very dirty trick. Ah I don't know you well enough to know if this would make you ignore the townread you had on him if you're town. I'm suspicious. 'He's town but he can die because i don't like what he did' is bad. Its an easy out for mafia to position themselves as being ok with the mislynch, and it gives you a moral argument about the game which is not useful. Who cares if he deserves to die if he's town? What wincon are we playing to here? Also mafia would be much more likely to pissed off at him for pulling that kinda stuff. | ||
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They independently seem scummy. Koshi for his EoD with kurumi as explained above and Fefe for his push on shockeyy which only takes a brief look at shockeyy's reads and filter to debunk. Add to that Koshi hard townreading Fefe in a way that looks like it could never change and Fefe barely mentioning koshi in his 5 page filter except to pressure shockeyy about his scumread on koshi. | ||
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On April 29 2020 09:45 Alakaslam wrote: Meh, NAI but also unnecessary. Just kinda bad. I cant always be here, I don’t have to go on and on about my daily teaching schedule or coronavirus actually making me busier and whatnot. I just show up when I can. Because I’m town, and therefore dont give a shit what people think. On May 01 2020 03:31 Alakaslam wrote: I dont care about my image I care about finding scum. If you want to waste your vote on me then go ahead and do it. On May 01 2020 05:25 Alakaslam wrote: “Slam you shit at scum, cant you see? How can you be this stupid slam?” Trash your vote then, you all ready know I dont give a cuss what you think of my alignment or anyone else for that matter, if I get lynched I get lynched. Go back to being productive and stop insulting my scum play. If slam really doesn't care what people think shouldn't that come through in his posting without him having to tell us twice a day that he doesn't care? Honestly the way he went off at people for (in slam's view) insinuating that he might be a sloppy mafia player really makes me think he's just overcompensating for mafia paranoia. | ||
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On May 01 2020 22:28 Vivax wrote: Thanks. Jock can you stop putting stuff in spoilers? It really helps. Confirms what I was thinking, anyways, tho I fell for it before the sarcasm. But also kinda obvious answer if he's mafia. Okay, debunk it please? I already did. On May 01 2020 20:12 Jockmcplop wrote: At first I really liked Fefe pushing that post of shockeyy's. I was almost scumreading shockeyy based on him simply not explaining the post at all, and it not really making sense from most points of view that I could summon up. However, I think that's a really superficial reading and yes I'm sussing Fefe because of that. That post does make sense if you consider that shockeyy is scumreading the people who started both wagons (koshi and slam) before he made this post, and also sussing other people who are on the wagons. I think its consistent with his previous reads that he would see the two wagons as containing two obvious scum. His vote was on koshi and he SRs slam who started a wagon on him. If you look at shockeyy's other reads it also makes sense to think that if one of koshi/slam is not scum, then someone else on the wagons would be. TL:DR Shockeyy's 'two scum on these wagons' post makes perfect sense in the context of his other reads. I think I actually townread shockeyy for this. Quotes to support: + Show Spoiler + First he suspects Fefe + Show Spoiler + On May 01 2020 03:01 ShoCkeyy wrote: Rayn, please just re-read the thread and the interactions between GB and Koshi. I feel like most people here don't read and just base decisions on others decisions. I'm putting pressure on Slam, because I personally think that Koshi and Slam are partners. Could Jock be in there? sure? But what GB is saying about Koshi relieving pressure on Jock is true. I personally hope that Jock didn't roll mafia again, but that Koshi play right there can be two things. True mafia work, or town work. Slam voting me, 15 mins after not wanting to vote for me screams setup play between the two for D2. He already scumreads koshi and slam + Show Spoiler + On May 01 2020 03:09 ShoCkeyy wrote: GlowingBear: (3) Koshi, FecalFeast, Vivax ShoCkeyy: (3) Alakaslam, Trfel, Raynpelikoneet There's an obvious two mafia here. The third one can also be here, or just not voting, on some one else. But I definitely suspect two mafia here. Sorry Rayn, but I can't trust you on this. Given how probability works, and I know I'm not mafia; there's a very good and strong chance mafia is lined up here to lynch some one. Then he makes this post. He suspects that slam and koshi are partners. However, he also suspects Fefe. From this its easy to see why he thinks that there's two scum on these wagons, unless you haven't looked in his ISO or read his posts properly. I can stop using spoilers if you want. | ||
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On May 01 2020 22:14 Vivax wrote: What are you talking about. Where did he talk about getting replaced because I can't find it on a quick read. On May 01 2020 03:44 Kurumi wrote: I waited until my lynch was more or less assured, I asked for a replacement 11 and half hours ago because I couldn't muster any interest to play this game. So to make sure you don't make me suffer another fucking cycle I decided to come and say hi. You mad? | ||
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On May 01 2020 22:59 Vivax wrote: Thanks, I'm getting anoptic or something. Looked at Shockey's 'there's two scum here' stuff and can't figure out why he was so sure of GB being a town wagon here when he previously posted 'I think Koshi is more likely mafia than GB'. Doesn't exactly scream 100% confidence on the GB wagon being on town. So no Jock, I don't see how it is easy to see why thinks there's two scum on the wagons. It literally only makes sense if you argue he was so sure that Koshi was mafia that he was never going to think that GB could be. But then why didn't he say so? But literally all of his scumreads and people that he is suspicious of are on those two wagons. It makes perfect sense that he says that's where scum is. | ||
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On May 01 2020 23:35 Vivax wrote: He mentioned Slam and Koshi before. That is fine, except I'm not okay with the way he went after Koshi. But then he pulls out the wagons, and says there's got to be two mafia on them. Then adds me and FF to a random list because he says he TRs Trfel and rayn. If he said 'look I know I'm town and I think there's scum on my wagon', then that would be okay. But why both wagons, and why two mafia? FF he also suspected, although it was just an offhand comment about maybe ff being mafia. | ||
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On May 01 2020 23:53 GlowingBear wrote: I'm over the joke posts, it seems I was the only one who didn't get it. I didn't read Kurumi as town just because I thought we mindmelded in the early day1. It was ONE of the reasons why I felt he was town. But I've talked a lot about it. What do you think of Vivax? I'm null on him at the moment. Basically I disagree with most of what he has written but for me and vivax that happens in most games so NAI. I'm open to him being scum, but for now I've put him in the 'read later when more information is available' pile. Grack and chez too. The read I'm most struggling with at the moment is rayn. He isn't definitely town yet at all. None of these are a priority for a day 2 lynch for me though. I'm in a koshi/Fefe/slam world. Do you have any thoughts on that or anything else i've posted today? | ||
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On May 02 2020 00:01 GlowingBear wrote: Exactly what I thought about Trfel's post. Good  Yeah I noticed that too, I was just waiting to see if you would point it out. | ||
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On May 02 2020 01:00 Alakaslam wrote: Hey so @ Jock If you read ShoCkeyy’s filter you will see him making little remarks as if he is trying to convince me I am scum like twice a day. I will do exactly whatever the fuck I will do and I’m not changing to make ShoCkeyy think I am town. Fine... you do you, but ima get suspicious when someone keeps saying they don't care what anyone thinks. Its like you're trying to convince us of that, or yourself, either of which undermines the idea that you don't care what anyone thinks. I guess you probably don't care what I think about that though. I'll go reread shockeyy's filter with that in mind, since a bunch of people are saying he's mafia. I think he's town though. | ||
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On May 02 2020 00:55 Grackaroni wrote: I could really vote a whole bunch of people though tbh. Which ones? | ||
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So you could lynch Fefe. GB is saying he's definitely town. What do you think of that? | ||
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On May 02 2020 05:59 ShoCkeyy wrote: There's only two possible scenarios with the information above, either they're trying to frame GB or GB is mafia. Also it eliminates one of the people from your PoE list (with regards to the two wagons) So now there's two scum in koshi, slam and Vivax from your perspective right? On May 01 2020 03:16 ShoCkeyy wrote: If I assume rayn and trfel are town, which I already do think they're town, the list I'm left with out of those voting on myself and GB as: Koshi, | ||
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I have some rethinking to do in the morning. | ||
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If you have a read on rayn that you could give us a clue about I would find that really helpful. Thanks. | ||
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On May 02 2020 16:09 Vivax wrote: Actually I'll banish that thought for now. Doubt I'd lynch Trfel today anyway. Gonna wait on this instead. I mean, don't wait for this.. Fefe dying makes me question my koshi read alot, which in turn makes me question my other reads. I have to decide whether i still think shockeyy is town, because I was basing most of my reads on that one. I need to filter 4-5 players today though before i know where i'm at. | ||
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On May 02 2020 17:01 Trfel wrote: Fine. I'll make a phone case. No pretty quotes or links, so you'll have to read GlowingBear's filter too. GlowingBear 1. Scumread Koshi for misconstruing GlowingBear's play. However, note the timing, he scumread Koshi well after this all started. Despite GlowingBear not having a townread on Koshi, he got mad at Koshi and treated Koshi like town and never questioned that he could be mafia until much later, when raynpelikoneet asks him about Koshi. This doesn't feel natural at all. Town tend to be quick to call their accusers scum, especially when they feel misrepresented and ignored and all the things GlowingBear was saying. 2. Shifting reads. His scumreads shift in priority in a way that doesn't make sense. First he says Jockmcplop is mafia, and Alakaslam second. Then he says Jockmcplop and Koshi are mafia, and raynpelikoneet or Alakaslam. Then he was making a case on raynpelikoneet to defend himself (huh?). Then most recently raynpelikoneet as top mafia. It doesn't feel like he is putting much thought into his scumreads. 3. Evaluates my post on Koshi at face value. While this is objectively good, I don't see this coming from town who strongly scumreads Koshi and cares about his alignment. GlowingBear's thoughts are correct, and that's the issue here. GlowingBear doesn't use it as an opportunity to convince me to vote for Koshi or anything. Not that he should lie, or ignore my points being weak, but he could have directed me to stronger reasons to scumread Koshi. Or pointed out the strength of my remaining point instead of merely saying it was the strongest point I provided. Feels like he is just sharing his thoughts instead of actually caring about people's alignments. Sorry if that doesn't make sense, I know it's a lot of words. There are a few other points I could make, but I figured I would just bring up these things now. ##vote GlowingBear RE: point 3, how does my analysis of your koshi post effect your read on me? | ||
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On May 02 2020 23:17 Trfel wrote: Honestly it doesn't really, especially since GlowingBear said the same thing first. You're wrong, I said the same thing first, GB turned up later and then said my post agreed with his, but mine was first. | ||
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On May 01 2020 20:31 Jockmcplop wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 01 2020 14:11 Trfel wrote: If I stop focusing on GlowingBear's alignment and look at others, I see Koshi being mafia a lot more easily than I see raynpelikoneet being mafia. But I'm listening to what people say about raynpelikoneet, it would be dumb to ignore. Suspicious of Koshi because: Says he likes ShoCkeyy possibly even less than GlowingBear, says he could move from GlowingBear to ShoCkeyy at the deadline, then doesn't do so. Says he votes for the scummiest low-activity poster while voting GlowingBear instead of ShoCkeyy (after GlowingBear's string of update posts). .............. Calls for vigilante shot on Chezinu instead of ShoCkeyy, who has been his secondary target previously Thoughts? If this is suggesting koshi/shockeyy mafia I don't think so. Shockeyy's hard scumread on koshi is too much for early bussing imo. Otherwise I think the best part of this case is here:+ Show Spoiler + Mild "don't lynch Kurumi" post. Feels so mild-mannered for Koshi, who is usually such an aggressive poster. He doesn't seem to care much about who gets lynched between GlowingBear, his super scumread, and Kurumi, his townread. Tells raynpelikoneet to keep voting for Kurumi while sticking on GlowingBear himself Its really hard to parse town motivation from these two posts. It looks like there's a contradiction, like don't townread kurumi for that post he made but we shouldn't lynch him but don't stop voting him based on that post. If you didn't want kurumi lynched, your objective should be to stop town from lynching him. why would you tell rayn to ignore that post and suggest that kurumi might be mafia for posting it? On May 01 2020 23:47 GlowingBear wrote: The first three points and the last one are basically associative. As town, you can say you'd lynch someone that seems to be a wild card instead of his main scumread. I've done this dozens of time. Last game we've played together I lynched Kelsier over you, my top scumread. This is only a strong point IF Shockey is mafia. Whenever I'm fed up with lurkers I also prefer to lynch them over top scum reads. The points where he keeps saying to lynch Kurumi instead of having me lynched is stronger, especially when he has been a lot tunneled on me. The strongest point is that Koshi hardly reevaluates his reads, he just assumed Jock=town/GB=mafia and went with it, interpreting every post under this conviction, instead of reevaluating his position with new information dropped in thread. Easy way to survive as mafia while still looking contributive. | ||
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On May 01 2020 12:50 Fecalfeast wrote: I have scum reads or at least scumleans on shockey slam gb chezinu and atm grack And i was scumming kurumi but actually can you show me where i threw suspicion everyehere? Pointing out or questioning perceived contradictions is hardly throwing suspicion So these are the people that are implicated/framed by the Fefe kill. Here's how I was on them before Fefe's kill: town shockeyy town lean GB null: chez grack scum slam I think i'm more likely to townlean grack now just because of his attitude and tone. GB stays where he is. I'm really not convinced of trfel's case on him at all. In fact I flat out disagree with it. Which leaves chez and slam in the null/scum sections. This makes me uncomfortable, they aren't two players who I want to build a view of the game on assuming their alignment, as they are both very difficult to read. I think shockeyy is the most important player right now. I'm gonna go and reread all the reasons people have for scumreading him. I already said why i disagree with Fefe's reasons for scumreading shockeyy and his flip doesn't change my reasoning there at all. I still have a strong feeling that koshi and shockeyy are opposite alignments. | ||
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Rayn voted him because he didn't like shockeyy trying to lynch koshi, but rayn also backed down pretty quickly and went for people he was more strongly scumreading (some town points to rayn for this by the way). Slam's reason seems to be about a beef with shockeyy and the way shockeyy has called him mafia alot. I'm using a particular post slam made to me about it for reference as to slam's reasoning. Trfel seems like rayn, kind of not really bothered about lynching shockeyy: On May 01 2020 02:50 Trfel wrote: ##unvote ##vote ShoCkeyy Underwhelming filter. I like Vivax's (?) point about ShoCkeyy saying he voted Koshi only for a pressure vote, but also saying that Koshi's opening was a mafia opening. He's yet to give any other reasons to suspect Koshi. And more importantly, he's just saying recently "I like GlowingBear more than Koshi" while voting for Alakaslam, while GlowingBear is leading the lynch and Koshi or Alakaslam aren't really in contention. Not sold on it but maybe it'll work? Possibly just seeing what would happen with the wagon if he voted there. His point about saying he voted koshi for a pressure vote and also saying koshi's opening was mafia is the only thing i agree looks bad here. I disagree with drawing conclusions from how shockeyy was voting slam while GB was up for lynch. I don't think that looks bad on shockeyy and he never showed interest in particularly trying to save GB, but was voting for a scumread. I still think shockeyy is town here. I just can't see any case for him being mafia except his early thing with the read on koshi, and that's nowhere near enough to scumread him when his reads have been consistent, and consistent with his voting also. | ||
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On May 02 2020 07:40 Koshi wrote: From reading fefe filter and my own scumreads I decided to this. ##Vote shockey What was it in Fefe's filter that made you vote shockeyy? Have you read the post where I responded to Fefe's pressure on shockeyy? | ||
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On May 03 2020 06:56 Trfel wrote: Hm, that makes sense, fair enough. I'll keep my vote on GlowingBear for now (I'm most confident he is mafia) but I guess I could vote for raynpelikoneet if things keep going this way. Also, sorry Jockmcplop, realized I forgot to respond to you. I am sorry for being incorrect. For some reason I'm having trouble finding the posts in your filter. I take it the reason you ask is because you're scumreading Koshi too, so the same logic that it looks suspicious for GlowingBear should look suspicious for you too. That makes sense but I don't think it really applies to this case, since this is more of an emotional point. GlowingBear should be much more emotionally invested in his scumread of Koshi if he is town, and I would expect that to come out much more in his play. OK. Thanks for responding. I don't like this argument, at least I can't go along with it, because someone's emotional investment in the game is something you get to know about each individual player and I don't really know GB at all. If I was sure you were town I would be more likely to take your word for it, but I'm not. As for the other parts of your case: 1. Scumread Koshi for misconstruing GlowingBear's play. However, note the timing, he scumread Koshi well after this all started. Despite GlowingBear not having a townread on Koshi, he got mad at Koshi and treated Koshi like town and never questioned that he could be mafia until much later, when raynpelikoneet asks him about Koshi. This doesn't feel natural at all. Town tend to be quick to call their accusers scum, especially when they feel misrepresented and ignored and all the things GlowingBear was saying. Point 1 does get my interest. Do you have quotes to back this up? 2. Shifting reads. His scumreads shift in priority in a way that doesn't make sense. First he says Jockmcplop is mafia, and Alakaslam second. Then he says Jockmcplop and Koshi are mafia, and raynpelikoneet or Alakaslam. Then he was making a case on raynpelikoneet to defend himself (huh?). Then most recently raynpelikoneet as top mafia. It doesn't feel like he is putting much thought into his scumreads. Point 2 is actually the reason i was townreading GB to start with. I think he would have taken the opportunity to get a mislynch on me rather than just townreading me because I didn't vote. He's reacting to what is happening in the thread. I take it you think these reactions are not genuine looking. Is that because of bad reasoning or just a feeling you get? | ||
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i think Slam is the only person aside from the people who were on Kurumi and GB can actually be mafia. On May 03 2020 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know some people are saying Jock is re-evaluating the game after the FF flip but i don't really see it. I honestly first thouhg Jock is town because why would he kill FF, his scumread (unless GB is mafia too -- but right now i don't expect that to be true). Just look at Jock's re-evaluation: - First he says he needs to re-evaluate things because FF his scumread died - He never evaluates GB, which is the first thing he should do - The he says he need to reread Shockeyy because "a lot of alignments depend on Shockeyys" (i dont even understand why he thinks that because he never explains anything about it) - But he doesn't really reread Shockeyy on any level, he just comes back with some random posts and says that Shockeyy is town because ??? and Koshi and Shockeyy are opposing alignments and because of a BAD post Shockeyy made on Koshi that could make him think Shockeyy actually could be mafia but without no investigation on that ever in the game he just ends up on Shockeyy being town again and Koshi being mafia. - Basically he never re-evaluated anything and just ended up with whatever he had before the night kill. That's literally ALL his posts during D2 so basically he hasn't done anything lol... ok 1: I wasn't on Kurumi or GB 2: I looked at FF's filter and went through his scumreads. Its possible to re-evaluate and end up in a similar place to before. 3: I have talked plenty about GB today. 4: Alot of alignments do depend on shockeyy. I think one of shockeyy/koshi is mafia mainly because I think koshi is mafia but if he's town shockeyy's push on him from the beginning of the game looks real bad. Also there's been a consistent push against shockeyy for most of the game so that's why figuring out his alignment is important. 5: I tried to re-evaluate the case against shockeyy to see if my townread was missing something and found that there wasn't a case against him at all. Hence I continued to townread him. I suppose you could just ignore that and replace it with ??? to make me look bad but that's kinda silly. | ||
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On May 03 2020 19:12 Jockmcplop wrote: OK. Thanks for responding. I don't like this argument, at least I can't go along with it, because someone's emotional investment in the game is something you get to know about each individual player and I don't really know GB at all. If I was sure you were town I would be more likely to take your word for it, but I'm not. As for the other parts of your case: Point 1 does get my interest. Do you have quotes to back this up? Point 2 is actually the reason i was townreading GB to start with. I think he would have taken the opportunity to get a mislynch on me rather than just townreading me because I didn't vote. He's reacting to what is happening in the thread. I take it you think these reactions are not genuine looking. Is that because of bad reasoning or just a feeling you get? This whole post is about GB rayn. I engaged trfel about his GB case because trfel was in the thread and scumreading GB. I'm actually in the middle of talking to trfel about it right now, you don't even have to leave the page to see it. I want trfel to go find the quotes to back up point 1 because it might effect my scumread on GB. Or is this all an 'outright lie' too.. Rayn, ask yourself if you are still just tunnelling me. If you are there's no point in discussing this stuff because you won't change your mind no matter what evidence i put in front you. If you're open to admitting that most of the stuff in your previous post was wrong, then that's fine. Who have pushed shockeyy and why are there no posts in your filter in actually trying to figure out what that means? Or if there are please do point me out to them. On May 03 2020 00:30 Jockmcplop wrote: So the people who voted shockeyy are slam, trfel and rayn. Rayn voted him because he didn't like shockeyy trying to lynch koshi, but rayn also backed down pretty quickly and went for people he was more strongly scumreading (some town points to rayn for this by the way). Slam's reason seems to be about a beef with shockeyy and the way shockeyy has called him mafia alot. I'm using a particular post slam made to me about it for reference as to slam's reasoning. Trfel seems like rayn, kind of not really bothered about lynching shockeyy: Possibly just seeing what would happen with the wagon if he voted there. His point about saying he voted koshi for a pressure vote and also saying koshi's opening was mafia is the only thing i agree looks bad here. I disagree with drawing conclusions from how shockeyy was voting slam while GB was up for lynch. I don't think that looks bad on shockeyy and he never showed interest in particularly trying to save GB, but was voting for a scumread. I still think shockeyy is town here. I just can't see any case for him being mafia except his early thing with the read on koshi, and that's nowhere near enough to scumread him when his reads have been consistent, and consistent with his voting also. I thin you're town and i think you're tunnelled. The stuff you say i haven't posted i have actually posted you are just blind to it because you think i'm scum. This is such a townie rayn trait that there's no way i can do anything but townread you for it. If you're going to keep tunnelling like this i'm going to stop responding because unless you are willing listen to what i'm saying and read my filter with an open mind there's no point in me talking to you. | ||
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Its between slam and koshi. I think on balance slam is slightly more likely to flip red. I just can't see any game solving and there's a lot of showing off with very little substance. Rayn why are you townreading koshi? His EoD 1 still looks really bad to me, and his unconditional TR of FF looks worse. | ||
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On May 03 2020 19:59 Vivax wrote: ##Unvote Jock who do you want to lynch? What is this entire conversation about? Do you want to find mafia? My PoE currently: Slam Koshi Chezinu Trfel Vivax | ||
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Yep. I think you've been pretty scummy except for your meta which makes me doubt my read on you. I really hate the push against rayn, and shockeyy for that matter. I can't just ignore that stuff because you are posting enough to be town vivax. Trfel is basically a null read which puts him in my PoE. I have alot of townreads and people i won't lynch this game. Trfel never did anything to make me think he's town. He's making cases but they are all kind of weak. Doesn't make him mafia, but stops me from townreading him. | ||
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On May 03 2020 20:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think there is anything you say about GB's alignment there, nor that it looks like you're even trying to re-evaluate something. You say: - You don't know GB so you dont know what he would do - But then you assume what he would do?? - The only part you seem interested in you are not willing to investigate yourself. Why does Trfel have to go and prove something to you, why aren't you interested in looking into it by yourself? You can open GB's fliter and see if what Trfel says makes sense or not. I never "pushed" shockeyy. Trfel hardly pushed shockeyy. The only person who pushed Shockeyy was slam. Other than that, let's say you actually think me and trfel pushed shockeyy. Why does shockeyy being whatever change your opinion on "a lot of players" (that's literally what you said) because you already think both of me and trfel are town? Like if shockeyy is mafia we are more town? How does that change anything? If shockeyy is town, slam, koshi and vivax and to a lesser extent trfel are all suspects. You say you never pushed shockeyy but you voted for him. Was that an accident or something? I don't think trfel is town any more really. At first i did but i find his play very underwhelming and not really in a townie way. And yeah, you're right, I could go and look at GB's filter myself, but its trfel's case and he wanted opinions on it so he can go find the quotes given that he already knows exactly where they are and what he's referring to. | ||
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On May 03 2020 20:32 Chezinu wrote: ##: unvote ##vote: Trfel aww jock no fun... Its Sunday. No fun on Sundays. | ||
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On May 03 2020 20:42 Vivax wrote: If you found my push on rayn weird I'd expect you to mention it somewhere before, because it's quite a hipster read to have. I'm also not in your scum list from your previous post. Dunno, I find your poe hard to believe. It's like you're reading a different game. My PoE includes null and scum because I have more townreads than scumreads. You/trfel/chez are more null than scummy but you're in the PoE because my only scumreads are slam and koshi (i'm doubting my koshi read now even) and that's not enough scum for a team. | ||
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On May 03 2020 20:01 Jockmcplop wrote: My PoE currently: Slam Koshi Chezinu Trfel Vivax On May 03 2020 20:00 Jockmcplop wrote: ##vote: alakaslam Its between slam and koshi. I think on balance slam is slightly more likely to flip red. I just can't see any game solving and there's a lot of showing off with very little substance. Rayn why are you townreading koshi? His EoD 1 still looks really bad to me, and his unconditional TR of FF looks worse. On May 03 2020 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##unvote ##vote jockmcplop On May 03 2020 21:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: How about we vote for Slam Koshi? On May 03 2020 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so Koshi is either mafia or being very stupid here. lol | ||
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On May 01 2020 20:35 Koshi wrote: Kurumi cheated and deserved to die. You shouldnt talk about getting replaced and shit like that. It's 99% times town being truthful over mafia doing a very dirty trick. On May 03 2020 21:33 Koshi wrote: You stabbed me in the back and went for kurumi and the people in your pockets. ##vote: koshi Better get some votes on shockeyy then koshi | ||
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On May 05 2020 05:40 Chezinu wrote: ##vote Jockmcplop On May 05 2020 15:01 Chezinu wrote: Mafia suspects: 6. Vivax 9. Koshi 12. Trfel 7. Alakaslam 8. Jockmcplop Not even a hint in your filter of this before today. It came out of nowhere, even for you. | ||
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On May 05 2020 15:14 Trfel wrote: Hi Jockmcplop Are you feeling better/have you recovered okay? Yes I feel alot better thanks Pretty exhausted cos I can't sleep at the moment but just about keeping it together lol. I'm sorry to hear about your depression. I went through that for over ten years and it still haunts me every day but we get through it. I hope you keep playing after the lockdowns are over, its always a pleasure. | ||
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On May 05 2020 15:17 Chezinu wrote: Do you really believe that rayn checked Grack, the same person I checked Night 1? Unless I'm missing something.. yeah. | ||
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town: Jock Grack GB null: slam Mafia chez koshi vivax/trfel I'm starting to think slam is town. He's still null rather than a townread, but his tone today isn't one that I can see in his mafia meta and i've looked at all of his mafia games in the archive. He's annoyed and sounds defeated, which i didn't see at all in his meta. He's also been quick to take things personally the whole game and I don't see that much in his mafia meta either. Can I ask why everyone is quick to TR chez? I know he has claimed again but he has claimed like three or four times different roles this game. Why do you believe him unconditionally now with no evidence when you didn't believe him before. It looks more like PR hunting to me. | ||
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On May 05 2020 15:42 Trfel wrote: In all honesty? I see no reason to lynch Chezinu now. I think there's a pretty good chance he's a role, he may not be, but there is no counterclaim. There are almost certainly two town power roles in the game, I haven't seen a game with only one (of 12-13 player size) well, ever. If Chezinu is mafia, his play is bound to be found out as soon as someone else claims, so it's not a good play to make. This means that Chezinu is very likely a town power role, and very likely town. The clincher is that it's not town's problem, it's mafia's problem. Town can wait until there is one mafia left to worry about Chezinu, if it comes down to it. Since he's likely a role, mafia can't wait. They have to figure out how to deal with him sooner. So it's best to keep him alive I know, not the answer you wanted to hear, but it's the best I can do. I would maybe start worrying about it now. | ||
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On May 05 2020 21:16 Vivax wrote: Yo. So, Jock, here we are. ##Vote Jock As you might have figured out yesterday, I have some issues with some reads of yours. Last day you had Trfel and me in your PoE, today also but now you're saying we're mutually exclusively mafia. The reasoning for that is nowhere to be seen. Adding a / is convenient when you're limiting yourself to three scumreads, I can understand that, but it's just lazy. In theory, you are now in a spot where you can singlehandedly save town. Everyone reads your posts. What do you do? You post a list and kinda say 'meh but if I die town loses'. If I were in your spot I'd be on a crusade right now to lynch my scumreads, I'd try to find every single scummy fucker on my wagon and call them out. But we get a meek list with poorly explained reads and somehow I'm mafia with Chez even though we're on the same page with thinking that his play this game has just been blue hunting. Also, he's claiming a roleblock. Question to everyone: Did anyone get roleblocked N1? I went back and looked through every single post after N1 which was a massive pain in the butt and I can assure you I didn't spot any roleblock, unless Jock put one in a spoiler. So here's my problem: Chez is basically coming at mylo, pretended not-so-subtly to be blue all game long, didn't get shot, and after N2 claims that there's a mafia roleblocker that didn't do anything N1. To add insult to injury, Shockeyy said he was masoned with someone who was roleplaying and who he thought was Chez, and that mason is almost guaranteed to be mafia because he didn't claim to confirm Shockeyy's claim. So Jock, I am mafia with Chez? Can we all take a minute to marvel at the mental gymnastics going on in this post? 1: Vivax suggesting he can't be mafia with chez because he thinks that chez was blue hunting and said so earlier in the thread. 2: I also think chez was blue hunting, as i said earlier in the thread. 3: Vivax says that because of this, I am mafia with Chez. Why the double standard on this? I assume you think I am bussing Chez, but you seem angry that I think the same about you. If chez is confirmed scum in your eyes then lynch chez. If you are less sure about me kill me tomorrow, maybe you will realize before that that i'm town. This stuff about you'd rather not buy time isn't sensible. If you're town its really not sensible. Why aren't you buying more time to see if another confirmed scum is revealed? Why not kill the confirmed scum and see what information comes from the night kill to narrow things down? If we kill chez we're out of mylo (maths check please, anyone) and then we have a mislynch to play with. I'm surprised you didn't factor this into your calculations vivax. So with regards to lynching me vs lynching chez, easier is not better, unless you are scum of course. And yeah, chez is definitely mafia here. Like go back and look at his roleplaying posts earlier. Were any of them designed to get a reaction of any kind from anyone, or were they just stuff written in the thread? I expect much better than that from chez, especially with RPing which he seems to enjoy. To me it looks like he felt he had to roleplay here but didn't have any townie purpose behind it at all, and didn't even try to garner any reads out of it (despite a vague assertion that trfel wouldn't normally spot a hint that was never explained), instead using it to try and get reactions from blues. With regards to you/trfel being mutually exclusive, I have mafia spots 1 & 2 taken by chez and koshi, so the third is up for grabs. Unfortunately all of the other contestants had to drop out due to obligations to the town, but you and trfel still get to compete for the prize, don't worry. And as for your poking me to be super active and all over the thread (on a crusade) I can't play like that any more I just don't have the mental energy for it. I mostly make longer but less frequent posts now and that's the way its gonna be. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The biggest question I have to answer right now is whether I would lynch Vivax with chez. My feeling is that no I wouldn't join a lynch that chez has proposed more than once or shown particular interest in. I find Vivax's reasoning over the last page to be very poor and if I had to say why it would have something to do with the ease with which he can lynch me, guilt free, without taking responsibility for it. That could be, and likely is, mafia motivated. Chezinu outright blaming rayn for his vote being on me without providing reasoning other than 'rayn said so', while having me saying i'm his last option for scum, is very similar, but much worse. | ||
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On May 06 2020 13:58 Chezinu wrote: ##Vote: Jockmcplop Then we slam Koshi! If we lose, we blame rayn There is no 'then'  | ||
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trfel vivax chez or trfel vivax koshi trfel's done a fantastic job of convincing everyone to go with his scumread and ignore what people are doing in the thread (koshi, vivax). How? Just flood the thread with 'lynch jock' at the exact moment that people start thinking about why koshi and vivax put their votes where they did! Look at the timing, look at how dismissive he is of vivax and koshi's bad voting. I'm putting those two together here even though vivax's vote was worse imo. Look how he takes advantage of rayn's death to immediately vote me on day 3. Why? Because its the last vote he needs to place, he's excited about the win. Why would he be excited? Because killing rayn and then me is the plan to win and at that point its going off without a hitch. It still is. Does trfel seem even remotely nervous that town is following him into what could be the end of the game for town (from town trfel's perspective)? No. All he wants is to get rid of me, and he isn't thinking about anything else. It looks like he's tunnelling (as he's very happy to point out) but its not tunnelling its distraction. How can't you see that this is all soooooooo mafia? also I can actually see koshi being town here, which is interesting given i've scumread him all game and his vote was even scummier than anything else he's done, but he isn't here trying to push an agenda like trfel is, and he doesn't seem bothered about getting the mislynch (or the game at all). | ||
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On May 06 2020 15:55 Trfel wrote: Out of all of the people you could quote and say this to, why do you choose your biggest scumread? Shouldn't he already know this? :/ I have new reads because of the new information in the thread (strange, i know) Also I can quote anyone i want. You're trying too hard | ||
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If you're so sure that i'm scum wouldn't it bother you that people are putting their votes on me for bad reasons? Doesn't that implicate those people in a bussing situation? Nah. You don't care. Tomorrow doesn't even matter at this point, right? | ||
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On May 02 2020 15:50 Trfel wrote: This is the world I'm living in currently. It's not a fun place to be. Town Maybe Town? Vivax Koshi raynpelikoneet Super Weak Townread ShoCkeyy Grackaroni Alakaslam Jockmcplop Mafia? Chezinu GlowingBear? Mafia On May 02 2020 23:17 Trfel wrote: Honestly it doesn't really, especially since GlowingBear said the same thing first. On May 03 2020 06:56 Trfel wrote: Hm, that makes sense, fair enough. I'll keep my vote on GlowingBear for now (I'm most confident he is mafia) but I guess I could vote for raynpelikoneet if things keep going this way. Also, sorry Jockmcplop, realized I forgot to respond to you. I am sorry for being incorrect. For some reason I'm having trouble finding the posts in your filter. I take it the reason you ask is because you're scumreading Koshi too, so the same logic that it looks suspicious for GlowingBear should look suspicious for you too. That makes sense but I don't think it really applies to this case, since this is more of an emotional point. GlowingBear should be much more emotionally invested in his scumread of Koshi if he is town, and I would expect that to come out much more in his play. On May 04 2020 02:59 Trfel wrote: The other thing is, Jockmcplop seemed like a decent lynch when I reread his filter. He hasn't really been pushing his own ideas, most of his posts are just commentary on other people's posts. It feels like he is "thread police," posting about the validity of other people's ideas, not making his own. And that scares me a lot. I don't know For now I think the difference is I don't want to vote with GlowingBear.##unvote ##vote Jockmcplop Here's trfel on day 2. He has me as a slight townread. Then i question why he is scumreading GB for something that I also did, but not scumreading me for it. Seems like a strange inconsistency. Next thing I know, trfel has me as his top scumread and I haven't moved from there since. Look at the third quote here, he clearly wants to kill GB and still has a weak townread on me. There was no reason he switched from wanting to kill GB to wanting to kill me. GB was his main target. The only reason for the switch to me was that they decided to kill rayn and get everyone to vote me afterwards. Its not a tunnel, its a plan. Just look at the progression. It makes no sense. | ||
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On May 06 2020 16:40 Trfel wrote: Jockmcplop, I'm sorry if I'm being a jerk. The smiley was meant as a joke, to tease you, not insult you. I am terribly sorry if I am somehow wrong. It's just the way I see the game right now, I don't think I am. And as Day 3 has progressed, it only fits my view more and more. I'll try to back off a bit and let you do your thing, feel free to ask me anything though and I will try to politely discuss. You have a vote to support with reasons, after all. I'm not offended trfel you are doing what you have to do! | ||
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On May 06 2020 16:41 Vivax wrote: Sorry Jock, but I don't believe you'd actually believe Trfel is mafia here because of a few gaps in his reads transitions. You could open up any townie filter, including mine, and you'd see me wanting to lynch someone more one day and then another the day after for a bazillion of possible reasons that don't mean someone is mafia. It really only makes sense to think what you're thinking if GB + Trfel are mafia. Then Trfel would have a reason to put GB on the backburner today and to have a clear preference to lynch you instead. Arguing with mafia about why they are mafia isn't really where i wanted to be at this morning tbh. It makes sense because i'm considering what it is that mafia is trying to do, and how, why and when they are trying to do it. Trfel here just fits perfectly. The kill on rayn leads to my mislynch, there's a direct line between the two. Sometime on day trfel suddenly goes from a weak townread on me to a hard scumread and then rayn dies and here we are. | ||
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On May 06 2020 16:52 Vivax wrote: So Jock maybe you can explain to me why Chez decided to vote for you together with his entire delegation of scumreads. Because that's the only guy I'd lynch over you. I can't explain anything chez does. Either he's scum, and i'm totally wrong about my other scumreads, and that's why he voted for me, or he's town and doing something i don't understand. It doesn't make much sense i agree. If I wasn't so sure on trfel and you being scum i would totally lynch chez here but the three of you as a scum team just doesn't work. If chez is scum i literally have no idea who the other scum are. Slam maybe. I can't really see it though. So you think chez and I are scum, who do you think the third scum is? | ||
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On May 06 2020 17:00 Vivax wrote: The way I see it you're telling me my two top town are my teammates and that doesn't fly to well, that goes without saying. I also don't think you'd believe rayn to have been wrong about everything before getting shot. At the very least you should have a mild suspicion of Slam, or some slamdunk (no pun intended) argument for him being town. I already made my argument for slam being scum. I went and looked at every single scum game in his filter. It took me absolutely ages tbh, but I didn't make a big quote wall or anything so it probably got ignored. He just doesn't take things personally in his scum games and doesn't get stressed out like he is here by people scumreading him. Look at what he's saying and think the opposite. When he says he doesn't care what people think its a dead giveaway that he does. But as mafia his posting is the opposite, its chill and fun, exciteable even. Go look at his previous mafia games. You should be able to see the difference. | ||
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in his filter means *in the tl archive. | ||
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For Slam being town not scum morning posting :/ | ||
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On May 06 2020 17:08 Vivax wrote: Gubgub or slam. Don't really feel like it's something I have to think about today. Unless you are town that is, but then your job is to convince me, maybe others why one of those is mafia. We lose otherwise. The way I'm looking at it you're essentially self-destructing with weird hipster reads and I don't take any responsibility at all if you get mislynched. I dont know how to respond to this. I'm going to come back to the thread later when there's some townies here. | ||
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On May 06 2020 17:08 Vivax wrote: The way I'm looking at it you're essentially self-destructing with weird hipster reads and I don't take any responsibility at all if you get mislynched. before i go though i just want to highlight this. back in a few hours. | ||
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On May 06 2020 21:58 Koshi wrote: Ah well. it's not like all town are pushing the same wagon and it is for sure certain that Vivax and Jock are not both mafia. So let's go ##unvote ##Vote Grack Well played mafiosis. What about rayn's green check? You think he's godfather? Could be I guess I didn't even think of that. I assumed rayn's check on grack was all good. Let me go look at grack. | ||
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On May 06 2020 23:00 GlowingBear wrote: You're putting in your scumteam a townread and a green checked player. STONKS What's your scumteam right now? | ||
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On May 06 2020 22:47 Jockmcplop wrote: What about rayn's green check? You think he's godfather? Could be I guess I didn't even think of that. I assumed rayn's check on grack was all good. Let me go look at grack. I've looked through his filter and its just meh to be honest. Koshi how can we lynch a greencheck in MYLO with 3 mafia left? I think its much more likely that koshi is mafia lol. | ||
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On May 07 2020 02:57 Alakaslam wrote: Now we just need the Jock who plops. Although I think that vote is already where it needs to be so I'm here until EoD. Why would he not claim earlier in the day and have your vote somewhere other than the scum he claims he caught? It doesn't make sense. If he wasn't going to claim because he didn't see himself being in danger he would have wanted to signal that he had caught scum asap in the thread, but instead of that he spent the whole day telling everyone that i'm mafia. Unless he always planned to claim at EoD but that doesn't make sense from a town perspective either. My vote is in the right place for sure. | ||
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Was there any signal that he had caught gb? If I was wondering whether to claim or not the first thing i would do with a caught scum is find a way to get it into the thread that i had caught them or at least leave a ninja vote on them or something. Keeping it a secret until later on makes no sense at all unless you know for sure you're going to claim at EoD but why? | ||
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He had to leave. It was the last possible moment really. | ||
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Thanks to my mafia team for saving my ass repeatedly! | ||
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