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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 04 2020 05:45 GMT
#1235
Trfel, the reason you call jock mafia are immediately thrown away when you point out every other post where he talks about people alignment.
In my opinion, he was having genuine reads based on information that was posted in thread, while not taking the easy step of immediately calling me mafia. He was the first one to think I was town, against thread sentiment.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 04 2020 05:50 GMT
#1236
Trfel I also read what you wrote about me and all I can say is that you're calling me mafia for reasons that doesn't make me mafia.

Also, you asked why I was antagonizing you. I started believing you were mafia after scumreading me day and that you were with Shockey. I was upset at the flip, it made no fucking sense from my perspective. I had no doubt shockey was mafia.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 04 2020 06:00 GMT
#1238
On May 04 2020 14:55 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2020 14:45 GlowingBear wrote:
Trfel, the reason you call jock mafia are immediately thrown away when you point out every other post where he talks about people alignment.
In my opinion, he was having genuine reads based on information that was posted in thread, while not taking the easy step of immediately calling me mafia. He was the first one to think I was town, against thread sentiment.
What I'm saying is, Jockmcplop effectively has only made nine posts this game. Nine.

It's like how geript reads me. As annoying as it is, has Jockmcplop said anything smart this game? Has he shown his towniness? He hasn't, and that makes him mafia.

I could go through literally every other post Jockmcplop made and show why it doesn't say anything helpful. I can if that'd be helpful, I felt like I didn't need to though... Jockmcplop's filter is available for everyone to see on their own.


There's also the fact that Jock didn't vote day1 and I hardly believe mafia would just peace out without dropping a vote anywhere.

But I promise I'll check his filter tomorrow and analyse him better. It's just I'm not seeing what you're seeing here.

Is there anything you ask me? You're certainly town. We need to work together.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 04 2020 06:13 GMT
#1240
On May 04 2020 15:09 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2020 15:00 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 04 2020 14:55 Trfel wrote:
On May 04 2020 14:45 GlowingBear wrote:
Trfel, the reason you call jock mafia are immediately thrown away when you point out every other post where he talks about people alignment.
In my opinion, he was having genuine reads based on information that was posted in thread, while not taking the easy step of immediately calling me mafia. He was the first one to think I was town, against thread sentiment.
What I'm saying is, Jockmcplop effectively has only made nine posts this game. Nine.

It's like how geript reads me. As annoying as it is, has Jockmcplop said anything smart this game? Has he shown his towniness? He hasn't, and that makes him mafia.

I could go through literally every other post Jockmcplop made and show why it doesn't say anything helpful. I can if that'd be helpful, I felt like I didn't need to though... Jockmcplop's filter is available for everyone to see on their own.


There's also the fact that Jock didn't vote day1 and I hardly believe mafia would just peace out without dropping a vote anywhere.

But I promise I'll check his filter tomorrow and analyse him better. It's just I'm not seeing what you're seeing here.

Is there anything you ask me? You're certainly town. We need to work together.
He said he had a medical emergency, not voting would have happened as either alignment.

I don't know, honestly. I'm sorry I'm lazy, remind me who you think is mafia?


Probably rayn. His interaction with Koshi sounded T v T but rayn is way too complacent in the game. I had the feeling Slam was town but now I'm starting to believe he is mafia again. I'm not convinced by his reaction "NO SHOCKEY IS TOWN WHAT YOU'RE DOING". If no one is actually moving any waves, that one person is slam.
I have to rethink my reads to be honest, because I was already working with a team of you and Shockey.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 04 2020 06:16 GMT
#1241
i forgot who rayn was voting day1 before the kurumi thing?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 04 2020 06:25 GMT
#1243
On May 04 2020 15:21 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2020 15:16 GlowingBear wrote:
i forgot who rayn was voting day1 before the kurumi thing?
ShoCkeyy for a brief moment, I think Jockmcplop or you before that.

I could see raynpelikoneet maybe being mafia here, I need to reread him at some point. Why weren't you convinced by Alakaslam's EoD2? It seemed about average to me.


I don't trust that he came just at EoD to scream out loud that Shockey is mafia without providing reasons and a better lynch. He just said we were doing wrong. Then he said mafia is gonna win. But he didn't say anything contributive to try and organize town.

It just sounds that his Shockey hard defense was a bit forced. And to be fair, atm I don't really know what reads slam has.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 04 2020 06:25 GMT
#1244
Gotta sleep, Trfel. We'll talk tomorrow. Gn.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 04 2020 18:31 GMT
#1251
Trfel, I won't be able to dive in jock's filter but I promise I will check it when I can and come back to you, alright? I'm working now.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 05 2020 01:48 GMT
#1292
On May 05 2020 04:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Day 3


[image loading]

raypelikoneet the SEC Agent (Cop) has been killed!

There are 3 scum remaining in the game. At the end of the day, the candidate with the most votes will be lynched. Votes are done in this thread. Day ends in



I'm so good at this game.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 05 2020 01:54 GMT
#1293
On May 05 2020 07:53 Alakaslam wrote:
I dont get why so many people see trfel’s play as townie.

Lists, asking questions, never knows who is scum

Why hasnt he been lynched? Well because he has been active and there are so many inactives this game. But now we are past the point where that matters. I am really nagged by a feeling that Trfel is scum.


I don't believe Trfel is mafia. He is consistently here and playing the game, even when no one is talking. He is just very, very wrong.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 05 2020 01:56 GMT
#1294
Alright, who's the second mason?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 05 2020 02:06 GMT
#1295
On May 03 2020 19:12 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2020 06:56 Trfel wrote:
On May 03 2020 06:41 Vivax wrote:
On May 03 2020 06:19 Trfel wrote:
On May 03 2020 05:41 Vivax wrote:
On May 03 2020 05:37 Trfel wrote:
I take it people were very underwhelmed by my post on GlowingBear


Hard to think of something I'm not underwhelmed from.
Which people btw.

##Vote rayn
Just no one commented on it. Maybe I need to rewrite it.

Voting raynpelikoneet if he doesn't play makes sense? Except for a lot of people aren't playing currently


Yeah I'm sorry if I don't pay too much attention to your case right now. I'm also kinda triggered that today to me feels like a circlejerk between you and me.

But if vets I'm used to like Koshi and rayn basically put 1% of the effort they did on D1, coupled with the FF kill, then odds are at least one of them is mafia. And I'm putting my money on rayn, also because of his voting shenanigans yesterday.
Hm, that makes sense, fair enough. I'll keep my vote on GlowingBear for now (I'm most confident he is mafia) but I guess I could vote for raynpelikoneet if things keep going this way.

Also, sorry Jockmcplop, realized I forgot to respond to you. I am sorry for being incorrect. For some reason I'm having trouble finding the posts in your filter. I take it the reason you ask is because you're scumreading Koshi too, so the same logic that it looks suspicious for GlowingBear should look suspicious for you too. That makes sense but I don't think it really applies to this case, since this is more of an emotional point. GlowingBear should be much more emotionally invested in his scumread of Koshi if he is town, and I would expect that to come out much more in his play.


OK. Thanks for responding. I don't like this argument, at least I can't go along with it, because someone's emotional investment in the game is something you get to know about each individual player and I don't really know GB at all. If I was sure you were town I would be more likely to take your word for it, but I'm not.

As for the other parts of your case:
Show nested quote +
1. Scumread Koshi for misconstruing GlowingBear's play. However, note the timing, he scumread Koshi well after this all started. Despite GlowingBear not having a townread on Koshi, he got mad at Koshi and treated Koshi like town and never questioned that he could be mafia until much later, when raynpelikoneet asks him about Koshi. This doesn't feel natural at all. Town tend to be quick to call their accusers scum, especially when they feel misrepresented and ignored and all the things GlowingBear was saying.


Point 1 does get my interest. Do you have quotes to back this up?
Show nested quote +
2. Shifting reads. His scumreads shift in priority in a way that doesn't make sense. First he says Jockmcplop is mafia, and Alakaslam second. Then he says Jockmcplop and Koshi are mafia, and raynpelikoneet or Alakaslam. Then he was making a case on raynpelikoneet to defend himself (huh?). Then most recently raynpelikoneet as top mafia. It doesn't feel like he is putting much thought into his scumreads.


Point 2 is actually the reason i was townreading GB to start with. I think he would have taken the opportunity to get a mislynch on me rather than just townreading me because I didn't vote. He's reacting to what is happening in the thread. I take it you think these reactions are not genuine looking. Is that because of bad reasoning or just a feeling you get?



I'm diving jock's filter.

Here's the thing: why would jock defend me if he is scum here? He is in the chopping block day1 and instead of jumping on a wrong case, he decided it was better to talk about it point by point, debunking it. I don't see mafia!jock doing that.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 05 2020 02:13 GMT
#1296
I've just finished diving jock's filter and I don't think he sounds scummy at all. He is wordy but he was reacting accordingly to the information that was posted in thread and contributing with what he thinks of people. Especially, he DEFENDED me when the first thing mafia would do was to JUMP on Trfel's case, ESPECIALLY because jock himself was on the chopping block.

It doesn't make sense, as mafia, to not take the opportunity to mislynch me when one of your partners risks been lynched. Especially after I was almost lynched day1.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 05 2020 02:14 GMT
#1297
Of course this is assuming Trfel is town, which I think he is as I've said before.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 05 2020 02:21 GMT
#1298
##Vote: Chezinu
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 05 2020 03:34 GMT
#1306
On May 05 2020 11:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2020 11:06 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 03 2020 19:12 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 03 2020 06:56 Trfel wrote:
On May 03 2020 06:41 Vivax wrote:
On May 03 2020 06:19 Trfel wrote:
On May 03 2020 05:41 Vivax wrote:
On May 03 2020 05:37 Trfel wrote:
I take it people were very underwhelmed by my post on GlowingBear


Hard to think of something I'm not underwhelmed from.
Which people btw.

##Vote rayn
Just no one commented on it. Maybe I need to rewrite it.

Voting raynpelikoneet if he doesn't play makes sense? Except for a lot of people aren't playing currently


Yeah I'm sorry if I don't pay too much attention to your case right now. I'm also kinda triggered that today to me feels like a circlejerk between you and me.

But if vets I'm used to like Koshi and rayn basically put 1% of the effort they did on D1, coupled with the FF kill, then odds are at least one of them is mafia. And I'm putting my money on rayn, also because of his voting shenanigans yesterday.
Hm, that makes sense, fair enough. I'll keep my vote on GlowingBear for now (I'm most confident he is mafia) but I guess I could vote for raynpelikoneet if things keep going this way.

Also, sorry Jockmcplop, realized I forgot to respond to you. I am sorry for being incorrect. For some reason I'm having trouble finding the posts in your filter. I take it the reason you ask is because you're scumreading Koshi too, so the same logic that it looks suspicious for GlowingBear should look suspicious for you too. That makes sense but I don't think it really applies to this case, since this is more of an emotional point. GlowingBear should be much more emotionally invested in his scumread of Koshi if he is town, and I would expect that to come out much more in his play.


OK. Thanks for responding. I don't like this argument, at least I can't go along with it, because someone's emotional investment in the game is something you get to know about each individual player and I don't really know GB at all. If I was sure you were town I would be more likely to take your word for it, but I'm not.

As for the other parts of your case:
1. Scumread Koshi for misconstruing GlowingBear's play. However, note the timing, he scumread Koshi well after this all started. Despite GlowingBear not having a townread on Koshi, he got mad at Koshi and treated Koshi like town and never questioned that he could be mafia until much later, when raynpelikoneet asks him about Koshi. This doesn't feel natural at all. Town tend to be quick to call their accusers scum, especially when they feel misrepresented and ignored and all the things GlowingBear was saying.


Point 1 does get my interest. Do you have quotes to back this up?
2. Shifting reads. His scumreads shift in priority in a way that doesn't make sense. First he says Jockmcplop is mafia, and Alakaslam second. Then he says Jockmcplop and Koshi are mafia, and raynpelikoneet or Alakaslam. Then he was making a case on raynpelikoneet to defend himself (huh?). Then most recently raynpelikoneet as top mafia. It doesn't feel like he is putting much thought into his scumreads.


Point 2 is actually the reason i was townreading GB to start with. I think he would have taken the opportunity to get a mislynch on me rather than just townreading me because I didn't vote. He's reacting to what is happening in the thread. I take it you think these reactions are not genuine looking. Is that because of bad reasoning or just a feeling you get?



I'm diving jock's filter.

Here's the thing: why would jock defend me if he is scum here? He is in the chopping block day1 and instead of jumping on a wrong case, he decided it was better to talk about it point by point, debunking it. I don't see mafia!jock doing that.

we're at 5-3 at this point and you/Jock both write each other off as possible mafia just for choosing not to lynch each other. I kind of doubt you would both do that as a team, but I think 1 of you two has to be mafia.


It's MYLO. I have to think who might be town so I can work with knowing who's mafia. I don't think he is mafia.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 05 2020 03:36 GMT
#1307
On May 05 2020 12:29 Trfel wrote:
Grackaroni, what are your thoughts on Jockmcplop right now?

What are your thoughts on me?


Trfel, what do you think of Chez?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 05 2020 03:41 GMT
#1310
On May 05 2020 12:09 Alakaslam wrote:
The reason it feels hopeless to me is no one can come to a consensus on anyone let alone the right people.

I dont care if Trfel is active as all hell and... saying big cases and wondering who is scum all the time. It still looks textbook scum to me but it is like pulling teeth to get anyone to agree with that.

In fact. After what GB said

##Unvote
##Vote: Trfel


I seriously think he is more likely to flip red than Jock is. Because I may SR jock but that is only because I think the dead hate him except that the dead also hate me, so I’d better not read based on the incorrect dead (and the provably incorrect dead at that).


Alright Slam, let's talk about his.
Why do you think Trfel is scum specifically?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 05 2020 03:42 GMT
#1311
On May 05 2020 12:37 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2020 12:36 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 05 2020 12:29 Trfel wrote:
Grackaroni, what are your thoughts on Jockmcplop right now?

What are your thoughts on me?


Trfel, what do you think of Chez?
Blue.


Because...?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 05 2020 03:52 GMT
#1313
On May 05 2020 12:44 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2020 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 05 2020 12:37 Trfel wrote:
On May 05 2020 12:36 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 05 2020 12:29 Trfel wrote:
Grackaroni, what are your thoughts on Jockmcplop right now?

What are your thoughts on me?


Trfel, what do you think of Chez?
Blue.


Because...?
I guess I just kinda assumed since he's been hinting at it and raynpelikoneet believed it. Plus, no one else has claimed blue yet and this would have been the time to do it (given that it's MYLO). I'd be very, very, very surprised if there was only one blue in a 12 player game.


So did Slam?
Also, Chez didn't claim.

@Chez, are you a blue role?
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