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On April 05 2020 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey guys, anyone want to play mafia? I am a bit bored... Let's go. ##Vote: Bloodycobbler | ||
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Did you roll mafia again  | ||
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Or maybe you have another suggestion? I'd run along. | ||
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On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive. ![[image loading]](https://i.gifer.com/37N.gif) ##Vote: Rayn | ||
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On April 05 2020 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hah he got it.  Well done Vivax.Already conceding? | ||
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On April 05 2020 03:54 ShoCkeyy wrote: I’m finishing up some chores then I’ll have some free time to post. My first question to all of you is, how are you all managing during this global pandemic? Everyone has the supplies needed? I may have to leave my incubator later for some “fresh” air, food, and cannabis. I'm trying to raise awareness for the bullshittery being pushed on the back of this super hyped pandemic. Sometimes I go out, grab used towels from trash cans, grind them finely and snort them to make a point. Anything game related? | ||
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On April 05 2020 04:13 Trfel wrote: Agreed, it feels a bit strange to have time to make a post but not have time to interact. And with a bit of an excuse. That said... I've been doing okay with the whole coronavirus thing. We have the necessary supplies here, the main worry is for the health of those who are sick. And for myself personally, the loneliness and depression caused by staying inside so much is a bit of a pain to deal with but it's much worse for others so that's not so bad. I dub thee mr. nice guy. There's a good cure for that, try being a shrink for people or generally going a lot out of your way to help them, few years max and you will have no choice but to become more selfish. | ||
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On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote: So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet.
You are probably town for this. I also think you are right on rayn but not for those reasons., | ||
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Feels like you are just coexisting. Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory. | ||
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On April 05 2020 15:06 ShoCkeyy wrote: Just curious why do you think Trfel is town here? Do you have anything on anybody else yourself? It's funny you quote a post where I explain why and ask for the why. There is enough content in the game already to form opinions, but you don't have any reads and want more content. I don't know if you're just that confused and lazy at reading or just mafia. | ||
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Also where Hapa seemed to intend to go with his posting. | ||
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On April 05 2020 17:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like.... why is he mafia? I don't understand? He's just posting along and not poking anywhere. Though I'm doubting the read a little because he just seems super carefree. Warming up for a Jock vote instead on a reread, tell me what you think? I think him going after Trfel here feels a bit like he was trying to echo some sentiment (from BC but also me at the start) so it seems kind of opportunistic and he's way too focused on just talking it out with him instead of explaining what makes Trfel scum besides the post where he said he was overdefensive. | ||
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But I still don't think the way Jock went after Trfel was townie. | ||
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On April 05 2020 18:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: That is basically the easiest thing hes posted that I went "wtf" on. Also, he didnt answer a question I posted a few pages ago and has been "active' while not actively pushing much. Outside of basically Trfe and rayn, Vivax has no real reads/leanings on peoples alignment. Or at least ones hes posted. Meanwhile he called someone out for almost identical behaviour It's a dumb question. It answers itself just by me playing the game. Sorry if I didn't adress it signed, sealed and waxed to his majesty the bloodygobbler. Wtf dude? | ||
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On April 05 2020 18:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: TBH the post jock quoted here (especially the bolded part) is a reason i have a scum read on trfel atm. Why does the bolded part make Trfel mafia? | ||
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Also scummy af. | ||
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On April 05 2020 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well that's not true tbh. How so. First thing he did was post a list. Then afterwards came any explanation for those reads. Also it bugs me massively what he writes about me. On April 05 2020 18:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: That is basically the easiest thing hes posted that I went "wtf" on. Also, he didnt answer a question I posted a few pages ago and has been "active' while not actively pushing much. Outside of basically Trfe and rayn, Vivax has no real reads/leanings on peoples alignment. Or at least ones hes posted. Meanwhile he called someone out for almost identical behaviour I mean sure, he doesn't understand how I read Trfel. Which is just that in the last game, he was posting 'analysis' on tons of people without seeming to have an actual opinion. While also seeming awkward and appeasing. That can be forgiven because I kept it short. But saying I have no reads or leans or claiming that not answering his question when it's obvious at what I'm looking at which answers it, is just false. I scumlean shockey, rayn, Jock. I townread Trfel and made all of those clear. But I have to admit chances are this is just bad town play. Depends really on how much he is willing to backtrack and admit it was just factually wrong. | ||
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On April 05 2020 19:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'd like to hear why you scumread me though? I am pretty sure the reason is something there is nothing i can do about but still. If you're town don't get bothered too much by it. It's probably not a reason I can lynch you for anyway, and I'd like not to tell you how to play it better if you're mafia for now  I'll tell the reasoning a bit later, but first I'd like to see how you're going to keep playing the rest of the day. And if you're mafia you need to tell me postgame if that scumslip early was fake or not lol. | ||
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On April 05 2020 19:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Me saying you had no reads isn't fully false (until now) because you never directly stated things. Yes you hinted, implied, heavily leaned things. However all those things give a player a way out. I don't want people being able to slither away without solid justification (myself included for when reads change). Thanks for finally answering my question from pages ago though. Slither away from what? I'll slither away from any read if I stumble upon something that gives me a good reason to. Why would mafia slither more than others? Rayn also slithered away from that early 'scumslip' by saying it was intended but didn't seem to bother you. But I think I get it, you are still used to more committal type of games. I think you misunderstand the problem though, mafia doesn't try to be flexible because townies are inflexible. Mafia tries to post like they are flexible because they are inflexible in approaching the game like a townie does. | ||
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On April 05 2020 20:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: I never scumslip dude... never. How dumb you think i am lol? You think i genuinely appealed to you and Trfel as mafia when all the talk we had in the thread was about corona virus basically? Jesus Vivax... Yeah it looked like you were townreading both of us on P1. But it's not something I'm gonna harp on anyway, brought it up because you 'slithered' away from a potential scumslip and it was an example for something BC says he pays attention to. | ||
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On April 05 2020 17:22 Chezinu wrote: ##vote Jockmcplop Consequences The D1 revenge bus? Could it be one? | ||
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On April 05 2020 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am just gonna say Vivax, if you think i would ever as mafia townread someone for absolutely nothing (i have weird reasons - for other people - to townread people at times as either alignment, but for nothing is not one of them), i dont think you know me that well. This is not even saying i can't be mafia it's just saying that reasoning of yours is absolutely idiotic. But it wasn't an explicit townread, you just said there were only townies in the thread. As for the other stuff, not convinced of Hapa, there's just too little in his filter to be able to jump to a conclusion. Needs to post more, until then null. And if you think his filter is alignment indicative already you are bad or mafia imo. As for Jock, he really didn't do much besides sort of tunneling Trfel. There's this which could be regarded as looking at something else besides Trfel but it's just a whole bunch of nothing and also looks bad. On April 05 2020 14:23 Jockmcplop wrote: What do you think of Shockeyy's entrance? His tone seems weird to me. I don't know what that means for shockeyy though tbh. It's like he thinks Shockey should look scummy but is afraid to say he thinks he does. | ||
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On April 05 2020 21:28 Jockmcplop wrote: You're right for some reason I thought I already posted about this. I question his motivations and his tone bothers me. I don't really have a case on him or anything its more that his tone seems strange, like.... diplomatic or politiciany. It felt like he was trying to disarm me with friendliness. He certainly hasn't said anything that would make me townread him and I find myself questioning his motives, as you saw before. He's at the bottom of my lynchpile because he seems to have some logic behind his reads that *could* be townie, and stayed calm when I pressured him. On balance, though, I think if there's a 4 person lynchpile he belongs in it. That guilty feeling when you pick a baby seal to club. | ||
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On April 06 2020 04:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Yo Jock, wtf was were those last like 2-3 posts by you. What happened in your brain that could possibly lead your mind into doing the shit you just did. Two or three? Why do you think his posts were so bad? Which ones of those? That's a pretty shady post for someone who said he likes commitment. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2020 22:19 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm not saying that. That one or two sentences he posted made me think town, but because of his tone and the way interacting with him felt to me he's a scumlean. Its not that hard to understand tbh and I said the same thing a few posts up. My vote was only still on trfel because i hadn't moved it yet. ##unvote ##vote: shockeyy On April 05 2020 22:37 Jockmcplop wrote: You can do better than that rayn lol. Ask yourself this, what purpose does me voting for rels or hap serve town right now? I really don't want to have explain every little thing. On April 05 2020 22:42 Jockmcplop wrote: That's an absolutely terrible conclusion to come to. It would make sense ONLY if you believe that the only reason to vote for someone is to kill them. | ||
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Even on the chance that Jock is mafia it doesn't feel right to me not to lynch Shockeyy over him here after he said 7 hours ago he was catching up. | ||
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This game was filled really quickly so he can't argue that he just forgot about it. | ||
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On April 05 2020 19:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What does it add to the thread? How is it helping us progress towards catching someone who is scum? What point does explaining how the game should be played, in relation to a player whos playstyle is a known quantity, to justify a hard stance read this early in the game? Like, I havent played seriously for years, but what he posted is shit mafia have done for ages to try and blend in. Talking about how one should or shouldn't play makes you look like you are providing useful content when its instead just fluff. If you take into consideration how hard he also was defending himself / reacting to general suspicion so early into the game gives me the read I have. There's plenty of fluff to go around in this game and it's a textbook algorithm from old meta where everyone was super tryhard. That's why I have a hard time placing BC between 'bad' and scum. Don't want to call it bad because he might just be a tad rusty and less used to shitpost mafia where tonereads are more useful. But then again he also says Trfel is trying to post it on his own to look like he's contributing when really he is just answering to Jock, which is just misrepresentation. | ||
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On April 06 2020 21:00 Jockmcplop wrote: Why do you think hap didn't give a proper read of shockeyy, even though he's an important part of the game given that hap is voting for the person who is voting for him? He says he sees shockeyy as lynchbait which infers that he townreads him but doesn't go into any more detail than that. I'm not sure if you asked me this, but Shockeyy boils down to whether you believe he's scum doing nothing, or town doing nothing. He deserves to be lynched, sure, but how can anyone have a 'proper' read on him? | ||
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On April 06 2020 23:03 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't like the way he jumped on the jock train with everyone else but I can understand it if he sees my posts as objectively bad. I don't get why though. He's moved you up to being a town read which is confusing. I don't see how your play has changed since he was leaning scum on you. Is he just following other people's reads? The other changes seem natural to me, shockeyy down to null and rayn up to town lean. Vivax, if you say there's an algorithmic way of thinking about mafia and you get where BC is coming from with that, would you say he is consistent about through day 1 so far? Surely that's a way we can get a read on him, but I'm not familiar with the idea. I know that he is absent, complained about your posts like they were super scummy without saying which or what is scummy about them and still ended up voting on the Hapa wagon. | ||
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On April 07 2020 01:06 ShoCkeyy wrote: I haven't caught up with the thread yet, but as I'm reading it, is there a few reasons why we're voting Jock over Hapa? To me it seems that Hapa is really skirting by while Jock has been playing the game and responding, to me that seems like town more than anything. Anyways back to reading. Hapa isn't skirting by, he's just surgical with his posts. You were skirting by. This is probably the first opinion on something I see you giving. | ||
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On April 07 2020 01:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: Two of his posts were reasonably done well, yes? But that's normal in mafia... He has 1 page of filter vs Jocks 3 pages of literally answering everybody... Great reason to townread people. You just open filters and whoever has the biggest ones is town. Trfel last game was mafia and he talked about way too much for someone who should have an opinion. If Jock here is mafia and wants the heat off himself of course he has to answer to everybody. | ||
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On April 07 2020 01:17 ShoCkeyy wrote: Can you post why we should vote Jock over Hapa? Or are you going to continue defending his lack of posting and instant town read on you? My concern is that every time we vote one of the most active players off the game, it's always turns out as town. Last game we played Sentinel is playing the same way Hap is and he ended up being the roleblocker. Dude you said a dozen hours ago you were catching up, now you want to speedrun everything within less than an hour and someone to repeat what has already been said. Turns out you are actually still just F5ing the front page while doing it. Who are your top towns? | ||
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The mafia are Jock and BC if they aren't one afk + Chez imo. But you can give rayn his lynch and see where it takes the game. | ||
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On April 07 2020 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rels is gonna get modkilled and i think there is a decent chance that Hapa isn't playing anymore because Rels is mafia with him. Never thought I'd see you tinfoiling | ||
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On April 07 2020 01:42 ShoCkeyy wrote: Should we policy lynch instead? If we do lose two town here, it's going to be really really fucking rough. I rather policy lynch rels at this point, and have only one person killed even if it means he's town sadly, than two possible towns creating a very disadvantage town. Sure, maybe if you asked it 12 hours ago. But most people put effort into getting reads going and so your policy lynch suggestion is only palatable to mafia if one of them is threatened. | ||
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On April 05 2020 19:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Straight out RNG'd people who basically hadn't done anything yet. My vote has stayed there because all 3 of his posts since the game started provide literally nothing substance. He also vanished quite quickly. I want to see more for him for sure, especially given the fact the thread is far larger now. On April 06 2020 04:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Yo Jock, wtf was were those last like 2-3 posts by you. What happened in your brain that could possibly lead your mind into doing the shit you just did. Must have been some bad shit, but. On April 06 2020 05:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The how is purely I didnt find his entrance as jarring mixed with people i had scum reads focusing him. ATM id drop him down to Rels / Chez territory of null read. Here I will update my lists for you Town Bloodyc0bbler Lean Town Rayn Vivax Null Rels Shockeyy Chezinu Lean scum Jock trfel Scum Hapa ????? There is a world (with how you are currently being active) where I could see my read on you being wrong. So please keep up the posting =) | ||
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If you want the tinfoil, it's that BC saw something only mafia see about each other. So obviously he doesn't want to lynch Jock today, but he's also scumreading him. | ||
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On April 07 2020 01:53 Hapahauli wrote: No no no no you don't get to run away from this. How does any of this make any fucking sense. Mafia-hapa is giving himself up because he and Jock are town? + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://wompampsupport.azureedge.net/fetchimage?siteId=7575&v=2&jpgQuality=100&width=700&url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.kym-cdn.com%2Fentries%2Ficons%2Ffacebook%2F000%2F007%2F831%2F10GUY.jpg) | ||
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On April 07 2020 01:59 Jockmcplop wrote: trfel help rofl | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/dewDSIL.jpg) | ||
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On April 07 2020 11:21 ShoCkeyy wrote: It relates to third, I want to town lean him. But then again, one of the last ones to jump on the jock train, and decided to disappear right after the d1 post. Then he also says he doesn't mind killing a town. I'm on the fence. I don't know what game you are reading. Prove me wrong that I called out Jock first right after my Trfel townread. You are making this about a vote position when everyone who would have been mafia on the Jock wagon had the hammer to lynch Hapa instead. Jock wagon is 200% all town. Most posts after day end didn't make me feel like I had to chime in and I was relaxing after the kinda tense EoD before going to bed. And right now, BC looks townier to me, while you just look like superscum at this point. On April 05 2020 21:09 Vivax wrote: But it wasn't an explicit townread, you just said there were only townies in the thread. As for the other stuff, not convinced of Hapa, there's just too little in his filter to be able to jump to a conclusion. Needs to post more, until then null. And if you think his filter is alignment indicative already you are bad or mafia imo. As for Jock, he really didn't do much besides sort of tunneling Trfel. There's this which could be regarded as looking at something else besides Trfel but it's just a whole bunch of nothing and also looks bad. It's like he thinks Shockey should look scummy but is afraid to say he thinks he does. Btw now I can imagine the why of this. | ||
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On April 07 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Vivax, why does BloodyC0bbler look townier now? He's fluid in his re-evaluation and I like that he picked up on Shockeyyy's 'catch-up' being a tad too slow and disinterested for a game of this size, but especially disinterested. At EoD I was thinking myself of how we used to have D1s with 50-100 pages and then there's him struggling with 20 pages and trying to get peeps to vote Hapa. Also because Shockeyy is climbing the olymp to mr. superscum much faster by flailing around posting disinformation. | ||
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No I don't fake that Shockeyyy is my top scumread over BC just to stay alive. He is. You guys just have a really hard time seeing that he is mafia. Dnu why. He really just didn't do anything that had a semblance of having an opinion for 3/4th of D1 but keeps claiming he did and now he's just posting stuff that makes it look like he just skims a bit and then posts stuff out of thin air like it suits him. Plus he was begging me to see something scummy about Hapa at the end of D1. I mean, he tried and shit. | ||
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On April 13 2020 02:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: GG, I fucked up because I overslept my night kill by accident. lol, it actually cast some decent shade on Chez in the obs. Good one playing the derpy town though, you weren't that obvious. Hapa didn't get rusty either. | ||
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Updated the OP: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/551862-turbo-mafia-i#1 Can also make it even quicker by ending nights with scum + blues sending in actions Either way given the format it's not a problem if you start a game in parallel | ||
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On April 14 2020 04:48 ShoCkeyy wrote: Shitttt your day 1 play was good enough to never have 100% suspicion on me, so I really commend you for that, and thank you cause w.o that, I would of been a goner D2 haha. Not to be a dick here, but this is probably the type of post you should never make about your teammate (edit: Actually never) On April 05 2020 14:23 Jockmcplop wrote: What do you think of Shockeyy's entrance? His tone seems weird to me. I don't know what that means for shockeyy though tbh. | ||
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