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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 08 2020 01:04 GMT
#565
lol this guy.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 08 2020 01:07 GMT
#566
On April 08 2020 09:47 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2020 09:35 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I just finished my meetings for today, have a possible D&D setup today, yet this game is so quiet. Anybody around?

Lucca Gallo Here!


Was the pool video related to your mom? Is that your interpretation about BC?
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 08 2020 06:47 GMT
#573
On April 08 2020 15:33 Chezinu wrote:
Aunt Fiona never liked Andrezza.


Going to bed but this was one of the reasons why I asked rayn if he’s also playing the lore. If we were, technically Fiona and Andrezza couldn’t be a team.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 08 2020 17:46 GMT
#576
On April 08 2020 23:49 Hapahauli wrote:
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On April 08 2020 15:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Welp, given that basically everyone thinks the game is solved and I know me + someone else dies at night. I sat my vote with my biggest scum read mixed with what Vivax said near end of night.


I'm not your biggest scumread?


He literally posted a little bit before this that he was voting me. I don't get what is it with townie people just not reading the thread.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 08 2020 19:10 GMT
#578
On April 08 2020 16:59 Chezinu wrote:
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On April 08 2020 15:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On April 08 2020 15:33 Chezinu wrote:
Aunt Fiona never liked Andrezza.


Going to bed but this was one of the reasons why I asked rayn if he’s also playing the lore. If we were, technically Fiona and Andrezza couldn’t be a team.


Lucca Gallo here. The evil spirits are real! Look what I found written in Andrezza's diary!


I do not believe that our bodily disdain for one another would hinder them from using us in unity. What if our hatred for one another stems not only from ourselves, but can be encouraged or generated by these outer dimensional beings? What if they want us to hate one another for their own desires?

Some have said that these beings leech on us as parasites. But what if we are the parasites in their world and they just enter ours to control the ripples of destruction emitted by our essence? What better way to eliminate the ripples than to have the sources destroy one another?

I must continue to look into this. How can I harm my family if I isolate myself? I will continue to research this dimensional interference. I spoke with Uncle Antonio about this. He believes in the spirits and stated that he has been isolating himself. He spends in nights researching the other dimensions on his dual screen computer while playing video games. He said on the dark web that this coronavirus could have entered our world through a nanosized wormhole created by these outer beings. I am not to sure about this. While Antonio searches the internet for the latest information, I will dive in the books of the past, for if these beings are interfering now, surely they have in the past. I have a better grasp of the past than the present.


Antonio? Who's Antonio? You thinking they might be the other mafia?
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 08 2020 19:11 GMT
#579
On April 09 2020 02:53 Hapahauli wrote:
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On April 09 2020 02:46 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On April 08 2020 23:49 Hapahauli wrote:
On April 08 2020 15:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Welp, given that basically everyone thinks the game is solved and I know me + someone else dies at night. I sat my vote with my biggest scum read mixed with what Vivax said near end of night.


I'm not your biggest scumread?


He literally posted a little bit before this that he was voting me. I don't get what is it with townie people just not reading the thread.


I know that he voted you.

I'm curious about the gap in explanation. I was his indisputably top scumread last night. Now I am not, and there is no explanation for why.


His explanation for me was literally one paragraph on how I'm more active after being pressured which I think is normal in every mafia game with every player, town or mafia.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 09 2020 17:35 GMT
#618
Wow what a fucking depressing result to wake up too...
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 09 2020 17:57 GMT
#622
On April 10 2020 02:15 Trfel wrote:
So the remaining players are ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, Chezinu, and Hapahauli.

I feel like raynpelikoneet and Hapahauli are town. Raynpelikoneet because of not bussing Jocmcplop and his tinfoil scumread of me, feels really genuine. Hapahauli because he was the other Day 1 wagon and he's beeen doing a ton of quality analysis. However I know that raynpelikoneet is very strong as mafia and I can only assume Hapahauli is as well, I will try and read their filters and make sure.

Chezinu and ShoCkeyy I both feel like are town? But I don't have a ton of reasoning for why. Chezinu because of meta (I don't like his lack of reads this game, but I know he sometimes does this as town too), but moreso because of his vote on Jockmcplop Day 1. That said I could definitely see him being mafia, I just don't know how to read him and how to see if he is indeed mafia. So it feels like a shot in the dark.

ShoCkeyy I kinda forget about honestly. At a glance he feels similar to last game, where he was town. There have been some things that I don't really like about his play, specifically lack of reads/commitment to things, but I'm not rally sure if that makes him mafia or not

I still need to watch most of Chezinu's videos. But if those aren't too helpful I'll probably focus on reading ShoCkeyy and going from there. And of course re-evaluating the other two (maybe after the night kill).


Did Trfel just oust himself? He claimed all of the four remaining players aside from himself are town...
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 09 2020 18:00 GMT
#623
Also how have I lacked in reads? All my reads are there, and I think I've committed very well to my reads.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 09 2020 18:07 GMT
#626
On April 10 2020 03:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On April 10 2020 03:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Also how have I lacked in reads? All my reads are there, and I think I've committed very well to my reads.

I am not saying you're lacking in reads, maybe i used bad wording but you seem "clueless" because you had no idea on what to do on the EOD1 and while that's SUPPOSED to look fucking terrible on you, it doesn't look that way to me, and the only thin gyou have seemed quite sure about is that BC is mafia N1-D2.


Sorry that was for Trfel, but my clueless question was coming up. I wanted to ask, after you cased Jock, I'm assuming it happened after he voted for me, did Hap jump on the Jock wagon? I went back to the beginning of the thread, but I got a massive headache just trying to think about the beginning of the game again after BC turned up town. Like that shit stressed me the fuck out.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 10 2020 17:33 GMT
#641
On April 11 2020 01:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Some things stick out about Shock's filter on a second readthrough:
1) Everyone alive has questioned my alignment at some point or another. Everyone except for Shock, and I find it very odd that he'd go from screaming in all caps that I outed myself as mafia in the thread to all of a sudden considering me unlynchable-top-town after the Jock flip. He never considers that it could have been a mafia v mafia lynch.
2) Shock is much more opinionated and aggressive than I first read him, when I readthrough the Day 1 lynch.
3) He left Vivax off of his end-of-night-1 read list. I had dismissed this as odd, but it's possible this is a slip, as Vivax got shot.
4) "Shock and Jock" is an excellent mafia team name.


Hap I did consider the bolded part are you sure you actually read through the thread? the lack of reading is a big tell... Especially since mafia didn't NK and rayn who was my strongest town read gets killed... Notice how Rayn who read me town, and I read town back had at least an upper hand on the game against mafia if it came down to 2v1. So of course he does what he thinks is best, kill Rayn so Chez nor myself can align against Hap the last mafia.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 10 2020 17:40 GMT
#646
On April 11 2020 02:35 Hapahauli wrote:
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On April 11 2020 02:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Especially since mafia didn't NK and rayn who was my strongest town read gets killed...


Mafia didn't NK...

Show nested quote +
So of course he does what he thinks is best, kill Rayn so Chez nor myself can align against Hap the last mafia.


...so therefore hapa-mafia killed Rayn?

What in the actual?


Sorry I responded before reading the other blue part. Either way it sucks that my biggest town read is now gone :\
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 10 2020 17:49 GMT
#649
Meh just played a bad town game this day, the NK has me all fucked up. My only concern was how you said you weren't going to be around for deadline, but yet you're around.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 10 2020 17:52 GMT
#651
I guessed it based off the "randomized" NK. that's a pretty big tell.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 10 2020 18:03 GMT
#654
On April 11 2020 02:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Ok. So now that we established that you "guessed" based on the Day post, how do you post this:

Show nested quote +
Hap I did consider the bolded part are you sure you actually read through the thread? the lack of reading is a big tell... Especially since mafia didn't NK and rayn who was my strongest town read gets killed... Notice how Rayn who read me town, and I read town back had at least an upper hand on the game against mafia if it came down to 2v1. So of course he does what he thinks is best, kill Rayn so Chez nor myself can align against Hap the last mafia


Because your explanation just now does not square with this.


My brain went on a rant after, tin foiled the fuck out of it forgetting that NK wasn't mafia, shit happens.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 10 2020 19:50 GMT
#661
On April 11 2020 03:26 Hapahauli wrote:
Shockey. You said you actually sat down and watched Chez's videos, right?

Didn't you say something about his video persona being some type of crazy killer?


If you look at the voting pattern based on lore and how Chez has been handling the game, he's killed his family (parents and sister), and killed the only other person in our family that was likely to help town (it's even in their lore role) Vivax. I've watched all the videos and they all seem like he's very happy using a knife.

As I found here:

On April 07 2020 10:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Back, wow the son is now trying to give up his mom too. I think Chez has a vendetta for women in the family.

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On April 07 2020 09:50 Chezinu wrote:
DAD!!!!!!


Look what mom did to the pool!



Geez, did you kill something in there?



It goes back to our possible discussion about Chez.

On April 07 2020 08:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:
It deals with Chezinu, and how he positions himself to be the first to kill Jock, then I ran into this post by Trfel starting to question Chez as well.

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On April 06 2020 15:30 Trfel wrote:
Actually though, what if it is Chezinu?

When he's town I'm used to him posting some relevant information/reads. Obviously in his own Chezinu way, but they are there. This game he is voting for (iirc) Jockmcplop, but I couldn't understand why, does anyone know why?

Chezinu this game just feels very different from previous games where he's been town. Still awesome and funny, but different. I'll try and read a previous Chezinu mafia game or two.


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On April 06 2020 15:57 Trfel wrote:
The most recent Chezinu mafia game I could find was six years old. And in that game he was more focused on providing reads, not less. So there goes that idea.


It could also mean we don't know how his most recent mafia play can be. He's posted videos of himself, I went through them, but I don't know if anybody else did. In the day post, it's description sounds like his character likes killing people. I feel like since Rayn and Chez have some kind of alignment instantly, it's like Rayn won't suspect Chez and it'll let him slide by.

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On April 07 2020 02:15 Hapahauli wrote:
You realize that Chez only did two things this game: hard-bus his scumbuddy and give us a wonderful steak recipe... right?


Kinda starts aligning with this. But you mentioned you don't want to discuss this in a later post? Any reason why?


We're at a point now where it's very possible that Chez is our and has been last mafia player.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 10 2020 20:46 GMT
#663
Fiona which I've claimed earlier when discussing with Chez.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 10 2020 21:45 GMT
#665
On April 11 2020 05:58 Hapahauli wrote:
I have to read this game again using lore.

Which is going to be really fucking weird.


I can say that out of everyone, Chez was like 99% committed to the lore.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 12 2020 07:34 GMT
#680
From my point of view, my top town read was taken from me. All that’s left is three town and one mafia. This vote today is the most important vote, and if I were to follow my top town read, then I’d be voting for either Hap or Trfel.

This is mainly why I haven’t placed my vote yet. It’s been a tough day, did my weekly chores and just finished. There’s a lot possible theories, and I’ve given my effort in trying to show the possibilities. I personally would take all responsibility for the chez lynch if that were to happen. That was my theory that I pushed.

If I don’t look at chez as mafia and if you’re seriously not mafia, then who else can it be?

On April 10 2020 03:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
and because i don't think shockeyy is mafia either soo....


On April 10 2020 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2020 00:52 Someone wise wrote:
Actually fuck it, I'm not changing my mind.

Trfel has a 3 page filter
Rels Shockeyy has a 9 8 page filter

I'm voting Trfel

This is a good case.



I’ve been up to date with the thread and game, where as you’ve literally slid by. As you completely ignored this.

On April 10 2020 02:57 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2020 02:15 Trfel wrote:
So the remaining players are ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, Chezinu, and Hapahauli.

I feel like raynpelikoneet and Hapahauli are town. Raynpelikoneet because of not bussing Jocmcplop and his tinfoil scumread of me, feels really genuine. Hapahauli because he was the other Day 1 wagon and he's beeen doing a ton of quality analysis. However I know that raynpelikoneet is very strong as mafia and I can only assume Hapahauli is as well, I will try and read their filters and make sure.

Chezinu and ShoCkeyy I both feel like are town? But I don't have a ton of reasoning for why. Chezinu because of meta (I don't like his lack of reads this game, but I know he sometimes does this as town too), but moreso because of his vote on Jockmcplop Day 1. That said I could definitely see him being mafia, I just don't know how to read him and how to see if he is indeed mafia. So it feels like a shot in the dark.

ShoCkeyy I kinda forget about honestly. At a glance he feels similar to last game, where he was town. There have been some things that I don't really like about his play, specifically lack of reads/commitment to things, but I'm not rally sure if that makes him mafia or not

I still need to watch most of Chezinu's videos. But if those aren't too helpful I'll probably focus on reading ShoCkeyy and going from there. And of course re-evaluating the other two (maybe after the night kill).


Did Trfel just oust himself? He claimed all of the four remaining players aside from himself are town...

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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 12 2020 07:43 GMT
#681
On April 12 2020 16:14 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2020 16:09 Chezinu wrote:
On April 12 2020 15:20 Trfel wrote:
You know what, I've changed my mind, I'm voting for ShoCkeyy.

For all of the resistance to give reads and the confidence to play his own style, there are simply too many contradictions to ignore.

He had reads. Then he said he wouldn't have reads until the night kill or the day 2 lynch. Then when pressured he produced reads. Huh? Makes no sense.

After the day 1 lynch, two of his top townreads (Chezinu and BloodyC0bbler) became his lynch pile. I don't know why, it seems like he was just following thread sentiment (especially on BloodyC0bbler), making up scumreads.

I could babble forever about ShoCkeyy's filter and play, but it feels really motivated by what's happening in the thread, motivated by pressure. Not coming from a town player who is actually trying to figure things out. And that makes me think he is mafia.

Yes, mafia didn't night kill. Yes, Chezinu didn't post at all night 2. But ShoCkeyy's only night 2 posts were very early into night 2. It's quite possible that ShoCkeyy is mafia and didn't submit a night kill and then didn't come back for a while and it was randomized for him. On the lack of night kill alone, it does point to Chezinu more, but I definitely think ShoCkeyy is still a possibility.

I could see it going either way honestly Not very confident this game. It's entirely my bad for laziness/lack of activity/struggling to read these last few players. But right now I am more confident in ShoCkeyy being mafia than I am in Chezinu being mafia.

Will try to be back before the deadline tomorrow to talk about it and/or change votes if needed.


What about Hapa? He defended me and said that my heart <3's people and make them laugh. Then today... he turned on me as if I bussed Jock... If I were to bus, Jock would have volunteered. The question is... did Jock volunteer or did Hapa lynch Jock out of self-preservation?
I don't really think it's Hapahauli, it's possible, but it would be some pretty brilliant mafia play if it is him. Hapahauli posted his reasons for lynching Jockmcplop quite early on, it felt like a genuine push to me.

You really think Hapahauli is mafia?


It’s quite possible based on this convo

On April 10 2020 03:07 ShoCkeyy wrote:
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On April 10 2020 03:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 10 2020 03:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Also how have I lacked in reads? All my reads are there, and I think I've committed very well to my reads.

I am not saying you're lacking in reads, maybe i used bad wording but you seem "clueless" because you had no idea on what to do on the EOD1 and while that's SUPPOSED to look fucking terrible on you, it doesn't look that way to me, and the only thin gyou have seemed quite sure about is that BC is mafia N1-D2.


Sorry that was for Trfel, but my clueless question was coming up. I wanted to ask, after you cased Jock, I'm assuming it happened after he voted for me, did Hap jump on the Jock wagon? I went back to the beginning of the thread, but I got a massive headache just trying to think about the beginning of the game again after BC turned up town. Like that shit stressed me the fuck out.



On April 10 2020 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah he cased him about half an hour after i had my discussion with jock.


After I did check, and yes, Hap did case Jock after the convo. Hap decided to case Jock right after he insta voted for me. Rayn was fine with lynching Hap, but was fine with lynching Jock too.

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