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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 05 2020 14:27 GMT
#216
Clarification; I don't think my opinion of your alignment is much meta (of the games before). I know you're a smart guy and from what you posted you don't look like that smart guy to me (no offense lol).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 05 2020 14:29 GMT
#217
ebwop
On April 05 2020 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
when i have tunneled you from the beginning when i have been mafia and you have been town.

when we have both been town
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 06 2020 07:51 GMT
#240
I have nothing new to say about hapa. He's still mafia, esp with the read on BC.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 06 2020 14:24 GMT
#277
He said Vivax wasn't explaining his reads until he did, and his position changed on the list after that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 06 2020 15:58 GMT
#282
On April 05 2020 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2020 23:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On April 05 2020 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 05 2020 23:07 Hapahauli wrote:
Typically, a town mindset is "I think you are scum, therefore I will convince others to vote for you."

Let's say this is the case considering every player. How did you show this mindset in your first three posts of the game?


My posts have fundamentally different motivations than Jockey.

For one, I don't consider Shockey or Trefel scum-reads. I consider them lynchbait. There's something about their posting that triggers my "gut", and I'd rather try to engage with them early-game and/or think aloud in the thread a bit. Had the thread not kicked up while I was fast asleep, I probably would have continued trying to get them to talk a bit more and open up.

Jockey is instead directly scumreading Trefel.

So why did you feel the need to say what you did in your first three posts then? Why aren't you scumreading Vivax now because he "took your bait" as you described it? Why don't you have anything to say about anything other than Jock even though the thread has kicked up?

Did anyone ever read this post?

I think it shows (amongst other things that have happened since) Hapa's scum mindset.

He asks Trfel a generic question about shockeyys alignment early on in the game. Turns out he doesn't even have a read on either of those people. He just considers them lynchbaits. What on earth is asking one lynchbait about another lynchbait (not to even say asking the one who actually IS posting about the one who isn't) is ever gonna do in terms of helping you figure out anything in the game?

Then he moves on towards Jock who he scumreads for being indecisive in his reads, arguing with his scumread (Trfel) and for him not voting for Hapa.
- Townies are often indecisive especially early on in their reads, that doesn't really tell anything about Jock's alignment unless you have some specific proof to show to prove that is not the case with Jock
- Townies tend to argue with their scumreads, because noone mostly is going to just roll over and die and that will lead to an argument, naturally
- Why is Jock not voting for Hapa scummy (without further expalnation) for Hapa, when the only (without further explanation) legit explanation for Jock to be mafia because of this is if Hapa is mafia? That shouldn't be the case for him, unless he of course assumes he himself is mafia....

Like, none of these points actually should make jock mafia for hapa. I am not saying they can't be a reason for jock to be mafia but hapa has simply no interest in actually figuring shit out, all that is just surface level shit imo. In the same breath i would ask why this indecisiveness is scummy for jock but not for trfel, who "tickled his senses" and is probably 10x more indecisive (has been even in this game) than any other players combined (worth to note here is that hapa doesn't know either of the players so i think it's reasonable to say they should be judged equally by him)? Jock acts indecisive, super duper mafia! Trfel acts super indecisive, "the tone and transparency of this are spot-on with what a townie would be feeling in this particular spot"??????? Another point against him not looking deeper than the surface.

Then the read on BC. Sure i might be wrong but in my opinion this is one of the most towniest start of the games i have ever seen BC playing in my life. That was the first thing there that raised even more red flags on hapa for me. (And please do not go on asking me why does this apply to hapa but not vivax -- it's because vivax is not hapa). BC is mafia because he put shockeyy in his town pile. Why the hell would mafia!BC ever put shockeyy in his town pile at this point of the game (especially since Hapa doesn't even think shockeyy is mafia with BC, that might have been one explanation -- but shockeyy is not mafia, jock is)? Even if BC was mafai with shockeyy that still doesn't make any sense at all. Basically he took a read from BC that doesn't make any sense from any alignment pov, and painted it scummy. And no, i don't think the question he asked from BC is him figuring things out. People figure things out first, then make decisions. Once again, another point against him not looking deeper than the surface.

So yeah that's pretty much it. I could lynch shockeyy too. Those are the people i am basically willing to lynch today, i have no idea why trfel is even voting for jock tbh. And i dont think jock is mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 06 2020 16:11 GMT
#288
On April 07 2020 01:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Confirmed skirting-by.

can you at least try if you're not mafia?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 06 2020 16:26 GMT
#296
I think you should just try to finish your read if Vivax isn't answering you. I can't give you an answer because i dont think we should vote for jock.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 06 2020 16:28 GMT
#298
Then just vote for him if you think he is better lynch lol...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 06 2020 16:29 GMT
#300
Like i dont really understand why it is so hard to vote for your scumread???
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 06 2020 16:34 GMT
#303
Rels is gonna get modkilled and i think there is a decent chance that Hapa isn't playing anymore because Rels is mafia with him.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 06 2020 16:38 GMT
#306
I mean i have reasons to townread everyone other than Hapa, Chezinu, Shockeyy and Rels, and even from those shockeyy's indecisiveness of placing a vote doesn't make any sense unless he is mafia with hapa. I am on the fence with Trfel and my reasoning for townreading him is kinda stupid, but yeah.

I have very hard time seeing either of Jock or BC here, Vivax. Especially when i compare their play to other people's play. Sure they can be mafia and you can be right and i can be wrong but i am sorry i just dont see it rn.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 06 2020 16:39 GMT
#307
On April 07 2020 01:36 Hapahauli wrote:
Rayn, are you mafia, or did you have a lobotomy since we last spoke?

No, i genuinely think you're mafia because from the get go your posting does not look like anything i would expect from a town!Hapa who is actually good at the game. I am sorry if you're actually town but i just don't believe it here, especially after your refusal to actually participate and even try to play in the end of the day.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 06 2020 16:58 GMT
#331
On April 07 2020 01:56 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh oh carry on. We both misread each other.

I said I had a strong preference against lynching Rels, and that the lynch should be between myself and Jock.

He didnt misread anything though.
If you're mafia and Rels is not then you know youre lynching two townies, because jock and rels are going to die.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 06 2020 16:59 GMT
#332
Well i think this is a town lynch.
Or i am bad. But i don't think i am here.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 06 2020 17:03 GMT
#341
lol so i am bad and Trfel is town
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 06 2020 17:10 GMT
#346
I am probably super bad and wrong on Hapa too. But i dont blame myself on that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 06 2020 17:13 GMT
#348
Pfffftt.. I have literally every reason to think that it's just Hapa with Jock. Jock's denial to put a vote on a scumread and Hapa's non-caringness of the lynch at all at the deadline. But it feels wrong. I am just gonna treat Hapa as confirmed town and blame you all if he is fact the other mafia and somehow bought enough town credit to win.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 06 2020 17:14 GMT
#350
Chezinu probably mafia, i don't see those other two as scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 06 2020 17:15 GMT
#352
I also want Chezinu to be mafia because of:
On April 05 2020 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am in search for my wife. If you married this super handsome Luca guy just tell me and i will give you immunity for day 1. I am happy to murder our kids though.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 06 2020 17:16 GMT
#353
On April 07 2020 02:15 Hapahauli wrote:
You realize that Chez only did two things this game: hard-bus his scumbuddy and give us a wonderful steak recipe... right?

well then it's probably you after all and you're going to win.
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