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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 07 2020 02:14 GMT
#441
Like, I get that Chez is random, but I don't think he's cruel or mean enough to his scum teammates to vote him and abandon him.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 07 2020 02:16 GMT
#442
Damn... mafia-Chez would be such a dick to have done that. He is random, but I do think he is nice at heart, hence the light humor he intersperses in our various game on the site.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 07 2020 02:23 GMT
#445
On April 07 2020 11:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 11:01 Hapahauli wrote:
On April 07 2020 10:57 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On April 07 2020 10:44 Hapahauli wrote:
I have read all of your posts Shock.

Ultimately your alignment is a very important piece of that puzzle, and I'm gonna give you a hard time because I want to squeeze those juicy reads out of you.

So three questions for starters so we can begin to consolidate your opinions and feels:
1) Who is in your "do not lynch" bucket?
2) Who is in your "lynch" bucket?
3) Of Bucket #2, who is your top candidate and why? What makes them worse than other candidates?



1) rayn, hap, trfel
2) bloodycobbler, chezinu
3) havent decided, depends on night kill sadly.


What bucket is Vivax in?


It relates to third, I want to town lean him. But then again, one of the last ones to jump on the jock train, and decided to disappear right after the d1 post. Then he also says he doesn't mind killing a town. I'm on the fence.


To Devil's Advocate on your Vivax read, wouldn't him being last make him more townie?

In your analysis, this is a Hapa vs. Jock lynch. Vivax would have come in and essentially secured the lynch of his "scumbuddy" over a townie. Do you consider this a likely scenario for a mafia-Vivax? If so, why?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 07 2020 02:47 GMT
#448
I stand corrected on Vivax - he was 3rd of the 4 people on the Wagon (Trfel being last).

That being said, you list three "reasons" to be skeptical of your town read:
1) He was "one of the last" on the Wagon.
2) He "dissappeared" after the D1 post
3) He "doesn't mind killing a town."

I still don't quite understand how 1 and 2 are mafia tells. Can you point out to me where he says 3?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 07 2020 03:27 GMT
#452
Bedtime gents. Night y’all.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 07 2020 13:59 GMT
#462
You're the best
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 07 2020 14:00 GMT
#463
In all seriousness, I hammed it up a bit too hard last night. Sorry... I can be a cocky bastard.

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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 07 2020 14:02 GMT
#466
I'm meta-diving Shockey. Care to assist?

Emergency Quarantine (2020) – Parity Cop
Newbie Student XXX (2019) – VT
Chill Hop Mafia (2018) – Mafia Roleblocker
- https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/THdZcKQ8BxbWy
Heroes of the Storm Mafia (2017) – VT
Resistance (2015) - VT
- Odd mechanic
Starfox 64 Mini Mafia (2015) – VT
- 5 player (1 mafia) game
II Cannons Mini Mafia – VT
- Odd mechanic
Mafia in the Himalayas – Mafia Framer
- https://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/3rcKficCDHd
Witchraft III Mini Mafia – VT
- Odd mechanic
Generic Boring Mafia - Mafia
- https://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/cRwrGTFRP7t
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 07 2020 14:11 GMT
#468
From what perspective?

- That you are afraid of getting shot and or informing mafia on their Night Kill?

- That you feel burnt out?

- That you feel vindictive against me for the dickish lack of D1 effort I put into the game?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 07 2020 14:12 GMT
#469
I mean, try-hard hapa always supports more discussion. I don't think there are downsides to posting what you think, especially since this is an all VT game (no blue snipes), and this isn't exactly the most active game in the world.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 07 2020 14:13 GMT
#471
From whatever perspective, I think you should post. How I argue depends on the lens through which you look at this game.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 07 2020 15:03 GMT
#476
I'm here! I'm here! Had a client call.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 07 2020 15:07 GMT
#477
Mafia-wise, I think we're pretty on the same page. I'm checking and double checking my suspicions, but it always comes back to BC.

Chez we agree on.

Vivax we agree on.

Shockey is certainly plausible, but I still find myself highly prefering BC. There are any number of ways to "make him look bad". He's super wishy-washy around the deadline, has a lot of difficulty producing hard reads, "Shock and Jock" both is an awesome scum-team name and their play is consistent with an uncoordinated scum-team... etc. But there are also some big points in his favor:
1) I've looked through his scum games, and he doesn't seem to have any problem developing hard reads on people. In fact, they are more prevalent throughout his games as mafia.
2) Jock's read on Shock appears much more scum-tunneling-town than scum-bussing-scum.
3) I gave Shock a lot of rope to develop a hard read, and he stayed very wishy-washy. I interpret this as genuine town confusion, and I'd expect mafia to take the "easy" way out and develop a hard read on BC.

I do need to look at Trfel, but on play alone, he has been so damn earnest with some of his posting.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 07 2020 15:14 GMT
#478
On April 07 2020 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fine. First of all i mostly wanted to play with you so i am annoyed at what you did during the eod1, regardless the out outcome. So fuck you for that.

I tend to play differently than other people. I dont like games where you lynch the low volume posters and most likely win. That translates towards me trying to figure out the "high-profile" mafia players over random lurk-shit-scum, if you know what i mean. That additionally translates to me being super bad and going ham on people like Palmar when they play a low-post-count play (which i am not used to that much) but are right. That's also why i don't play anymore, i can't justify me playing and trying to put shit together just to find out we lost because 20 people didnt play and 6 of those we lynched were townies. Idk if you can see my pov but yeah, that's it.

Talking about people who did bad shit without reason.

I think your case on BC is good, the way he handles shockeyy in comparison to his other scumreads that "talked but didn't contribute anything towards the game". I might have missed your point on D1 or you might have not made it clear enough, but i don't care. It's a good case and BC is probably mafia and i am just super bad this game.

If it is not BC it's gonna be shockeyy, i genuinely find it "why the fuck would mafia do that????" kind of thing when he needed to justify his vote on you over Jock, but if we talk about things that make no sense then yeah that makes no fucking sense at all. Why would anyone ever NOT want to vote for their scumread over another person if the other person is not that scummy?

Third is Trfel. There are things that are just plain out bad. No matter how his case on me was, it was based on "yo rayn isn't playing like this in situation X but i dont know how rayn plays in situation X"... Why.... how can you even say that?

I know there is one mafia left and at least two of those people are town, it's fucked up for me because of what i tend to do and how i form my scumreads. I tend to think people make the best choices available and for... or like if i think about Jock, the mafia has to be you (or Trfel), because that's the correct play as mafia. Basically you're never gonna lose.

But dumbass logic (that's often right) says BC -> Shockeyy.

Chezinu is super town, i agree on what you said on him 12312313%. No bus there.
You're probably town too.
Vivax is town and i think he is faking a read on BC atm just to stay alive, which is dumb but hey he does that.


Feeeeeels.

It's funny thinking back to "ye-old-days of TL Mafia" circa 2014-15. There's part of me that expects to go into these games, roll town, and everyone insta-sheeps me and believes I'm town. But I don't remember or appreciate the crazy effort I put into those games until I start posting and then the "goddamnit why did I do this I have a life now" starts to enter my head. Then the hapa-meta cases drop and well... it goes downhill from there.

I had gone into D1 this game trying to channel my inner Palmar, which I have realized doesn't exist.

On April 07 2020 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fine. First of all i mostly wanted to play with you so i am annoyed at what you did during the eod1, regardless the out outcome. So fuck you for that.


That's totally my bad, and I am sorry.

At the same time, I don't think I have the sanity to do what I used to do as town anymore. Mafia used to be a stress outlet, and I think I've found much healthier ways of expressing that outside of the forum.

I tend to play differently than other people. I dont like games where you lynch the low volume posters and most likely win. That translates towards me trying to figure out the "high-profile" mafia players over random lurk-shit-scum, if you know what i mean. That additionally translates to me being super bad and going ham on people like Palmar when they play a low-post-count play (which i am not used to that much) but are right. That's also why i don't play anymore, i can't justify me playing and trying to put shit together just to find out we lost because 20 people didnt play and 6 of those we lynched were townies. Idk if you can see my pov but yeah, that's it.


Oh yeah. That's definitely what you do. It's also the exact opposite of what I do. I have a very risk-averse approach to town and tend to go for low hanging fruit. But I do think that has helped us team up well over the years.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 07 2020 15:17 GMT
#479
You are also right about the "optimal play is to bus" thing. This lynch looks very different in the old days. There was this part of my mind that looked at Jocks posting as "too scummy to be scum... he can't be THAT blatant... can he?"

But we're in a different age with different players. I'll just treat this like mafiascum.net until proven otherwise
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 07 2020 15:21 GMT
#483
What's your best example from his filter?

I do see him questioning people... quite a bit. We can interpret that as density or posting-for-the-sake-of-posting, so what makes it the latter?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 07 2020 15:23 GMT
#486
Devils advocate: If you're going to bus there, why not go harder? Surely mafia will go for at least some amount of "townie cred" in that spot?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 07 2020 15:25 GMT
#489
When I think in my mind about how a "Trfel bus" would play out in the QT... it seems kinda weird and unnatural.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 07 2020 15:26 GMT
#490
Out of curiosity, how (and when) does scum-Rayn bus Jock? What's the play, what do you communicate to him in the QT, and what are you generally posting in the thread?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 07 2020 15:28 GMT
#492
Like a deep part of me really wants to believe that this whole game is your magnum opus as scum, but I look at Jocks filter and cannot see any level of sophistication there.
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