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At the moment those 2.
Currently can't see Vivax, Rayn, or Trfel as scum. That could easily make me just bad but the play of all 3 overall this game screams town.
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On April 07 2020 09:41 Hapahauli wrote:1)In some insano world, you lynch me, then "town-BC" is captain of the ship heading into LYLO. You have one lynch. Who is more likely to flip mafia; Chez or Shockey? 2)Please link me games re: Chez meta that you are referencing. 3)How do you interpret this sequence by Jock: Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 21:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
So far my town reads are vivax and bloody and I also wouldn't lynch rayn, or probably chez.
Vivax I already explained, he just has that spark when he's trying to solve, and you can see it here. This is a meta read though so its always a chance that this is the game where scum Vivax changes his meta. He's probably town though.
Bloody keeps saying things that I'm thinking and although that's fakeable so early in the game, I find it far more likely that he sees the game similarly to me because he's town.
I wouldn't lynch rayn here because he *seems* townie, but historically I can't read rayn for shit so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt really. I'll filter him in a minute and see if anything jumps out. I like the long post alot.
Chez I wouldn't lynch also because I can't read him. He's very entertaining though so best keep him alive.
Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first:
haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched.
Rels Nothing.
Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does.
Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town.
So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment.
Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 22:19 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 05 2020 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe i am just bad but i don't really understand you right now because you seem to be saying Trfel is not mafia but your vote is still on him? I'm not saying that. That one or two sentences he posted made me think town, but because of his tone and the way interacting with him felt to me he's a scumlean. Its not that hard to understand tbh and I said the same thing a few posts up. My vote was only still on trfel because i hadn't moved it yet.
##unvote
##vote: shockeyy
as for your 1) At the moment I would say shockeyy. I will go dig up a game of chez being helpful some point in a few hours. Might take me a bit to find a good example.
3) TBH those posts are the biggest reason I said he could be mafia/bad. In no world does it make sense to say my top scumread is x then not vote for them. His list clearly said lynch in order of Hapa, Rels, Shockeyy, Trfel. Given that shockeyy didnt say anything to move himself up that list / mixed with the fact he included someone who hadn't posted anything at all as scummier than 2 players is well, a tell imo.
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On April 07 2020 09:41 Hapahauli wrote:1)In some insano world, you lynch me, then "town-BC" is captain of the ship heading into LYLO. You have one lynch. Who is more likely to flip mafia; Chez or Shockey? 2)Please link me games re: Chez meta that you are referencing. 3)How do you interpret this sequence by Jock: Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 21:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
So far my town reads are vivax and bloody and I also wouldn't lynch rayn, or probably chez.
Vivax I already explained, he just has that spark when he's trying to solve, and you can see it here. This is a meta read though so its always a chance that this is the game where scum Vivax changes his meta. He's probably town though.
Bloody keeps saying things that I'm thinking and although that's fakeable so early in the game, I find it far more likely that he sees the game similarly to me because he's town.
I wouldn't lynch rayn here because he *seems* townie, but historically I can't read rayn for shit so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt really. I'll filter him in a minute and see if anything jumps out. I like the long post alot.
Chez I wouldn't lynch also because I can't read him. He's very entertaining though so best keep him alive.
Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first:
haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched.
Rels Nothing.
Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does.
Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town.
So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment.
Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 22:19 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 05 2020 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe i am just bad but i don't really understand you right now because you seem to be saying Trfel is not mafia but your vote is still on him? I'm not saying that. That one or two sentences he posted made me think town, but because of his tone and the way interacting with him felt to me he's a scumlean. Its not that hard to understand tbh and I said the same thing a few posts up. My vote was only still on trfel because i hadn't moved it yet.
##unvote
##vote: shockeyy
As you are looking for things you can extrapolate.
1, at the time of this post you were still in the lead for votes (I think, ill admit I could be wrong here) and as such he didnt want to hammer vote his team mate. This would mean however that he was bussed by his teammate fairly early in the game.
2. Shockeyy could be simple lynchbait, or that he was attempting to set him up to look that way so that people won't off his mafia buddy.
3. Trfel was someone he suspected but never went full attack dog on as to keep a mafia buddy alive / didnt want to stand out because Vivax was defending him.
4. all 4 of his reads were utter trash and all people within it are innocent and the real mafia is somewhere between Me, Vivax, Rayn, Chez. One could argue priority on me and Vivax as we are the two he said were fully town in his eyes.
those are the 4 major points id conclude. Issue being without fully knowing his mindset you have no idea which option is the correct one.
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On April 07 2020 10:54 Trfel wrote:@BloodyC0bbler: Why did you townread ShoCkeyy early Day 1? I know you already answered it here: Show nested quote +On April 06 2020 05:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
The how is purely I didnt find his entrance as jarring mixed with people i had scum reads focusing him. But to me, that doesn't make any sense. Given that you said that you didn't like his entrance: Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 04:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
hmm, im having some intuitions that say "watch the trfel person, or that shockeyy" the entrance they made hasn't been good enough. and your scumreads (Vivax, Hapahauli, and me) weren't focusing him at all. I looked at player filters to confirm this. I asked ShoCkeyy a few questions, but said my read on him was "exactly null." Vivax had ShoCkeyy had top scum for about 20 minutes, and quickly jumped away to focus on Jockmcplop. Hapahauli barely mentioned ShoCkeyy and didn't suggest he was mafia in the slightest. So how did you arrive at this read? Because to me it doesn't add up.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2020 05:35 ShoCkeyy wrote:I always feel weird to everyone with my openers and turn out to be a town or a blue... Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 04:00 Vivax wrote:On April 05 2020 03:54 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I’m finishing up some chores then I’ll have some free time to post. My first question to all of you is, how are you all managing during this global pandemic? Everyone has the supplies needed? I may have to leave my incubator later for some “fresh” air, food, and cannabis. I'm trying to raise awareness for the bullshittery being pushed on the back of this super hyped pandemic. Sometimes I go out, grab used towels from trash cans, grind them finely and snort them to make a point. Anything game related? I mean it's the beginning of the game, I think everything is currently related. Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 04:13 Trfel wrote:On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Shockeyy feels weird. Agreed, it feels a bit strange to have time to make a post but not have time to interact. And with a bit of an excuse. That said... I've been doing okay with the whole coronavirus thing. We have the necessary supplies here, the main worry is for the health of those who are sick. And for myself personally, the loneliness and depression caused by staying inside so much is a bit of a pain to deal with but it's much worse for others so that's not so bad. I couldn't interact since I had pre determined chores, however, I wanted to let the thread know that I'm aware the game started. I don't think it's a weird opening, I'm just being truthful. I would think that's a high regarded value of a townie.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2020 13:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 10:25 Trfel wrote:On April 05 2020 10:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 05 2020 09:31 Trfel wrote:On April 05 2020 09:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 05 2020 08:35 Trfel wrote:On April 05 2020 05:35 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Shockeyy feels weird. I always feel weird to everyone with my openers and turn out to be a town or a blue... On April 05 2020 04:00 Vivax wrote:On April 05 2020 03:54 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I’m finishing up some chores then I’ll have some free time to post. My first question to all of you is, how are you all managing during this global pandemic? Everyone has the supplies needed? I may have to leave my incubator later for some “fresh” air, food, and cannabis. I'm trying to raise awareness for the bullshittery being pushed on the back of this super hyped pandemic. Sometimes I go out, grab used towels from trash cans, grind them finely and snort them to make a point. Anything game related? I mean it's the beginning of the game, I think everything is currently related. On April 05 2020 04:13 Trfel wrote:On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Shockeyy feels weird. Agreed, it feels a bit strange to have time to make a post but not have time to interact. And with a bit of an excuse. That said... I've been doing okay with the whole coronavirus thing. We have the necessary supplies here, the main worry is for the health of those who are sick. And for myself personally, the loneliness and depression caused by staying inside so much is a bit of a pain to deal with but it's much worse for others so that's not so bad. I couldn't interact since I had pre determined chores, however, I wanted to let the thread know that I'm aware the game started. I don't think it's a weird opening, I'm just being truthful. I would think that's a high regarded value of a townie. Have you finished your chores yet? And out of curiosity, did you confirm? I finished quite a good amount of them. I just have to vacuum. Are you asking me if I confirmed my role in the game? Yeah, when GlowingBear sent out confirmation PMs, did you respond? Not when he originally sent it, I responded after the game started, then posted in the thread. I had just woken up maybe 30 mins prior? Fair enough. The reason I asked was because if you confirmed before, it would show that you were present, so there would have been less need to post in the thread showing that. That said, I guess I was kinda under the impression that you just played how you want and didn't really care too much what other people thought of you. Is that an incorrect assessment? It's not, but I also don't want mafia to win, so I try at least.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2020 14:37 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote:Wow does everyone see something off with rayn? I don't see it. On April 05 2020 13:39 Trfel wrote:On April 05 2020 13:29 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 05 2020 13:24 Trfel wrote:On April 05 2020 12:22 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote:So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet. Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Is that saying you dont belong to the family?  On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive. Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements. INITIATE DISLIKE PILE. Care to explain why? @Vivax, you too? It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious. Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them. Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure. I don't think all players play like that at all. A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made). So the two assumptions you had made were: 1: I think you are mafia 2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else) Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players. Trfel from his last game seems new and curious. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Now toss in the fact he was receiving pressure for multiple players, two of which I thought at the time were far worse looking means I will move my general read from say Null to leaning town.
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On April 08 2020 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think i am gonna fuck off for the rest of shit.
i made up my mind. i think trfel is mafia.
got it or got it not. ggnore.
Where is Tryhard Rayn =( I miss him so much.
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Welp, given that basically everyone thinks the game is solved and I know me + someone else dies at night. I sat my vote with my biggest scum read mixed with what Vivax said near end of night.
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On April 08 2020 15:28 Chezinu wrote:
Hey mom,
Are we going to get the pool fixed?
Nah, just adding more green to it in the next day or so. Unless you know of some red to put in it instead.
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On April 09 2020 04:56 Hapahauli wrote:
Thinking out loud...
If for whatever reason we mislynch today, we are in LYLO with 4 players (3 town v. 1 mafia) heading into Day 3. Normally, the optimal play would be to no-lynch to get the town down to 2 town v. 1 mafia for better lynching odds.
Unfortunately that is not possible due to the ruleset since town cannot no lynch.
HOWEVER, the ruleset has another quirk: people who do not vote get auto-modkilled.
Therefore, It is actually better for a townie to volunteer to not vote and get modkilled, since it would put the town in a better position in the event of a BC town flip.
Thoughts?
Yeah, no, same exact reaction to this post I did to Jock.
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On April 09 2020 05:01 Hapahauli wrote:
Also worth noting that today is the only day we can make this play. It is too risky to do it at a potential LYLO, since mafia can "volunteer" to modkill himself but last minute hammer.
You shouldnt do the play ever, period, over.
regardless of my alignment this is not something you do. I get you are trying to "double lynch" to make it easier for tomorrow. The issue is you are aiming to do it by rule exploiting to get modkills. You never fucking exploit modkills to win games period. Maybe this is the former host in me, but if you pulled this shit when I played a ton it wouldnt just merit a ban on the banlist it would be way more severe.
The entire idea is completely disrespectful to glowingbear so just straight out fuck off with modkill shit like this.
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On April 09 2020 05:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Well you likely have an alterior motive to dismiss it out of hand.
But from a "town BC" perspective, there are 3 players that could be mafia in this game: Shockey, myself, and Chez. It is simply impossible to lynch all three unless we employ a modkill strategy.
So from town BC perspective, why it is not a hypothetically bad idea for me to modkill myself?
Dude given how this entire game day has gone I could make a point for literally every player in the game to be scum. The general level of straight out apathy that has been caused it to be borderline impossible to fully figure out. Its not my fault you helped (myself, and a few others included) create a clusterfuck situation no one feels the need / want to play in. Regardless when you get this close to MYLO this is always the issue. Its part of the game. Trying to game the system this way is just wrong.
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Also you might as well (if you are town) go and re-read the thread Hap. I am town and when you see my flip you should have your new list of reads figured out
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On April 13 2020 02:05 Hapahauli wrote:
GG yo.
Apologies to BC.
Valient effort Shockey.
Vivax MVP.
Its coo mate, i get mislynched all the time. Just try to still engage / read so if/when such an event happens you have a backup for it ready to go.
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Thanks for letting me play. Been awhile since I have. May not have gone the way I would have liked for myself but the game itself was still fun. Also impressed with how fast it filled.
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On April 14 2020 04:48 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2020 15:44 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 13 2020 10:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Sorry Jock, I almost won the game for us D: You played well I thought. I completely screwed up on day 1 but you're right you almost had it. Shitttt your day 1 play was good enough to never have 100% suspicion on me, so I really commend you for that, and thank you cause w.o that, I would of been a goner D2 haha.
Nah. No matter what I do I will always be a lynch target. You were almost guaranteed to live til day 3 because of it lol
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