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On April 05 2020 19:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'd like to hear why you scumread me though? I am pretty sure the reason is something there is nothing i can do about but still.
If you're town don't get bothered too much by it. It's probably not a reason I can lynch you for anyway, and I'd like not to tell you how to play it better if you're mafia for now 
I'll tell the reasoning a bit later, but first I'd like to see how you're going to keep playing the rest of the day.
And if you're mafia you need to tell me postgame if that scumslip early was fake or not lol.
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On April 05 2020 19:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 19:11 Vivax wrote:On April 05 2020 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well that's not true tbh. How so. First thing he did was post a list. Then afterwards came any explanation for those reads. Also it bugs me massively what he writes about me. On April 05 2020 18:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 05 2020 17:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 05 2020 15:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Lean scum
Vivax
I am confused. On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote:
Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads?
Feels like you are just coexisting.
Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory. That is basically the easiest thing hes posted that I went "wtf" on. Also, he didnt answer a question I posted a few pages ago and has been "active' while not actively pushing much. Outside of basically Trfe and rayn, Vivax has no real reads/leanings on peoples alignment. Or at least ones hes posted. Meanwhile he called someone out for almost identical behaviour I mean sure, he doesn't understand how I read Trfel. Which is just that in the last game, he was posting 'analysis' on tons of people without seeming to have an actual opinion. While also seeming awkward and appeasing. That can be forgiven because I kept it short. But saying I have no reads or leans or claiming that not answering his question when it's obvious at what I'm looking at which answers it, is just false. I scumlean shockey, rayn, Jock. I townread Trfel and made all of those clear. But I have to admit chances are this is just bad town play. Depends really on how much he is willing to backtrack and admit it was just factually wrong. Me saying you had no reads isn't fully false (until now) because you never directly stated things. Yes you hinted, implied, heavily leaned things. However all those things give a player a way out. I don't want people being able to slither away without solid justification (myself included for when reads change). Thanks for finally answering my question from pages ago though.
Slither away from what? I'll slither away from any read if I stumble upon something that gives me a good reason to. Why would mafia slither more than others? Rayn also slithered away from that early 'scumslip' by saying it was intended but didn't seem to bother you.
But I think I get it, you are still used to more committal type of games.
I think you misunderstand the problem though, mafia doesn't try to be flexible because townies are inflexible. Mafia tries to post like they are flexible because they are inflexible in approaching the game like a townie does.
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I mean, the reason I scumread Jock is because the way he went about Trfel seemed inflexible, but rayn thinks it was flexible.
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On April 05 2020 20:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 19:28 Vivax wrote:
Rayn also slithered away from that early 'scumslip' by saying it was intended but didn't seem to bother you. I never scumslip dude... never. How dumb you think i am lol? You think i genuinely appealed to you and Trfel as mafia when all the talk we had in the thread was about corona virus basically? Jesus Vivax... 
Yeah it looked like you were townreading both of us on P1.
But it's not something I'm gonna harp on anyway, brought it up because you 'slithered' away from a potential scumslip and it was an example for something BC says he pays attention to.
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On April 05 2020 17:22 Chezinu wrote:
##vote Jockmcplop
Consequences
The D1 revenge bus? Could it be one?
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On April 05 2020 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am just gonna say Vivax, if you think i would ever as mafia townread someone for absolutely nothing (i have weird reasons - for other people - to townread people at times as either alignment, but for nothing is not one of them), i dont think you know me that well. This is not even saying i can't be mafia it's just saying that reasoning of yours is absolutely idiotic.
But it wasn't an explicit townread, you just said there were only townies in the thread.
As for the other stuff, not convinced of Hapa, there's just too little in his filter to be able to jump to a conclusion. Needs to post more, until then null. And if you think his filter is alignment indicative already you are bad or mafia imo.
As for Jock, he really didn't do much besides sort of tunneling Trfel. There's this which could be regarded as looking at something else besides Trfel but it's just a whole bunch of nothing and also looks bad.
On April 05 2020 14:23 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 14:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I see something "off" but as of right now not alignment indicative. I just need to see more to swing either way.
Trfel / hap are where my eyes are focused atm What do you think of Shockeyy's entrance? His tone seems weird to me. I don't know what that means for shockeyy though tbh.
It's like he thinks Shockey should look scummy but is afraid to say he thinks he does.
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On April 05 2020 21:28 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont think you have explained Trfel though, at least i have a hard time knowing where you stand on him and why. You're right for some reason I thought I already posted about this. I question his motivations and his tone bothers me. I don't really have a case on him or anything its more that his tone seems strange, like.... diplomatic or politiciany. It felt like he was trying to disarm me with friendliness. He certainly hasn't said anything that would make me townread him and I find myself questioning his motives, as you saw before. He's at the bottom of my lynchpile because he seems to have some logic behind his reads that *could* be townie, and stayed calm when I pressured him. On balance, though, I think if there's a 4 person lynchpile he belongs in it.
That guilty feeling when you pick a baby seal to club.
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On April 06 2020 04:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Yo Jock, wtf was were those last like 2-3 posts by you.
What happened in your brain that could possibly lead your mind into doing the shit you just did.
Two or three? Why do you think his posts were so bad? Which ones of those?
That's a pretty shady post for someone who said he likes commitment.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2020 22:19 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe i am just bad but i don't really understand you right now because you seem to be saying Trfel is not mafia but your vote is still on him? I'm not saying that. That one or two sentences he posted made me think town, but because of his tone and the way interacting with him felt to me he's a scumlean. Its not that hard to understand tbh and I said the same thing a few posts up. My vote was only still on trfel because i hadn't moved it yet.
##unvote
##vote: shockeyy On April 05 2020 22:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
You can do better than that rayn lol.
Ask yourself this, what purpose does me voting for rels or hap serve town right now?
I really don't want to have explain every little thing. On April 05 2020 22:42 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 22:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 05 2020 22:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
You can do better than that rayn lol.
Ask yourself this, what purpose does me voting for rels or hap serve town right now?
I really don't want to have explain every little thing. I asked and i got a conclusion of "why would you vote for outside of your top 2 scumreads in a game where there is 2 scum?". Doesnt really matter who plays or who is playing or not. That's an absolutely terrible conclusion to come to. It would make sense ONLY if you believe that the only reason to vote for someone is to kill them.
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Shockeyy has still done fuck all and is lynchable for me.
Even on the chance that Jock is mafia it doesn't feel right to me not to lynch Shockeyy over him here after he said 7 hours ago he was catching up.
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Jock what are the things Cobbler thinks similarly to you?
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Can we agree beforehand that if Rels turns up super late with some bs excuse we lynch him always?
This game was filled really quickly so he can't argue that he just forgot about it.
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I'm not sure what your current read on Trfel is Jock, but if it has changed, does your read on BC also stay the same? Because imo the reasons BC used were very generic and apply to a lot of players in this game but he only used them on Trfel.
On April 05 2020 19:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 18:53 Vivax wrote:On April 05 2020 18:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 05 2020 18:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 05 2020 15:15 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 05 2020 15:07 Trfel wrote:On phone and in bed, so not going to quote you Jockmcplop, hope that's okay. I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well). I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset.That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly hmm... i quite like this logic even if I don't agree. This is the post that made me change my mind. There are many many ways to attack this post in case Jock wants to do that, especially since i don't do any of what Trfel says here. Furthermore even if i did, it's no way of comparing that narrative to my early posting because i posted a joke and a bait to you. No reads lol. TBH the post jock quoted here (especially the bolded part) is a reason i have a scum read on trfel atm. Why does the bolded part make Trfel mafia? What does it add to the thread? How is it helping us progress towards catching someone who is scum? What point does explaining how the game should be played, in relation to a player whos playstyle is a known quantity, to justify a hard stance read this early in the game? Like, I havent played seriously for years, but what he posted is shit mafia have done for ages to try and blend in. Talking about how one should or shouldn't play makes you look like you are providing useful content when its instead just fluff. If you take into consideration how hard he also was defending himself / reacting to general suspicion so early into the game gives me the read I have.
There's plenty of fluff to go around in this game and it's a textbook algorithm from old meta where everyone was super tryhard.
That's why I have a hard time placing BC between 'bad' and scum. Don't want to call it bad because he might just be a tad rusty and less used to shitpost mafia where tonereads are more useful.
But then again he also says Trfel is trying to post it on his own to look like he's contributing when really he is just answering to Jock, which is just misrepresentation.
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On April 06 2020 21:00 Jockmcplop wrote:
Why do you think hap didn't give a proper read of shockeyy, even though he's an important part of the game given that hap is voting for the person who is voting for him?
He says he sees shockeyy as lynchbait which infers that he townreads him but doesn't go into any more detail than that.
I'm not sure if you asked me this, but Shockeyy boils down to whether you believe he's scum doing nothing, or town doing nothing.
He deserves to be lynched, sure, but how can anyone have a 'proper' read on him?
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On April 06 2020 23:03 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 15:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Town
Bloodyc0bbler
Leaning town
Shockeyy
Jockmcplop
Null
Chezinu
Rayn
Rels
Lean scum
Vivax
Scum
Trfel
Hapa Show nested quote +On April 06 2020 05:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
The how is purely I didnt find his entrance as jarring mixed with people i had scum reads focusing him.
ATM id drop him down to Rels / Chez territory of null read.
Here I will update my lists for you
Town
Bloodyc0bbler
Lean Town
Rayn
Vivax
Null
Rels
Shockeyy
Chezinu
Lean scum
Jock
trfel
Scum
Hapa
There is a world (with how you are currently being active) where I could see my read on you being wrong. So please keep up the posting =) I don't like the way he jumped on the jock train with everyone else but I can understand it if he sees my posts as objectively bad. I don't get why though. He's moved you up to being a town read which is confusing. I don't see how your play has changed since he was leaning scum on you. Is he just following other people's reads? The other changes seem natural to me, shockeyy down to null and rayn up to town lean. Vivax, if you say there's an algorithmic way of thinking about mafia and you get where BC is coming from with that, would you say he is consistent about through day 1 so far? Surely that's a way we can get a read on him, but I'm not familiar with the idea.
I know that he is absent, complained about your posts like they were super scummy without saying which or what is scummy about them and still ended up voting on the Hapa wagon.
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On April 07 2020 01:06 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I haven't caught up with the thread yet, but as I'm reading it, is there a few reasons why we're voting Jock over Hapa?
To me it seems that Hapa is really skirting by while Jock has been playing the game and responding, to me that seems like town more than anything.
Anyways back to reading.
Hapa isn't skirting by, he's just surgical with his posts.
You were skirting by. This is probably the first opinion on something I see you giving.
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On April 07 2020 01:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2020 01:07 Vivax wrote:On April 07 2020 01:06 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I haven't caught up with the thread yet, but as I'm reading it, is there a few reasons why we're voting Jock over Hapa?
To me it seems that Hapa is really skirting by while Jock has been playing the game and responding, to me that seems like town more than anything.
Anyways back to reading. Hapa isn't skirting by, he's just surgical with his posts. You were skirting by. This is probably the first opinion on something I see you giving. Two of his posts were reasonably done well, yes? But that's normal in mafia... He has 1 page of filter vs Jocks 3 pages of literally answering everybody...
Great reason to townread people. You just open filters and whoever has the biggest ones is town.
Trfel last game was mafia and he talked about way too much for someone who should have an opinion.
If Jock here is mafia and wants the heat off himself of course he has to answer to everybody.
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If we murder Shockeyy here even if he's town it's one less vote for mafia in the long run.
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On April 07 2020 01:17 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2020 01:07 Vivax wrote:On April 07 2020 01:06 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I haven't caught up with the thread yet, but as I'm reading it, is there a few reasons why we're voting Jock over Hapa?
To me it seems that Hapa is really skirting by while Jock has been playing the game and responding, to me that seems like town more than anything.
Anyways back to reading. Hapa isn't skirting by, he's just surgical with his posts. You were skirting by. This is probably the first opinion on something I see you giving. Can you post why we should vote Jock over Hapa? Or are you going to continue defending his lack of posting and instant town read on you? My concern is that every time we vote one of the most active players off the game, it's always turns out as town. Last game we played Sentinel is playing the same way Hap is and he ended up being the roleblocker.
Dude you said a dozen hours ago you were catching up, now you want to speedrun everything within less than an hour and someone to repeat what has already been said. Turns out you are actually still just F5ing the front page while doing it.
Who are your top towns?
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Ok I don't think this game is winnable if we lynch Hapa today.
The mafia are Jock and BC if they aren't one afk + Chez imo. But you can give rayn his lynch and see where it takes the game.
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