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On April 05 2020 18:56 Vivax wrote:
BC in this case seems to just take positions beforehand and then attach whatever reasoning he can muster to justify them, posthum.
Also scummy af.
Nah, i take my positions and don't fully bother explaining my reasons until I believe I need/have to because it lets me get reactions to better filter my reads.
Also, care to post any reads? I mean there is more than enough content for you to have preliminary reads on most of us at this point.
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On April 05 2020 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 19:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What point does explaining how the game should be played, in relation to a player whos playstyle is a known quantity, to justify a hard stance read this early in the game?
Why does this apply to Trfel and not to me, since i kind of did the same thing with Hapa?
You legitimately pulled out posts from other threads as why you have a meta read (or thats how I took it anyway) IE you brought out personal experience as to have the read you do.
By just saying "this is how people should play" and then them not doing that and saying they are scum is very different from "this is how x plays as town, this is how they play as scum and I see them acting more like their scum play"
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On April 05 2020 19:11 Vivax wrote:How so. First thing he did was post a list. Then afterwards came any explanation for those reads. Also it bugs me massively what he writes about me. Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 18:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 05 2020 17:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 05 2020 15:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Lean scum
Vivax
I am confused. On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote:
Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads?
Feels like you are just coexisting.
Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory. That is basically the easiest thing hes posted that I went "wtf" on. Also, he didnt answer a question I posted a few pages ago and has been "active' while not actively pushing much. Outside of basically Trfe and rayn, Vivax has no real reads/leanings on peoples alignment. Or at least ones hes posted. Meanwhile he called someone out for almost identical behaviour I mean sure, he doesn't understand how I read Trfel. Which is just that in the last game, he was posting 'analysis' on tons of people without seeming to have an actual opinion. While also seeming awkward and appeasing. That can be forgiven because I kept it short. But saying I have no reads or leans or claiming that not answering his question when it's obvious at what I'm looking at which answers it, is just false. I scumlean shockey, rayn, Jock. I townread Trfel and made all of those clear. But I have to admit chances are this is just bad town play. Depends really on how much he is willing to backtrack and admit it was just factually wrong.
Me saying you had no reads isn't fully false (until now) because you never directly stated things. Yes you hinted, implied, heavily leaned things. However all those things give a player a way out. I don't want people being able to slither away without solid justification (myself included for when reads change).
Thanks for finally answering my question from pages ago though.
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On April 05 2020 19:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
why did you originally vote for hapa?
Straight out RNG'd people who basically hadn't done anything yet.
My vote has stayed there because all 3 of his posts since the game started provide literally nothing substance. He also vanished quite quickly. I want to see more for him for sure, especially given the fact the thread is far larger now.
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On April 05 2020 19:28 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2020 19:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 05 2020 19:11 Vivax wrote:On April 05 2020 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well that's not true tbh. How so. First thing he did was post a list. Then afterwards came any explanation for those reads. Also it bugs me massively what he writes about me. On April 05 2020 18:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 05 2020 17:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 05 2020 15:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Lean scum
Vivax
I am confused. On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote:
Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads?
Feels like you are just coexisting.
Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory. That is basically the easiest thing hes posted that I went "wtf" on. Also, he didnt answer a question I posted a few pages ago and has been "active' while not actively pushing much. Outside of basically Trfe and rayn, Vivax has no real reads/leanings on peoples alignment. Or at least ones hes posted. Meanwhile he called someone out for almost identical behaviour I mean sure, he doesn't understand how I read Trfel. Which is just that in the last game, he was posting 'analysis' on tons of people without seeming to have an actual opinion. While also seeming awkward and appeasing. That can be forgiven because I kept it short. But saying I have no reads or leans or claiming that not answering his question when it's obvious at what I'm looking at which answers it, is just false. I scumlean shockey, rayn, Jock. I townread Trfel and made all of those clear. But I have to admit chances are this is just bad town play. Depends really on how much he is willing to backtrack and admit it was just factually wrong. Me saying you had no reads isn't fully false (until now) because you never directly stated things. Yes you hinted, implied, heavily leaned things. However all those things give a player a way out. I don't want people being able to slither away without solid justification (myself included for when reads change). Thanks for finally answering my question from pages ago though. Slither away from what? I'll slither away from any read if I stumble upon something that gives me a good reason to. Why would mafia slither more than others? Rayn also slithered away from that early 'scumslip' by saying it was intended but didn't seem to bother you. But I think I get it, you are still used to more committal type of games. I think you misunderstand the problem though, mafia doesn't try to be flexible because townies are inflexible. Mafia tries to post like they are flexible because they are inflexible in approaching the game like a townie does.
Why I say slither I mean it in a way that you don't have to explain yourself. Reads change all the time but by forcing people to state an opinion either way they have to give a reason why it changes.
You are right I like more committal type of games. I find them easier to win as town.
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Yo Jock, wtf was were those last like 2-3 posts by you.
What happened in your brain that could possibly lead your mind into doing the shit you just did.
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The how is purely I didnt find his entrance as jarring mixed with people i had scum reads focusing him.
ATM id drop him down to Rels / Chez territory of null read.
Here I will update my lists for you
Town
Bloodyc0bbler
Lean Town
Rayn
Vivax
Null
Rels
Shockeyy
Chezinu
Lean scum
Jock
trfel
Scum
Hapa
There is a world (with how you are currently being active) where I could see my read on you being wrong. So please keep up the posting =)
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Thoughts from my last posts til now. Good Job Vivax /trfel. You guys are responsible for the win this day.
As of who is likely the last mafia? I would put the person here
Hap//Chezinu/Shockeyy
Because apparently if I don't post fully thought reasons im sketchy as fuck.
Hap didn't give two shits about the vote either way. Sure he has come back and given a reason why he didnt care, however that was after the reveal. Given mindset prior to the lynch was getting to be downright unhelpful / apathetic. I mean outright refusal. Also, since the reveal not only does he come in with a brag post but more importantly
On April 07 2020 02:03 Hapahauli wrote:
Y'all are fucking idiots.
Except you Vivax. I love you.
Trefel, you 'aight too.
I'm tempted to lynch Rayn for fun before BC mafia.
Not really the mentality of town here. Given that in this post he states he believes Rayn is town and I am mafia. Killing me makes the most logical sense if you believe I am mafia. Not setting up purposeful town deaths.
Shockeyy honestly since his return to the thread is, well to summarize in one word, bad. His general lack of activity mixed with the essential "i am here guys" posts then vanishing makes him look bad. The idea to try and move to a policy lynch that late into the game day is also extremely scummy.
Chezinu. I am merely going to summarize it with this. As entertaining (as they are very entertaining) as his videos are. He specifically said he wanted to kill his sister this game. Look where his vote was planted at the beginning of the game. I will straight out say this is likely a tin foil because jock flipped his sister. But given how theme oriented Chez gets, the play to off jock would make perfect sense.
SO updated list.
Town
Bloodyc0bbler
Vivax
Rayn
Leaning Town
Trfel
Leaning Scum
Shockeyy
Chez
Scum
Hapa
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On April 07 2020 06:33 Trfel wrote:
BloodyC0bbler, I'm really confused as to why that makes Hapahauli mafia. If Hapahauli is mafia and doing a double-bus with Jockmcplop, why would he so openly say he didn't care who was lynched instead of continuing to push Jockmcplop? That seems like a really stupid play to me, basically anyone would avoid doing that as mafia. It's one thing if it merely seemed like he didn't care, but openly saying it has no mafia motivation/doesn't fit a mafia mindset.
Same with Hapahauli saying he is tempted to lynch a townread before a scumread. He's obviously not actually going to do that, so why does him saying that make him mafia?
Because if you look near end of day. People were on the Kill hap / Kill jock. Id say in the game only 1-2 people considered both possible to be scum. If you are double busing and given the game state, the survivor will almost always be seen as "town" for at least a few days of play. Look at how hes playing now. Why do you go full on asshole unhelpful, to brag, to suddenly huge spur of activity with "reads" to how you have the game figured out. Hap may be rusty, but he has played back in the day. Mafia full on busing people was a staple. Dumb play or not, shit like that happens.
In terms of him saying he wont do it, possibly, but then why say it? It makes 0 sense to ever say it as town, only makes sense as mafia. Stupid or not, people make mistakes.
Hell I will admit I probably am tunneled on Hap. But his entire play screams the same bullshit that Artanis pulled last year. Slow ride out in thread, gets called out (by me) and suddenly he appears in thread and spends a ton of it screaming "BC is scum, BC is scum" making tons of analysis posts misconstruing my play, etc..
Fully admit I could be tunneling, however I cant wrap my head around how hes behaving and thus hes on my lynch list. Could I be wrong, sure. I don't think I am though.
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On April 07 2020 06:48 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2020 06:33 Trfel wrote:
BloodyC0bbler, I'm really confused as to why that makes Hapahauli mafia. If Hapahauli is mafia and doing a double-bus with Jockmcplop, why would he so openly say he didn't care who was lynched instead of continuing to push Jockmcplop? That seems like a really stupid play to me, basically anyone would avoid doing that as mafia. It's one thing if it merely seemed like he didn't care, but openly saying it has no mafia motivation/doesn't fit a mafia mindset.
Same with Hapahauli saying he is tempted to lynch a townread before a scumread. He's obviously not actually going to do that, so why does him saying that make him mafia? BC is just trying to bullshit his way into a case. Just be aware that he is an experienced enough player to tell you what you want to hear. That is why he dodged suspicion on Day 1 from most of the playerbase.
Going to just say this to the bolded post. You have played a lot of games. A bunch with me. Every game I have played after i was viewed as "experienced', I have been viewed as scum day 1. There is always 1 person, if not multiple, who view me negatively. You can say I dodged suspicion. I didn't. You called me out, Vivax pushed me at points, etc... I may not have been a lynch target for day 1 but you quite honestly just lied right there.
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Also in regards to my previous post, and the bolded selection. Hap is just as good at telling people what you want to hear and getting his own way. He is as if not more experienced than myself at this point.
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Also like to say, when one of the cornerstone pieces of an analysis against me if that I didn't vote for jock even though I said he was mafia. I still believed Hap the most likely to flip scum. I still believe he will. However when someone uses that as a reason to try and frame an argument for my alignment. Toss in his other reason is that he doesn't like how I had someone as a leaning town read. His entire case is BS and is clearly reaching at straws. However. I am not going to clutter up the thread arguing with him / anyone really as I see no reason to bury this game in angry rants.
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On April 07 2020 07:08 Hapahauli wrote:
BC, off topic (and out of my steamroller persona), but have we actually played a game before? I don't remember any.
at least 1. Maybe more than that?
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On April 07 2020 08:35 Hapahauli wrote:
What are you stuck on?
your pressure clearly.
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Also Hap. Remove the fact we both think eachother are red.
Is it same to state that we both have Shockeyy as possible red?
Is it also safe to say we both currently list Vivax and Trfel as town reads?
I know you have Rayn listed as scum over Chez. Any particular reason you think chez is safe from general suspicion at this moment in time?
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On April 07 2020 09:13 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2020 09:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also Hap. Remove the fact we both think eachother are red.
Is it same to state that we both have Shockeyy as possible red?
Is it also safe to say we both currently list Vivax and Trfel as town reads?
I know you have Rayn listed as scum over Chez. Any particular reason you think chez is safe from general suspicion at this moment in time? Shockey is certainly a plausible red. Vivax and Trfel are hard town reads, and they have been since Day 1. Rayn is a stronger town read than Chez. My "reads" post is not necessarily in order. Rather, it categorizes players I would not lynch, vs. players I would consider lynching. Fact is though, I'm not considering lynching anyone other than you tomorrow.
Not saying you have to consider it tomorrow. I am more operating from the. "hey if we are both town tunneling the fuck out of eachother, lets see what we can do to make it easier to solve after the fact"
Cause straight up. I die I flip green, likely hood is town then lynches you. If you get lynched over me and flip green then I am deff lynched the day after. Pretty sure mathematically the Mafia wins at that point.
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Shockeyy while being pressured is more answering questions while consistently reading to catch up. He has played in 20+ people games where by this point in time we'd have 200+ pages of content. He has experience in reading / being caught up in those games. So if you post 3-5 times in a 21 page game where the first 2ish pages are pregame / signups. So a 18-19 page game, 20 posts a page where most aren't very long catching up should be well, easy. Filter diving makes it easier. Given that to get anything of substance requires constantly pushing him to respond to things, makes me see scum motivations.
Not saying he hasn't had migraines but I also remember people faking moving / random other life stuff as scum to avoid posting in game.
Chez is honestly a mixture of 2 things. Last few games ive played with him, as town, hes at least helpful in his flavour posting. You can clearly see what he wants. So far this game flavour wise, the only thing he has wanted to do was kill Andrezza. To drop a vote (never change said vote) and manage to make that specific person die is pretty lucky no?
I may have bias because his steak cooking method made me die inside.
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On April 07 2020 09:27 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2020 09:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 07 2020 09:13 Hapahauli wrote:On April 07 2020 09:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also Hap. Remove the fact we both think eachother are red.
Is it same to state that we both have Shockeyy as possible red?
Is it also safe to say we both currently list Vivax and Trfel as town reads?
I know you have Rayn listed as scum over Chez. Any particular reason you think chez is safe from general suspicion at this moment in time? Shockey is certainly a plausible red. Vivax and Trfel are hard town reads, and they have been since Day 1. Rayn is a stronger town read than Chez. My "reads" post is not necessarily in order. Rather, it categorizes players I would not lynch, vs. players I would consider lynching. Fact is though, I'm not considering lynching anyone other than you tomorrow. Not saying you have to consider it tomorrow. I am more operating from the. "hey if we are both town tunneling the fuck out of eachother, lets see what we can do to make it easier to solve after the fact" Cause straight up. I die I flip green, likely hood is town then lynches you. If you get lynched over me and flip green then I am deff lynched the day after. Pretty sure mathematically the Mafia wins at that point. MOM!!! What is up with the pool!??!? Why is it green? Why does it have a barbed wired fence around it?
You were defiling my kitchen again. Have to punish you somehow.
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I will also state now. Regardless of his alignment. Chez's content is by far some of the most enjoyable posting of his I have seen in ages. Seeing a master troll work his art is actually amazing
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