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On April 03 2020 01:18 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2020 01:11 Palmar wrote:
I don't know what is the correct play.
To accept Trfel is town I have to believe he's lazy, and incredibly bad at mafia. No one spends this much effort being wrong in mafia game.
But then again, if he's mafia why does he think it's a bright idea to just hammer a post full of bullshit after another full of bullshit my way. Palmar, I don't think Trfel has been lazy day2. But I believe he is putting effort because he knows this could possibly make me and LS townread him. But it's just effort for the sake of town cred. See, you were his top scum. Naturally, he would be trying to convince us you're Mafia here and go full throttle against you. But the moment someone brings suspicions on Rels, voila, there's a post commenting that Rels might be Mafia but in not sure oops
yeah that's exactly what I felt earlier
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to answer you Palmar, I was motivated to write a case on Trfel when I wrote that I'll do a case on Trfel, I just had to leave. Then later I didn't have the motivation anymore.
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On April 03 2020 01:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Tbh I'll put my vote on Trfel I think he'll flip scum more often than Rels and Palmar atm especially given Rels doing serious work right now.
##Vote: Trfel
am I?
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On April 03 2020 01:36 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2020 01:30 Rels wrote:On April 03 2020 01:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Tbh I'll put my vote on Trfel I think he'll flip scum more often than Rels and Palmar atm especially given Rels doing serious work right now.
##Vote: Trfel am I? The fact you decided look at Trfel meta is something not many people will do even if prompted.
ok I disagree, especially given how I play scum, but I can see you thinking that easily
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On April 03 2020 01:46 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2020 01:18 Rels wrote:On April 01 2020 06:13 Chezinu wrote:
Look and behold, I saw a bright beam of light. I gazed at it's frequency and felt the vibrations that hummed:
Rels wanted to lynch Trfel over Sentinel, waited for Palmar, Palmar said nothing new to what he said before.
Rels promised to write a case on Trfel. He didn't follow up, and after Sentinel flip the only case he provided is reasoned on because Sentinel was mafia.
ggnore oh actually that is this Chez case This is a surprisingly townie post.
this is townie too lol. I would expect you to continue preparing my lynch tomorrow if you're scum
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On April 03 2020 02:14 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2020 01:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Tbh I'll put my vote on Trfel I think he'll flip scum more often than Rels and Palmar atm especially given Rels doing serious work right no'w. Sure, if you just literally ignore all of the posts I've been making? Why is a stupidly easy meta check the only "serious work," ignoring all of my cases and analyses?
this I agree, it wasn't a good point to me being town
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On April 03 2020 02:33 Trfel wrote:
@Rels, what about Palmar's list post to you qualified as "playing the game" and "towny?"
are these quotes from me?
I don't think these few posts day 2 really showed the was playing the game, it's more that every post he made before these made sense with the mentality he claimed to have in this string of posts. Taking it cool, the game is going the way I want, the lynch is the lynch I want, no need to overcomplicate thing
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On April 03 2020 02:42 Palmar wrote:
Rels is now my strongest townread
convenient, just when I could kill you right now by switching to you
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is it because of what I just explained?
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On April 03 2020 02:45 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2020 02:40 Rels wrote:On April 03 2020 02:33 Trfel wrote:
@Rels, what about Palmar's list post to you qualified as "playing the game" and "towny?" are these quotes from me? I don't think these few posts day 2 really showed the was playing the game, it's more that every post he made before these made sense with the mentality he claimed to have in this string of posts. Taking it cool, the game is going the way I want, the lynch is the lynch I want, no need to overcomplicate thing Yes, those are quotes from you. You said you wanted to force Palmar to play the game, so I assume that when you removed your vote, that you felt that criteria had been met. What about the times where Palmar was voting for his lesser scumread, or Day 1 where the lynch wasn't the lynch he wanted and he didn't really care? How does that fit in with this perception?
I don't know what to say, these are different from what I've liked about his posting spree D2. Yeah all of this doesn't make him town lol, but I don't think it makes him obvious scum either. He was OK with KSC being lynched D1 and Sent being lynched D2
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On April 03 2020 02:49 GlowingBear wrote:
Let's shenanigans on Chez.
lol never
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Palmar you have a few minutes to tell me what you suddenly liked so much about me
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On April 03 2020 02:56 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2020 02:54 Rels wrote:
Palmar you have a few minutes to tell me what you suddenly liked so much about me I don’t want to But the read stands
meh
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what a last day from you Trfel
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I'm impressed
if only you and Sent were more careful about your reads about the other, it would have been different
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GG all, thanks for hosting FF and Tube 
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I'm very proud of these
On March 30 2020 01:04 Rels wrote:
Trfel is also still very scummy. Not together with Palmar though
LS and GB, if you could tell me what posts you thought were townie at deadline it would be great. To me, it just looks like he showed up 30 minutes before deadline to make sure he wasn't the lynch, then fucked off.
On March 30 2020 01:12 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2020 02:53 Trfel wrote:On March 28 2020 02:50 Rels wrote:
Trfel I'm very sorry if you're town. Because I'm going to say another thing that I find scummy about you, and I don't want you to feel bad if you're town. I know I could be bias confirming ...
The way you're talking about your scumreads is so sure, when I thought you were a very doubtful person. So that's something that makes me think you're scum too. Yeah, I used to be more like that, over the past few years things have changed. That's actually why rsoultin voted to kill me the past few games and I flipped town in both of them. Furthermore, desperate times call for desperate measures. I've been scumread SO MUCH for uncertainty and waffling that I'm trying to adjust my play to include more certainty and stronger pushes. Like to those plays? I don't see it in your last game. Even in your big case that game, you're still using a language that match what I would expect from you: Show nested quote +On July 05 2019 17:08 Trfel wrote:raynpelikoneet - Easy townreads early on that don't make sense (Grackaroni, Conversion)
+ Show Spoiler [Analysis] +Yeah yeah, I know, I'm one to talk, with my Eversince read and all. If that's really an issue for you let me know and I can explain it, I like to think we're all past that now though. On Grackaroni: On July 02 2019 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack might be town. Raynpelikoneet's initial town lean on Grackaroni. And here is his explanation: On July 03 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I had a townread on grack early on because i decided (after his last scumgame) to read him like i read yamato. Grackaroni is quite a low quantity poster. His post early on where he asks kind of a throwaway question on Trfel made me think there is some sort of thought process in his head. I gave him a slight townread for that. And here is the post in question: On July 02 2019 05:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Eversince looks different but it's also 4 years old.
I don't really trust her yet, but it seemed like Rayn had a really confident read on her in the last game, so I'd be interested to hear his take. To me this doesn't show thought process at all, raynpelikoneet's explanation really doesn't make sense here. Grackaroni stated two extremely obvious points, and it took minimal effort, and could easily be done by mafia. He didn't even draw any conclusions from this. Later, raynpelikoneet posts a further townread of Grackaroni: On July 03 2019 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
well i think grack officially goes to town pool now. Raynpelikoneet's reasons for this: On July 03 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
When he came back and followed up his stuff he actually DID follow it up and it even made sense. Grackaroni's posts in question: On July 03 2019 00:04 Grackaroni wrote:I think that post is very strange when compared to how he viewed me last game. I don't see how he can be so bothered by someone being willing to lynch me. Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
@Shapelog, what are you cooking?
Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas? On July 03 2019 00:08 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2019 00:04 Grackaroni wrote:I think that post is very strange when compared to how he viewed me last game. I don't see how he can be so bothered by someone being willing to lynch me. On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
@Shapelog, what are you cooking?
Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas? can you expand on this? He found me suspicious in the last game for not interacting with thread and disappearing. In this game he is calling other people opportunistic for considering voting me. However, raynpelikoneet himself even posted reasons to doubt this reasoning: On July 03 2019 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 00:08 Grackaroni wrote:On July 03 2019 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2019 00:04 Grackaroni wrote:I think that post is very strange when compared to how he viewed me last game. I don't see how he can be so bothered by someone being willing to lynch me. On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
@Shapelog, what are you cooking?
Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas? can you expand on this? He found me suspicious in the last game for not interacting with thread and disappearing. In this game he is calling other people opportunistic for considering voting me. but last game you did that as town in his mind right? In addition to the fact that it's easily explained. Grackaroni didn't even draw any conclusios from this, he just called it "very strange." To be honest, I don't see a ton of thought process or follow-up from Grackaroni in these posts, which is how raynpelikoneet characterized them. And I don't think most other players did either. So where did raynpelikoneet's townread come from? It feels like too much information, in this case, truly knowing that Grackaroni is town and letting that affect his read.
On Conversion: Raynpelikoneet's first post implying a townread of Conversion: On July 02 2019 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Hi conversion, seems like we share a lot of things and feelings. Are you me? Conversion's posts relevant to this: On July 02 2019 07:38 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 03:16 Eversince wrote:On July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
I'm mafia
AMA Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago? Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on I think Eversince is town, discuss? Why do you think I'm town? Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread I don’t like this post. ick On July 02 2019 07:50 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 07:43 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 07:38 Conversion wrote:On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 03:16 Eversince wrote:On July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
I'm mafia
AMA Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago? Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on I think Eversince is town, discuss? Why do you think I'm town? Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread I don’t like this post. ick Care to say why? too feel good-y for my condensed ball of rage and hatred also 4 year old meta seems like a reach to have a swing towards a read in any direction that early instead of something to pocket and observe for late This is at least somewhat understandable, though really Conversion only shared one thought. Later, raynpelikoneet posts this: On July 02 2019 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah conversion easily town this game. You can look here for the specific posts, it's a little long; but for a brief summary, Conversion's posts in question are pushing onto Eversince. Seems to be a townread simply for also scumreading Eversince. You can look at this exchange yourself, it starts on page 11, I just really feel (again) like this is a weak townread that doesn't have justification to back it up.
- Raynpelikoneet didn't care about the Day 1 lynch, between his townread and his scumread
+ Show Spoiler [Analysis] +Honestly I think this is probably the strongest point I have. From raynpelikoneet's perspective, the lynch in the last eight minutes was his townread (Conversion) against his strong scumread (Eversince). Posts in the thread in the last eight minutes of Day 1, making it clear that shenanigans were incoming: On July 04 2019 04:24 Pandain wrote:
I'm strongly for a Conv lynch (if Grack won't get lynched) just because I have town reads on everyone except Grack and him.
Jock is way too active. Rayn is way too active. HF could be scum but seems townie.
Trfel is playing like his town games. Eywa was really townie with his exhcnage with me.
Who else wants to lynch Conv (or grack) On July 04 2019 04:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
Pandain switch to conversion with me On July 04 2019 04:26 Pandain wrote:I switched. Who else wants to join? On July 04 2019 04:27 Pandain wrote:
If ES and Trfel switch ES is saved
Grack vote conv So raynpelikoneet was present, and if he was at all reading, knew that shenanigans were coming and that Conversion being lynched was at least a possiblity. During these last eight minutes, here are raynpelikoneet's posts: On July 04 2019 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I get that i am probably overreacting, i just hate when someone is for example called out for lying and they say "but i just did it because the sky is red" and people go woaaah must be town, nothing wrong with that, look they gave an EXPLANATION, when i n fact the whole explanation doesn't make any fucking sense at all. On July 04 2019 04:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 04:23 Holyflare wrote:On July 04 2019 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 04 2019 04:19 Pandain wrote:On July 04 2019 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2019 23:32 Holyflare wrote:On July 03 2019 23:19 Trfel wrote:On July 03 2019 01:09 Eversince wrote:
And I've played with HF a few times over the years. He's stupid good mafia player. If he's town he'll figure things out! Go look at his massive list of games to look. Like he can be wrong but mafia almost always shoot into the vets on this site (HF/Rayn/Marv etc..etc.) @Raynpelikoneet, is the bolded the thing you are using to scumread Eversince? Because to me, Eversince is saying here that Holyflare is good at mafia as a game, not as an alignment. She also clarified that she meant I'm good at mafia rather than the mafia alignment. I know she did but do you believe that's the truth? I don't. That was everyone's interpetation of the comment except you. You're the only one reading it otherwise. Also, it's clear that he meant the game and not the alignment because she specifically says "if he's town he'll figure it out" right after. It wouldn't be very sensical if she was referring to the mafia alignment and then said hes a good town player. that's not my point. my point is noone says "good at the game" unless the player in consideration is also good as mafia, because people who are only good as town are not good mafia players. Even I think this point is a stretch my dude. I've seen plenty of people say that. I could possibly believe her if she didnt try to prove her oiint with something that doesnt exist. Thats why i think she is making shit up on the fly. He's continuing to argue and explain himself. He's only minimally pushing Eversince here, he's not saying anything about Conversion, he's not getting upset, he seems very calm and relaxed. In fact, it doesn't feel like raynpelikoneet is invested or cares about the lynch at all. I know I made a similar point against Holyflare in my case on him, but that was a bad case. There the point was bad, because in that game Holyflare made several posts to Eversince, calling her mafia, in the same time window. The argument against Holyflare was that the posts were addressed to Eversince instead of the thread, which is weak. And even still Holyflare made a post to the threaad in response to the shenanigans: On July 04 2019 04:29 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 04:28 Pandain wrote:
HF no idea why you're talking when you're never gonna change your mind in a million years Because I know you tools will do some stupid shit and she won't get lynched. Yet raynpelikoneet did none of this. He did not care about the lynch.
- raynpelikoneet is mad at Pandain for shooting Grackaroni, a player who he highly scumread
+ Show Spoiler [Analysis] +Through Night 1, raynpelikoneet believed that Eversince and Grackaroni were the two mafia. I will provide several quotes about this, for emphasis: On July 04 2019 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 22:42 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn what exactly are your reads actually? ES + Grackaroni mafia pretty much. On July 05 2019 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Aside from ES you should kill Grack. He made the post on me being mafia, i can understand you not agreeing with me here or even thinking it's a good post. Just read it again. It doesn't make sense i am sorry i can't explain it further. Then there is the post on Conversion i challenged at eod, the reasons he says conv is mafia for happened when he read conv town, middle point of the post is fluff that doesnt make anyone anything and the the rest is "rayn and conversion are mfia because other people i have better feelings on". Me + Conversion were his top town reads!!!!!! Who did what? He never goes into anything like who actually did something and what makes them town. He just throws out a narrative and sticks shit with it, conversion up to lynch and me to throw distrust on.
Sorry if not clear, but that's what i think. On July 05 2019 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Kill ES, kill Grack, profit. On July 05 2019 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Lynch ES, lynch Grack. If either of them are town then idk, maybe Pandain?
I have a hard time seeing anyone else as mafia. Maybe maybe maybe Eywa but that reasoning i have at the back of my head is fucked up and you will have to figure out yourself. Eywa is not mafia though. And here is raynpelikoneet's reaction to End of Night 1, seeing Holyflare and Grackaroni flip town: On July 05 2019 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuck you On July 05 2019 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
vigi what`? On July 05 2019 04:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Why no shot on ES?  Why in the hell? It doesn't make sense for raynpelikoneet to be mad here. He was highly suspecting Grackaroni, he was going to lynch Grackaroni after Eversince anyway. One of his scumreads still died, objectively it wasn't a bad shot. Raynpelikoneet has no reason to be mad about this, as he can still go and lynch Eversince (his other scumread) and then find out who the last mafia (assuming Eversince is mafia) is, the vigilante shot didn't really change much of anything. Except raynpelikoneet is mad about it anyway. This doesn't make sense from what his perspective should be.
Conclusion: I think there is a decent chance raynpelikoneet is mafia. I still want to filter everyone else before I decide, but I think these are some solid reasons to be suspicious of raynpelikoneet.
On March 30 2020 01:19 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2020 02:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Checking up on the thread although at work so won't have the time to do any deep dives until night. For now I'm considering GB's case on HF and thinking how much sense it makes.
I would prefer KSC get lynched but Trfel is a pretty close second. He hasn't shown up and I can lynch him on the same logic I don't like KSC for. what is this logic that is similar to Trfel and KSC??????
On March 30 2020 01:24 Rels wrote:This read progression is weird too Show nested quote +On March 28 2020 00:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 27 2020 18:19 Vivax wrote:
Why is HF 'definitely town', and why is Trfel's last line wishy-washy, in your own words? HF is town because he's spent Day 1 getting others to show up in the thread and post defenses, at which point he can write a book on all the different universes in which they're town or scum and why that's important. I like the pressure on me and Trfel and keeping Rels honest. His case on KSC and follow-up pressure is consistent and logical enough for me to believe it's a genuine case vs. looking for the worst player in the thread at any given moment. Show nested quote +On March 28 2020 02:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Checking up on the thread although at work so won't have the time to do any deep dives until night. For now I'm considering GB's case on HF and thinking how much sense it makes.
I would prefer KSC get lynched but Trfel is a pretty close second. He hasn't shown up and I can lynch him on the same logic I don't like KSC for.
On March 30 2020 01:25 Rels wrote:
Trfel and Sent also have a hardon to each other. Yes this is bad unflipped association but ...
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On April 03 2020 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:"I think main thign to watch now is what Trfel thinks of us. Day 1 we wanted to save both him and Kelsier, and lynch GB or Sentinel. D2 we wanted to lynch GB or Sentinel (where we voted doesn't really matter here). For Trfel we should be 100% town because we are doing very townie things assuming he is town and GB is ??? . So basically, if he calls us mafia then i think he is mafia." "yeah he said "they feel kinda town but need to re-evaluate" ä "yeah, i still his response is mild somehow" Sadly i never got to investogate this further lol... well or pretty much anything. gg and the google reads were a total blast, i laughed so hard with chezinu yesterday hahaha^^
possible to have a transcript of your chat? If not no problem
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