And I didn't get crap from his filter really except he thought Sent was scum along with Trfel and GB. Maybe he died because of his Sent read? I don't think Trfel and GB are mafia atm.
On March 29 2020 03:06 LightningStrike wrote: And I didn't get crap from his filter really except he thought Sent was scum along with Trfel and GB. Maybe he died because of his Sent read? I don't think Trfel and GB are mafia atm.
It could be anything
They could've thought he was the parity cop
He could be right on Sentinel
Or they could just think town is so wrong in their predictions that it would be better to keep the talking people alive
Assuming Trfel flips town based on his EoD stuff Rels is the only one not flipped that was on the Trfel wagon and could tell us what type of wagon it was on Trfel. Maybe 1 mafia on the KSC wagon and 1 out of Chez, Palmar, and Shockeyy based on VCA?
On March 29 2020 09:22 GlowingBear wrote: I'm lynching Sentinel
Reason?
I've wasted my time going after one of the most outspoken persons in the game just to be mod confirmed as town, while lots of people aren't even playing.
I'm tired of playing games like this so I'd rather just lynch the lurkers
I don't think HF is mod confirmed town? Lynching lurkers in a game full of lurkers seems lol worthy?
On March 29 2020 09:22 GlowingBear wrote: I'm lynching Sentinel
Reason?
I've wasted my time going after one of the most outspoken persons in the game just to be mod confirmed as town, while lots of people aren't even playing.
I'm tired of playing games like this so I'd rather just lynch the lurkers
I don't think HF is mod confirmed town? Lynching lurkers in a game full of lurkers seems lol worthy?
Do you believe Holyflare really got corona but decided, as Mafia, to fake this emotional reaction and ask to get out of the game?
I really do think he got corona but I didn't think he was modconfirmed though but he's more likely to be town due to his emotional reaction at the start of the day.
On March 28 2020 02:27 Trfel wrote: I'm so sick of getting killed Day 1 for nonsense, garbage reasons, it happened the last two games.
Yet again, no one has responded to the actual thoughts I've been sharing, people are picking on meaningless semantics.
And there's a ridiculously scummy person (KelsierSC) who definitely deserves to be killed but no one cares. He "redeemed himself" with a single post that contained actual thinking:
Not a huge amount to write about him that hasn't been said. I think agreeing with HF isn't scummy it's a lot of writing with quotes and everything. The part I don't like is how he throws on some additional fire that actually says nothing about my alignment. feels like this is added on so it doesn't look like a blatant sheep
These don't line up. I get that agreeing with someone's reads and reading them as town are different things, but in this case KelsierSC didn't like LightningStrike's logic or read results and never mentioned a positive thing. Just read the posts yourself, I still don't understand AT ALL how KelsierSC decided to townread LightningStrike there. There was nothing about the conversation that "felt ok."
I think his palmar case is ok but I don't recall Palmar being good on D1 but his point about it not being a weekend has merit and palmar's lack of direction is a fair comment. I do like his comment about palmar being an unlikely D1 lynch so vote me instead, that's a pretty town mindset.
Finally he made some non commital stuff about sentinel , scum lean but holding back.
I think trefl is good enough for a D1 pass.
I was never non-comittal about [UoN]Sentinel, I never said he was a scum lean. I never said I was holding back. I said I wanted to wait for more information and see how his play evolved, which made sense given the circumstance.
In this post KelsierSC even says that my two main pushes/scumreads, comprising the majority of my play this game, are both ok. Yet he still thinks I'm mafia. He's picking on semantics, making up reasons, and has absolutely NOT redeemed his earlier play.
and this post:
On March 28 2020 02:51 Trfel wrote: Furthermore, there ABSOLUTELY IS truth to the Palmar Day 1 thing. And the fact that he has refused to acknowledge it practically makes him mafia. Maybe the meta isn't completely accurate, especially if no one here has heard of it, but at least the perception of this meta has definitely existed.
On May 12 2015 20:14 GlowingBear wrote: ##Pardon: Bill Murray
Now lynch someone that is scum.
Bye.
hahaha that's fuckin choice there's some next level shit going on here, pretty heroic
On May 12 2015 22:21 batsnacks wrote: ##vote Sandroba
I found probable mafia. Unfortunately I can't explain it without claiming. It's weird though because sandroba did nothing last game as mafia and now he's talking a lot.
so are you like 3p lyncher and you win if sandro dies or what
On May 12 2015 22:32 Palmar wrote: There is not nearly enough emotions in the thread about GB pardoning BM. Why aren't yall people who think BM is mafia absolutely frothing right now?
Palmar deffo town just based on this btw
On May 12 2015 23:09 Palmar wrote: you're right that was a bit dick-ish, sorry LS
But the point stands. Sandroba not posting as mafia in one game does not mean he cannot post in another, and because of the filter limitations it's not exactly hard to post 3 pages of stuff in one game.
Same with RoL. He's lazy and shit as either alignment. But he did jump a dumb remark from me (apparently a lot of people here are literally sheldon).
Like maybe I'm just wrong and bad about sandroba, projecting my own personality on him too much but he's now done two things this game where I just think "If I was towndroba in this situation I'd have reacted completely differently". Aside from my initial point about how him saying he'd keep an eye on marv was basically a pointless sentence that doesn't fit in (If he doesn't say that, can we then assume he's not keeping an eye on marv? Isn't the default position in all mafia games to always keep an eye on everyone?), there is more too.
1). Sandroba's reaction to me calling him scum.
On May 11 2015 23:30 sandroba wrote:
On May 11 2015 23:24 Palmar wrote: Every time I say something really dumb the thread dies.
fixed it for you.
I wouldn't mind killing jat either.
Dismissal. He doesn't defend against my point and he doesn't try to use it to pry into my own alignment. He just outright dismisses my stuff, only to come back later and say:
On May 12 2015 19:55 sandroba wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:49 Palmar wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:49 sandroba wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:47 Palmar wrote: I don't really think BM is mafia but I haven't read too much up on the game.
Any time frame we should expect the reading to start? I enjoy playing games with you, but not when I can't actually discuss important points with you and get your input.
You're mafia so why do you care?
If you believe so, I want you to tell me why that is. I can't tell if you are trolling/tunneling aimlessly or you actually believe what you are saying.
Which implies he doesn't know why I think he's mafia, when I had already explained it then.
Also
2). His reaction to the BM pardon.
Sandroba literally just made this case on BM:
On May 12 2015 19:34 sandroba wrote: I think we do need to lynch BM today. The bullshit level in his posts is a lot higher than anything I've seen from him. It is still possible that he is town and using a large quantity of drugs but that I cannot account for, and unless someone can confirm him town so he can be safely ignored we will need to deal with him at some point and I would prefer if it was today. One example of the BS he is pushing that I think points to him clearly lying on purpose and not being on drugs is this post:
On May 12 2015 16:22 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 11 2015 10:06 Trfel wrote: Hello.
I'll get to this game in a few hours at the latest. I am sorry for my absence today, I'll be better during the week than on weekends.
The purpose of this post is to ensure that I comply with the "one post every 24 hours" rule. Meanwhile, enjoy some music.
So Trfel makes excuses "ill be absent" "this post it so ensure that i comply with the one post every 24 hours rule" then he posts a video... cool. really beneficial before this all he had done was harass people
Then I nuke him for behaving like this, which didnt fit how he played last game as town
WITHIN AN HOUR of him "fulfilling his daily post on mothers day", he posts:
On May 11 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: You're kidding me.
You nuked me for low activity on a weekend, and Mothers' Day?
I really hope you are not town here, because you being town would really kill my motivation to play this game. I mean, if you're going to give the majority of your posts for the first 24 hours away, you really shouldn't be killing me for not playing in a 24 hour period.
And not only that, but he wants to misrepresent what happened He instead attacks me NOT for me nuking him, but wants to lie and come up with some bullshit excuse to basically omgus me
1) he tries to nuke me in return that doesnt work 2) he votes me 3) he then proceeded to ask me if i have any more nukes after unvoting 4) he finds out i have no more nukes 5) he votes me again
this guy isnt enjoyable to play with, and his behavior is self serving and scummy as fuck
He is clearly nit picking and ignoring parts of trfel post. trfel states that he is going to be back in a few hours to this game but BM does not bold that part and bolds parts that change the meaning of the post. Also he flat out lies about the time elapsed between the 2 posts, which was 4 hours, not one, in accordance to the part BM chose to overlook in his first post. Conclusion is I think he is doing it on purpose and is mafia for it. ##vote: BM
And his primary scumread gets pardoned.
This is fucking sandroba people. Not some random scrub who doesn't know jack shit about the game. Again, I may be projecting my own personality but I'd be so mad at this.
Think how I would've reacted if anyone would've pardoned GB in mini mafia mini thing or someone had pardoned WoS in noir 3. I was mad enough with people just not listening to me. But someone actively shutting me down? Fuck that.
I don't think sandroba cares, I think he didn't defend my case and instead chose to dismiss it and I think my initial point was very good.
On May 13 2015 02:12 Palmar wrote: I'm off guys for a while and I think I'm also out of posts.
I'm okay with my vote where it is. I don't think sandroba would dismiss my stuff as trolling if he was town. I'm waffling a bit because people keep telling me he's not mafia and marv seems to actually be willing to sort of go out on a limb to defend him which I'm not sure marv would do as a scumbuddy. But the points against him stand.
oh yeah in addition to sandro i'm still fine with JAT lynch but I'm too laz to write a case and I think Palmar's star power plus sandro acting weird should be on its own enough to get sandro lynched. i'll check back in a few hours, say my name in your post and i'll read it if your got questions for me
On May 13 2015 05:47 Blazinghand wrote: Eh, I get it, Vivax is being uncaring or whatever, and he actually is a really amazing player as town. I can't really give a good argument in his defense, but I still think the right move here is to follow Palmar, who has god tier D1 reads
I felt his anger was real especially from the last post I quoted and so did GB.
On March 28 2020 02:59 ShoCkeyy wrote: Oh boy if KSC is town this game is going to get really interesting. I'll also feel bad cause I tried to save him.
If he's mafia, then well, I think it'll just prove HF is town, while Palmar definitely becomes scummier...
Why is Palmar's alignment related to KelsierSC's in this way? If KelsierSC was mafia, Palmar voted for him very early, and then switched to an off wagon...
I just don't understand this.
On March 28 2020 03:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: :pop:
And this, I hate whenever people show up right AFTER the deadline instead of helping before.
And @Holyflare, what vindicating qualities does Palmar have now?
Gonna take some time to rethink, I'll probably be around sporadically for the rest of the day.
Because it's the easiest play a scum player can make.... Vote for the first case to seem active, then vote for who you can try and frame as the scummiest player. It's literal mafia logic.
If I'm understanding you correctly, wouldn't this then also apply if KelsierSC was town (like he is)? Why does KelsierSC have to be mafia for this suspicion of Palmar to be true?
I never claimed KSC was mafia? I never thought he was.
On March 28 2020 02:59 ShoCkeyy wrote: Oh boy if KSC is town this game is going to get really interesting. I'll also feel bad cause I tried to save him.
If he's mafia, then well, I think it'll just prove HF is town, while Palmar definitely becomes scummier...
This post has the following logic:
IF KelsierSC is TOWN -> no conclusion IF KelsierSC is MAFIA -> Holyflare is town, Palmar is scummier
On March 28 2020 02:59 ShoCkeyy wrote: Oh boy if KSC is town this game is going to get really interesting. I'll also feel bad cause I tried to save him.
If he's mafia, then well, I think it'll just prove HF is town, while Palmar definitely becomes scummier...
Why is Palmar's alignment related to KelsierSC's in this way? If KelsierSC was mafia, Palmar voted for him very early, and then switched to an off wagon...
I just don't understand this.
On March 28 2020 03:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: :pop:
And this, I hate whenever people show up right AFTER the deadline instead of helping before.
And @Holyflare, what vindicating qualities does Palmar have now?
Gonna take some time to rethink, I'll probably be around sporadically for the rest of the day.
Because it's the easiest play a scum player can make.... Vote for the first case to seem active, then vote for who you can try and frame as the scummiest player. It's literal mafia logic.
Which I can buy. However the logic here doesn't depend on anyone else's alignment at all.
Does anyone else see this? Unless I'm missing something or there is some explanation, ShoCkeyy shows a complete failure in logic here. Also note that he only has Palmar being scummier on the (If KelsierSC is Mafia) option, which isn't even what he thought! I don't understand how town could actually think this way.
Going for a walk now but I'll definitely take a closer look at ShoCkeyy.
On March 27 2020 22:40 LightningStrike wrote: Barely awake was to tired to post last night
On March 27 2020 11:01 Trfel wrote: GlowingBear and everyone else, care to respond to the actual points I've raised instead of meaningless nonsense?
Getting kinda sick of this.
Yes, I'm confused because one of my main scumreads is voting for the other one. I'm not confident enough in my reads to vote, given the circumstance. If you have any actual help or comments on my reads to help sort this out, I would really appreciate it.
Otherwise, BUGGER OFF.
Regarding your case on Palmar (had to check meta this morning): He had a lazyish Day 1 before as town as shown in Mafia For Busy People and Mafia Mafia Mafia (his filters if you want them: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/534114-mafia-for-busy-people?user=Palmarhttps://tl.net/forum/mafia/528650-mafia-mafia-mafia-mafia?user=Palmar ) Now regarding no direction: He had 4 scum reads with a stronger one on Shockeyy by that point when you posted your case. As for your play: Even if one of your scumreads voted one of your other scumreads why not vote for the one who you think is scummier? That is why I think you're mafia. With that being said Palmar does move up for me as closer to town now with that meta research I done this morning.
@LightningStrike, if we're going to argue meta and all that...
In Mafia for Busy People, Palmar was lynched Day 1, on a weekend. It's well known Palmar doesn't play on weekends. While Palmar didn't do anything in the linked game, he didn't start this game on a weekend, so there is no excuse.
In Mafia Mafia Mafia, again this is quite a different case, as Palmar was apparently in Portugal and didn't realize the game started until there were about 8 hours left in Day 1. Obviously not relevant to this situation. But I'll humor you. Read Palmar's filter from that game, and he gets right to the point in trying to figure out who he wants to vote for. He acknowledges the current cases and chooses his vote. Of course he has no thread presence (since he didn't read any of the game) so he had to play with that, but I still see more investment from Palmar in that game than in the current game.
I do know that Palmar doesn't like playing on the weekend hell if he plays a lot during the weekend it actually makes him scum lol >.< Well your argument he didn't do much in this game which was why I picked that game despite it being on the weekend for that purpose. Regarding the 2nd game: Yes I knoww he stated that he didn't know know the game started and had to sheep (again your argument he didn't do much this game which was also despite him doing a late start was why I picked this game as well). Palmar is actually investing in this game now a bit granted it wasn't spectacular stuff he had during the weekend and Day 1 but he started to pick up pieces now.
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