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On March 28 2020 07:09 Holyflare wrote: GB posted that he's positive I'm mafia repeatedly for about 4 pages, he also defended Kelsier and called him town. Yet what explanation have we received other than he won't play anymore for why he killed his town read and voted with his certain mafia read?
If you're town, unless you believe Trfel is definitely Mafia, I have no motivation to do that switch as scum.
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On March 28 2020 06:55 Vivax wrote: Ok GB. Sorry for calling you dumb or mafia for that play and saying you are shitting up the thread.
But you derailed a lynch onto a townie. While voting with your scumread that you spent a ton of posts on in what looks like an ego-war you deliberately wanted to start. Which makes perfect sense for mafia before the nr.1 way to get HF to start spamming the thread is to trigger him in some way. When he's mafia he does that on his own. The game is much less confusing when he can just do his thing in peace for a while.
And what I meant with Palmar+Shockey not playing referred to them wasting their votes.
Alright.
You are assuming HF is town?
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On March 29 2020 01:55 LightningStrike wrote:Still noone commented on this? Show nested quote +On March 28 2020 09:44 LightningStrike wrote:On March 28 2020 09:43 LightningStrike wrote:On March 28 2020 03:02 Tubesock wrote:Day 1 of quarantine Final Votes KelsierSC: (5) Holyflare, Palmar, [UoN]Sentinel, Rels, Trfel, GlowingBear, LightningStrikeTrfel: (3) LightningStrike, GlowingBear , Rels, Vivax, KelsierSC GlowingBear: (1) Chezinu ShoCkeyy: (1) Palmar Palmar: (1) ShoCkeyy Holyflare: (0) Rels, KelsierSC, GlowingBear, LightningStrike, GlowingBear[UoN]Sentinel: (0) Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, Vivax, GlowingBear , KelsierSCRels: (0) GlowingBearKelsierSC is set to die with 5 votesThe deadline for the day is Friday, Mar 27 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in
VOTE THREAD HERE (CLICK ME) Assuming Trfel flips town and knowing my alignment mafia might of had laughed their asses and could bury themselves in either wagon unless you think a mafia is one of the solo voters then the partner would have to be on one of the wagons EoD. Kinda depressed about that 
It depends on each player's meta if mafia is inside or outside the main wagons. If it was me, I would take the erratic route and keep my vote on Holyflare and tunnel him, regardless if my partner is under attack or no, because it will be easy for me to survive (I'll never be top town, so if I don't die, they won't throw suspicions at me / I'll never be top scum because I didn't try to save my partner if he is one of the main wagons). In my opinion, vote analysis per se won't help us.
What could help us is to try to understand how mafia would act in a 9 v 2 game. A perfect match for them would be: 7v2 / 5v2 / 3v2. Three myslinches without dying. It's not easy if town is organized. They can't have suspicions thrown at them either, because they need to survive and they don't have a partner to "spare", to be totally erratic. So Mafia needs to keep disorganizing town and manipulate information in thread, without really compromising themselves. I expect at least one mafia to do that. They will use their perfect information to play a very logic game. Unfortunately, many townies are fitting this perspective. But two people in particular stands out for me, which is Holyflare and Vivax. Holyflare for the reasons I've already said here. It's way too obvious for me. He's been selective, manipulative, and I don't believe he is trying to actually solve the game. Vivax because he has been under the radar, playing a very safe game, and at the moment he could throw suspicions at me, he did. It fits mafia perspective very well. Also, I remember Vivax been very paranoid and erratic as town. He would think everything is scummy, jumping on every person. This Vivax calls me out for "shitting the thread" without actually commenting on what I've said about Holyflare while assuming Holyflare is town (he would never give Holyflare a pass). Just as last game. Also, see that Holyflare never said a thing about Vivax. I've asked him what he thinks about Vivax, but he ignored. It's hard to talk about key people when you have perfect information. A team of Vivax and Holyflare[/red][/red] is very possible. But I don't want to talk about teams because it would be unflipped association. I am scumreading both for their play alone.
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On March 29 2020 02:27 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2020 02:13 GlowingBear wrote:On March 29 2020 01:55 LightningStrike wrote:Still noone commented on this? On March 28 2020 09:44 LightningStrike wrote:On March 28 2020 09:43 LightningStrike wrote:On March 28 2020 03:02 Tubesock wrote:Day 1 of quarantine Final Votes KelsierSC: (5) Holyflare, Palmar, [UoN]Sentinel, Rels, Trfel, GlowingBear, LightningStrikeTrfel: (3) LightningStrike, GlowingBear , Rels, Vivax, KelsierSC GlowingBear: (1) Chezinu ShoCkeyy: (1) Palmar Palmar: (1) ShoCkeyy Holyflare: (0) Rels, KelsierSC, GlowingBear, LightningStrike, GlowingBear[UoN]Sentinel: (0) Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, Vivax, GlowingBear , KelsierSCRels: (0) GlowingBearKelsierSC is set to die with 5 votesThe deadline for the day is Friday, Mar 27 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in
VOTE THREAD HERE (CLICK ME) Assuming Trfel flips town and knowing my alignment mafia might of had laughed their asses and could bury themselves in either wagon unless you think a mafia is one of the solo voters then the partner would have to be on one of the wagons EoD. Kinda depressed about that  It depends on each player's meta if mafia is inside or outside the main wagons. If it was me, I would take the erratic route and keep my vote on Holyflare and tunnel him, regardless if my partner is under attack or no, because it will be easy for me to survive (I'll never be top town, so if I don't die, they won't throw suspicions at me / I'll never be top scum because I didn't try to save my partner if he is one of the main wagons). In my opinion, vote analysis per se won't help us. What could help us is to try to understand how mafia would act in a 9 v 2 game. A perfect match for them would be: 7v2 / 5v2 / 3v2. Three myslinches without dying. It's not easy if town is organized. They can't have suspicions thrown at them either, because they need to survive and they don't have a partner to "spare", to be totally erratic. So Mafia needs to keep disorganizing town and manipulate information in thread, without really compromising themselves. I expect at least one mafia to do that. They will use their perfect information to play a very logic game. Unfortunately, many townies are fitting this perspective. But two people in particular stands out for me, which is Holyflare and Vivax. Holyflare for the reasons I've already said here. It's way too obvious for me. He's been selective, manipulative, and I don't believe he is trying to actually solve the game. Vivax because he has been under the radar, playing a very safe game, and at the moment he could throw suspicions at me, he did. It fits mafia perspective very well. Also, I remember Vivax been very paranoid and erratic as town. He would think everything is scummy, jumping on every person. This Vivax calls me out for "shitting the thread" without actually commenting on what I've said about Holyflare while assuming Holyflare is town (he would never give Holyflare a pass). Just as last game. Also, see that Holyflare never said a thing about Vivax. I've asked him what he thinks about Vivax, but he ignored. It's hard to talk about key people when you have perfect information. A team of Vivax and Holyflare is very possible. But I don't want to talk about teams because it would be unflipped association. I am scumreading both for their play alone. Good points about how mafia would act in a 9v2 vs a normal setup. Ya Vivax isn't as paranoid this game as he normally is as town and clearly didn't read the thread much at all when he called you out when fi he had looked at EoD he would clearly see why you swapped (and for that matter why I also swapped). HF is definitely looking worse that lynch on KSC based on the fact he made the case on KSC and pushed him. [/red][/red]
Exactly. I was upset when he called me out, it's very frustrating playing a game where I believe Holyflare is mafia but people don't want to consider it just because he is a high profile player. I've lost countless games to this thinking. I even lost a game where I flipped cop and had a red check on him, and people didn't lynch him because they thought he was a miller. It's frustrating.
Anyway, took my time off the game and I'm not upset anymore. And analyzing Vivax reaction to me, it feels extremely fake. I'm confident he is mafia.
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On March 29 2020 02:39 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2020 02:36 GlowingBear wrote:On March 29 2020 02:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 29 2020 02:13 GlowingBear wrote:On March 29 2020 01:55 LightningStrike wrote:Still noone commented on this? On March 28 2020 09:44 LightningStrike wrote:On March 28 2020 09:43 LightningStrike wrote:On March 28 2020 03:02 Tubesock wrote:Day 1 of quarantine Final Votes KelsierSC: (5) Holyflare, Palmar, [UoN]Sentinel, Rels, Trfel, GlowingBear, LightningStrikeTrfel: (3) LightningStrike, GlowingBear , Rels, Vivax, KelsierSC GlowingBear: (1) Chezinu ShoCkeyy: (1) Palmar Palmar: (1) ShoCkeyy Holyflare: (0) Rels, KelsierSC, GlowingBear, LightningStrike, GlowingBear[UoN]Sentinel: (0) Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, Vivax, GlowingBear , KelsierSCRels: (0) GlowingBearKelsierSC is set to die with 5 votesThe deadline for the day is Friday, Mar 27 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in
VOTE THREAD HERE (CLICK ME) Assuming Trfel flips town and knowing my alignment mafia might of had laughed their asses and could bury themselves in either wagon unless you think a mafia is one of the solo voters then the partner would have to be on one of the wagons EoD. Kinda depressed about that  It depends on each player's meta if mafia is inside or outside the main wagons. If it was me, I would take the erratic route and keep my vote on Holyflare and tunnel him, regardless if my partner is under attack or no, because it will be easy for me to survive (I'll never be top town, so if I don't die, they won't throw suspicions at me / I'll never be top scum because I didn't try to save my partner if he is one of the main wagons). In my opinion, vote analysis per se won't help us. What could help us is to try to understand how mafia would act in a 9 v 2 game. A perfect match for them would be: 7v2 / 5v2 / 3v2. Three myslinches without dying. It's not easy if town is organized. They can't have suspicions thrown at them either, because they need to survive and they don't have a partner to "spare", to be totally erratic. So Mafia needs to keep disorganizing town and manipulate information in thread, without really compromising themselves. I expect at least one mafia to do that. They will use their perfect information to play a very logic game. Unfortunately, many townies are fitting this perspective. But two people in particular stands out for me, which is Holyflare and Vivax. Holyflare for the reasons I've already said here. It's way too obvious for me. He's been selective, manipulative, and I don't believe he is trying to actually solve the game. Vivax because he has been under the radar, playing a very safe game, and at the moment he could throw suspicions at me, he did. It fits mafia perspective very well. Also, I remember Vivax been very paranoid and erratic as town. He would think everything is scummy, jumping on every person. This Vivax calls me out for "shitting the thread" without actually commenting on what I've said about Holyflare while assuming Holyflare is town (he would never give Holyflare a pass). Just as last game. Also, see that Holyflare never said a thing about Vivax. I've asked him what he thinks about Vivax, but he ignored. It's hard to talk about key people when you have perfect information. A team of Vivax and Holyflare is very possible. But I don't want to talk about teams because it would be unflipped association. I am scumreading both for their play alone. Good points about how mafia would act in a 9v2 vs a normal setup. Ya Vivax isn't as paranoid this game as he normally is as town and clearly didn't read the thread much at all when he called you out when fi he had looked at EoD he would clearly see why you swapped (and for that matter why I also swapped). HF is definitely looking worse that lynch on KSC based on the fact he made the case on KSC and pushed him. Exactly. I was upset when he called me out, it's very frustrating playing a game where I believe Holyflare is mafia but people don't want to consider it just because he is a high profile player. I've lost countless games to this thinking. I even lost a game where I flipped cop and had a red check on him, and people didn't lynch him because they thought he was a miller. It's frustrating. Anyway, took my time off the game and I'm not upset anymore. And analyzing Vivax reaction to me, it feels extremely fake. I'm confident he is mafia. Sorry about that I was the one who threw that game that you speaking about regarding that cop check. As for why I didn't switch to HF: I didn't think we had the people do it at EoD to do it without lynching Trfel. Vivax might be mafia it will be more apparent if he is as the game progresses since he doesn't post much as scum later in the game.
Don't be sorry, I've just used it as an example of how this thing keeps repeating here. I've switched off of Holyflare because we didn't have enough people convinced to lynch him.
We have at least 1 townie wasting vote, so town just needs to step up and be organize. It's hard to do when town isn't playing
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On March 29 2020 02:42 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2020 02:36 GlowingBear wrote: Anyway, took my time off the game and I'm not upset anymore. And analyzing Vivax reaction to me, it feels extremely fake. I'm confident he is mafia. I also hated his posts this night, the way he putted a lot of blame on you was pretty scummy
Exactly, it makes no sense at all since he isn't actively playing the game or scum hunting.
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Btw, I believe HF and Rels can't be Mafia together. Just saying.
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On March 29 2020 03:06 LightningStrike wrote: And I didn't get crap from his filter really except he thought Sent was scum along with Trfel and GB. Maybe he died because of his Sent read? I don't think Trfel and GB are mafia atm.
It could be anything
They could've thought he was the parity cop
He could be right on Sentinel
Or they could just think town is so wrong in their predictions that it would be better to keep the talking people alive
I wouldn't take this much in consideration
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OR
Mafia wants to incriminate me
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On March 29 2020 03:29 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2020 03:16 GlowingBear wrote:On March 29 2020 03:06 LightningStrike wrote: And I didn't get crap from his filter really except he thought Sent was scum along with Trfel and GB. Maybe he died because of his Sent read? I don't think Trfel and GB are mafia atm. It could be anything They could've thought he was the parity cop He could be right on Sentinel Or they could just think town is so wrong in their predictions that it would be better to keep the talking people aliveI wouldn't take this much in consideration Probably the bolded part honestly I guess.
I actually think it could be any reason and, therefore, shouldn't be considered atm
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On March 29 2020 03:58 Holyflare wrote: It's very bm not to kill me when I'm almost guaranteed to not be able to play so thanks for being a dick to a sick person gb.
HAHAHAHAHA you're so full of shit here HF
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On March 29 2020 04:06 Holyflare wrote: There is no world, no plane of existence where GB magically starts calling me mafia right at eod day 1 despite airing no grievances previously and is SO sure I'm mafia and actually hard defends Kelsier as being town that he votes Kelsier at eod WITH ME.
He's so paranoid of how bad he looks he auto defends himself with inane over explained reasons. He has also lied repeatedly to over exaggerate how he's so good at finding me when I'm mafia. That has never and will never be the case and there is quite a clear history of him being wrong and also him pushing me to stir shit when he's mafia.
History of games says otherwise.
Explain to me why me, as Mafia, would do such move at EoD. Tell me my motivation.
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On March 29 2020 05:13 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2020 06:55 Vivax wrote: Ok GB. Sorry for calling you dumb or mafia for that play and saying you are shitting up the thread.
But you derailed a lynch onto a townie. While voting with your scumread that you spent a ton of posts on in what looks like an ego-war you deliberately wanted to start. Which makes perfect sense for mafia before the nr.1 way to get HF to start spamming the thread is to trigger him in some way. When he's mafia he does that on his own. The game is much less confusing when he can just do his thing in peace for a while.
And what I meant with Palmar+Shockey not playing referred to them wasting their votes. He got you. Guarantee there's a post in your qt scared of it.
"CONFESS, YOU CRIMINAL! MY NARRATIVE IS GREAT!"
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On March 29 2020 05:36 Holyflare wrote: My narrative is literally a quote from your filter. It's your own narrative that caught you.
I said Mafia would play a very safe game while trying to discredit and manipulate town while not being outspoken. I'm playing anything but safe.
Your narrative is that I was shitting the thread - I actually brought content about you and even said I was going to refrain from keep saying to have you lynched. I merely responded questions about you
Then you say that I, as mafia, shot Vivax because he was right and that I decided to not shoot you instead because you are sick and wouldn't be able to play
This is a narrative. Mafia could've picked Vivax for any reason. The fact that you're building a narrative to discredit me when I actually brought valid points about you - points that you didn't actually tried to attack - shows that you're interested only to discredit me working under bad narratives.
Again, you're not interested in solving the game. You're just picking some posts you THINK are fragile or that could help your narrative to disorganized town an push mislynches.
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Do you agree Mafia will probably play a safe game here?
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On March 29 2020 06:05 Holyflare wrote: You're a really boring broken record GB. Leave the thread and stop arguing pointless drivel. If you have something constructive to say, say it. Your posts are designed to cause arguments with me instead of proving to other people I'm mafia, that is why you are indeed mafia.
Prove to people I'm mafia, stop trying to prove to me that I'm mafia.
I'm trying to have a conversation with you while pointing out how opportunistic has been your approach on me on this game. Yes every time I try to discuss something, you shut down conversation with offenses and emotional reactions.
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On March 29 2020 06:10 Holyflare wrote: I'm not interested in solving the game at all. I'm going to potentially fucking die. Do you not get why I honestly couldn't give a shit about this game anymore?
I'm sorry if this is true, but why are you still playing, then?
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Help me get you lynched if you really do not care about the game
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On March 29 2020 06:16 Holyflare wrote: You call me mafia opportunistically and degrade my case saying how weak it is and how townie you think kelsier is and you have no backbone to vote me and vote off kelsier instead.
That's disgraceful. You are mafia or the worst townie I have seen in a long time.
This is unnecessary regardless of your alignment.
Wishing you all the best while still thinking you're Mafia
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