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On April 03 2020 02:21 LightningStrike wrote:
But it's considered serious work when not everyone would do that as scum and just make up bullshit reasoning. Here he decided to check out that game and actually found something disproved Palmar's point on you. Does my work not count as serious?!
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On April 03 2020 02:21 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2020 02:17 Trfel wrote:On April 03 2020 02:12 GlowingBear wrote:On April 03 2020 02:05 Trfel wrote:On April 02 2020 22:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Trfel, I've read all you've posted except for LS. If LS is mafia, he won the game. He's based town for me and I'm sure he will be the night kill tonight.
About Rels: Half of your case is assuming mafia would bus and his vote on Sentinel proves he is mafia. The second half is that Rels isn't really inspiring in this game and is parroting people, not really bringing lots of original thoughts. This I agree and was the reason I was wary of him.
About Palmar: Most of your points can be applied to anyone. 4th point is associative and it could be applied to me, for instance, that decided to switch from my top scumread to a townread (100% bad play). Not explaining too much of his reads isn't a mafia trait, he just said what he thinks and I find that pretty genuine. I also prefer not to say much, one liners are enough. He keeps saying "keep the game simple" and he is doing that.
The only point I think you can be right is being uninterested. That could come from both alignments anyway.
Now, I'm not saying Palmar couldn't be mafia. I'm saying these points aren't really convincing me. You know what does make me think Palmar could be mafia? Sentinel trying to have me lynched instead of Palmar.
I would be lynching you today, although I like that you're trying and if you are town, it wouldn't be the first time I was dumb enough to not see it. But Chez made me want to believe Rels is mafia and I think it's fun. If the flips red I'll always follow the House of Brown. Rels' vote on [UoN]Sentinel doesn't prove he is mafia, I literally said it's a wash. AKA I can't discern anything from it. Why would town ever not explain their reads? Especially to the degree that Palmar has been? I don't understand.
In short, not all associations are equal. But I have also discussed those already, I'd be happy to discuss other things as well. I think the most suspicious thing in Rels' filter is how he switches from Palmar to [UoN]Sentinel on Day 2. Obviously this is extremely suspect given [UoN]Sentinel's alignment, but also makes no sense on its own (look at the way he does it, not just the fact that he did). To me it feels fake. He dropped his vote for (IMO) suspect reasons* and voted for his #2 suspect over his #1 suspect for no reason.
Isn't this associative read, Trfel? I think Palmar is explaining, but in one liners. It's not the fact that he did it, that makes sense as mafia but could come from town. It's the way that he does it that makes no sense, regardless of [UoN]Sentinel's alignment. That is the suspicious part. Does that make sense? I can try to word it differently if not. You see, I disagree that it doesn't make sense. He was pressuring Palmar, got a response, went to kill someone that could surely be Mafia. I think it makes total sense Lemme copy paste this again.
I think the most suspicious thing in Rels' filter is how he switches from Palmar to [UoN]Sentinel on Day 2. Obviously this is extremely suspect given [UoN]Sentinel's alignment, but also makes no sense on its own (look at the way he does it, not just the fact that he did). To me it feels fake. He dropped his vote for (IMO) suspect reasons* and voted for his #2 suspect over his #1 suspect for no reason.
*I know he said he just voted for Palmar as a pressure vote. Palmar made a list post with little to no reasoning. Rels found it to be towny (how?) and also qualified this as Palmar playing the game (I strongly disagree, he showed barely any effort or thought).
The point in the asterisk is key. Rels had no reason to let up, he still has failed to explain why that post would affect anything in his reads.
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On April 03 2020 02:24 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2020 02:22 Trfel wrote:On April 03 2020 02:19 GlowingBear wrote:On April 03 2020 02:12 Trfel wrote:On April 03 2020 01:20 GlowingBear wrote:
In other words, it's not about putting effort in being wrong, it's putting effort in sterile things. He doesn't think Rels is Mafia? Why is he putting effort in reinforcing the suspicions? I'm not putting in effort to make other people suspect Rels, I'm trying to figure out Rels' alignment. I posted a large case on Palmar with quality content to persuade people to lynch Palmar instead of Rels. PLEASE stop with this nonsense. I'm sorry if you're town, Trfel, I just really can't see it. I understand what you're saying here, but I don't believe it. If I am wrong, at least I'll understand it's a meta thing. Please don't be frustrated No it is frustrating, because I've lost two games in a row by being lynched. I'm sick of this. My play has been solid, I'm confident Palmar is mafia, and everyone's lynching me instead while Palmar and his one-liners get away free. You know what, Trfel. You're right. You're trying. Palmar isn't. I'll lynch Palmar instead. ##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar I doubt it'll matter at this point, but I appreciate the thought and consideration. Thank you.
Remember this for when I die.
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On April 03 2020 02:26 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2020 02:22 Trfel wrote:On April 03 2020 02:21 LightningStrike wrote:
But it's considered serious work when not everyone would do that as scum and just make up bullshit reasoning. Here he decided to check out that game and actually found something disproved Palmar's point on you. Does my work not count as serious?! You are doing serious work right now. Very undecided right now >.< WHAT ABOUT ALL OF LAST NIGHT?!?!!
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@Rels, what about Palmar's list post to you qualified as "playing the game" and "towny?"
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On April 03 2020 02:40 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2020 02:33 Trfel wrote:
@Rels, what about Palmar's list post to you qualified as "playing the game" and "towny?" are these quotes from me? I don't think these few posts day 2 really showed the was playing the game, it's more that every post he made before these made sense with the mentality he claimed to have in this string of posts. Taking it cool, the game is going the way I want, the lynch is the lynch I want, no need to overcomplicate thing Yes, those are quotes from you. You said you wanted to force Palmar to play the game, so I assume that when you removed your vote, that you felt that criteria had been met.
What about the times where Palmar was voting for his lesser scumread, or Day 1 where the lynch wasn't the lynch he wanted and he didn't really care? How does that fit in with this perception?
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On March 29 2020 01:30 Palmar wrote:
I haven't reevaluated anything really, but I stand by my reads.
I moved away from KSC because he didn't really sound like mafia, it was just a policy lynch. @Rels
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Lynch Palmar Day 4 for me. Or else.
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I'm so bad at mafia 
I never know how to treat my teammates.
I also had such a bad start that there was no way to come back from it.
Ah well, at least the cop snipe was good haha.
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On April 03 2020 03:02 Rels wrote:GG all, thanks for hosting FF and Tube  Yes, this
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On April 03 2020 03:05 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2020 03:01 Rels wrote:
I'm impressed
if only you and Sent were more careful about your reads about the other, it would have been different This I almost lynched anyone else. To think that I've saved you day1 ROFL I always do that. Kinda worried about HF... Yeah, I felt you went kinda overboard on him honestly But since I was mafia I didn't know what to say to either you or him
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On April 03 2020 03:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Also my desire to play this game was actually because I'm indoors for much longer periods of time D: Yeah, I figured that may have been the case, but your anticipation for End of Night 2 kinda sealed the deal.
Good job town, well played!
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On April 03 2020 06:20 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Yea I was hoping for this to be a more active game. Personally I really did think the activity this game was fine. You guys got enough information out there to figure out who was town and who was mafia, no? What more could you ask for?
That said, if people wanted to play again, I'd be down to try and increase activity a bit. It's always easier if I am town, haha...
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