On March 28 2020 02:31 Rels wrote: Trfel I read everything you wrote and I've responded to you:
On March 27 2020 12:43 Rels wrote: Trfel the more I read your Palmar case the more I think you're mafia. It's just too on the nose. You're very smart, but your reasonning is so focused on a surface level it doesn't match. Like this:
On March 27 2020 09:54 Trfel wrote: Palmar doesn't care about who gets lynched. From town perspective this makes no sense. To me it feels like he's just interested in surviving and is disinterested otherwise, or that KelsierSC is town and Palmar is trying to set up extra mislynches.
I don't see you believing this. It's too obvious - of course Palmar's play is disinterested, if you want to push him it's because you want to warn him of doing something or die or something like that. I have a hard time believing that you really think he slipped up and was too carefree in his posts ...
Rels, I don't really understand what you're saying here. You're saying I'm mafia because my case on Palmar is too simple? Like the reasoning is too obvious?
Why can't a simple reason make someone mafia? I've found it's so easy to overthink things while simple reads are often overlooked and tend to be right.
it's not that it's only simple, it's that it's simple and wrong. Palmar being carefree early in the game doesn't mean anything. But you made a big deal out of it. It doesn't match what I expect of you
I wouldn't use the word carefree, I'd just say he's not invested at all. Since when do we give players a free pass for doing absolutely nothing and not even wanting to see their scumreads lynched?
Note that Palmar even changed his play after I called him out on it! He went ahead and voted for ShoCkeyy, his top scum read, after all. And is now sitting off of the main wagons. If this isn't scummy I don't know what is.
On March 28 2020 02:38 ShoCkeyy wrote: I'm going to vote Palmar just cause he's barely done anything while just constantly trying to push me for whatever reasons. While my HF scum radar is alive and well, HF at least has been active, and every game I play we tend to always vote out the most active player who flips town, such as GB.
I'm am shocked by your response. You assume that GB is town because activity?
Nah I assume GB is town because him and I have always gone at each others throat in every game we play together and we always flip town. I'm just not even going to try this first D1.
AND YOU ARE GOING TO LET GO THIS ONE TIME THAT HE IS ACTUALLY MAFIA!!!!?!??!
Do you think it is possible to have rolechecks on him though it is day 1?
Are you trying to save yourself cause you afraid he is mafia?
I know it's not possible on D1. D1 is all about trying to vote out the most scummiest. GB hasn't been to scummiest to me. It's always been between Palmar or Hf. If you were reading the thread, you'd know that
On March 28 2020 02:46 Rels wrote: Chez are you in contact with rayn? Can you paste what he thinks?
The sunshine in my mind supports me. He was in complete agreement with my thoughts on the teddy. For we both had come to the same conclusion before hearing one another.
Please, let me rule this day. Let's raise the teddy up!
On March 28 2020 02:38 ShoCkeyy wrote: I'm going to vote Palmar just cause he's barely done anything while just constantly trying to push me for whatever reasons. While my HF scum radar is alive and well, HF at least has been active, and every game I play we tend to always vote out the most active player who flips town, such as GB.
I'm am shocked by your response. You assume that GB is town because activity?
Nah I assume GB is town because him and I have always gone at each others throat in every game we play together and we always flip town. I'm just not even going to try this first D1.
AND YOU ARE GOING TO LET GO THIS ONE TIME THAT HE IS ACTUALLY MAFIA!!!!?!??!
Do you think it is possible to have rolechecks on him though it is day 1?
Are you trying to save yourself cause you afraid he is mafia?
I know it's not possible on D1. D1 is all about trying to vote out the most scummiest. GB hasn't been to scummiest to me. It's always been between Palmar or Hf. If you were reading the thread, you'd know that
SHOCKING!
You have eyes that don't see the color emitting out of the bright aura around the teddy. It is too bright for you that it makes you blind?
Trfel I'm very sorry if you're town. Because I'm going to say another thing that I find scummy about you, and I don't want you to feel bad if you're town. I know I could be bias confirming ...
The way you're talking about your scumreads is so sure, when I thought you were a very doubtful person. So that's something that makes me think you're scum too.
Furthermore, there ABSOLUTELY IS truth to the Palmar Day 1 thing. And the fact that he has refused to acknowledge it practically makes him mafia. Maybe the meta isn't completely accurate, especially if no one here has heard of it, but at least the perception of this meta has definitely existed.
On May 12 2015 22:21 batsnacks wrote: ##vote Sandroba
I found probable mafia. Unfortunately I can't explain it without claiming. It's weird though because sandroba did nothing last game as mafia and now he's talking a lot.
so are you like 3p lyncher and you win if sandro dies or what
On May 12 2015 22:32 Palmar wrote: There is not nearly enough emotions in the thread about GB pardoning BM. Why aren't yall people who think BM is mafia absolutely frothing right now?
On May 12 2015 23:09 Palmar wrote: you're right that was a bit dick-ish, sorry LS
But the point stands. Sandroba not posting as mafia in one game does not mean he cannot post in another, and because of the filter limitations it's not exactly hard to post 3 pages of stuff in one game.
Same with RoL. He's lazy and shit as either alignment. But he did jump a dumb remark from me (apparently a lot of people here are literally sheldon).
Like maybe I'm just wrong and bad about sandroba, projecting my own personality on him too much but he's now done two things this game where I just think "If I was towndroba in this situation I'd have reacted completely differently". Aside from my initial point about how him saying he'd keep an eye on marv was basically a pointless sentence that doesn't fit in (If he doesn't say that, can we then assume he's not keeping an eye on marv? Isn't the default position in all mafia games to always keep an eye on everyone?), there is more too.
1). Sandroba's reaction to me calling him scum.
On May 11 2015 23:30 sandroba wrote:
On May 11 2015 23:24 Palmar wrote: Every time I say something really dumb the thread dies.
fixed it for you.
I wouldn't mind killing jat either.
Dismissal. He doesn't defend against my point and he doesn't try to use it to pry into my own alignment. He just outright dismisses my stuff, only to come back later and say:
On May 12 2015 19:55 sandroba wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:49 Palmar wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:49 sandroba wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:47 Palmar wrote: I don't really think BM is mafia but I haven't read too much up on the game.
Any time frame we should expect the reading to start? I enjoy playing games with you, but not when I can't actually discuss important points with you and get your input.
You're mafia so why do you care?
If you believe so, I want you to tell me why that is. I can't tell if you are trolling/tunneling aimlessly or you actually believe what you are saying.
Which implies he doesn't know why I think he's mafia, when I had already explained it then.
Also
2). His reaction to the BM pardon.
Sandroba literally just made this case on BM:
On May 12 2015 19:34 sandroba wrote: I think we do need to lynch BM today. The bullshit level in his posts is a lot higher than anything I've seen from him. It is still possible that he is town and using a large quantity of drugs but that I cannot account for, and unless someone can confirm him town so he can be safely ignored we will need to deal with him at some point and I would prefer if it was today. One example of the BS he is pushing that I think points to him clearly lying on purpose and not being on drugs is this post:
On May 12 2015 16:22 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 11 2015 10:06 Trfel wrote: Hello.
I'll get to this game in a few hours at the latest. I am sorry for my absence today, I'll be better during the week than on weekends.
The purpose of this post is to ensure that I comply with the "one post every 24 hours" rule. Meanwhile, enjoy some music.
So Trfel makes excuses "ill be absent" "this post it so ensure that i comply with the one post every 24 hours rule" then he posts a video... cool. really beneficial before this all he had done was harass people
Then I nuke him for behaving like this, which didnt fit how he played last game as town
WITHIN AN HOUR of him "fulfilling his daily post on mothers day", he posts:
On May 11 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: You're kidding me.
You nuked me for low activity on a weekend, and Mothers' Day?
I really hope you are not town here, because you being town would really kill my motivation to play this game. I mean, if you're going to give the majority of your posts for the first 24 hours away, you really shouldn't be killing me for not playing in a 24 hour period.
And not only that, but he wants to misrepresent what happened He instead attacks me NOT for me nuking him, but wants to lie and come up with some bullshit excuse to basically omgus me
1) he tries to nuke me in return that doesnt work 2) he votes me 3) he then proceeded to ask me if i have any more nukes after unvoting 4) he finds out i have no more nukes 5) he votes me again
this guy isnt enjoyable to play with, and his behavior is self serving and scummy as fuck
He is clearly nit picking and ignoring parts of trfel post. trfel states that he is going to be back in a few hours to this game but BM does not bold that part and bolds parts that change the meaning of the post. Also he flat out lies about the time elapsed between the 2 posts, which was 4 hours, not one, in accordance to the part BM chose to overlook in his first post. Conclusion is I think he is doing it on purpose and is mafia for it. ##vote: BM
And his primary scumread gets pardoned.
This is fucking sandroba people. Not some random scrub who doesn't know jack shit about the game. Again, I may be projecting my own personality but I'd be so mad at this.
Think how I would've reacted if anyone would've pardoned GB in mini mafia mini thing or someone had pardoned WoS in noir 3. I was mad enough with people just not listening to me. But someone actively shutting me down? Fuck that.
I don't think sandroba cares, I think he didn't defend my case and instead chose to dismiss it and I think my initial point was very good.
On May 13 2015 02:12 Palmar wrote: I'm off guys for a while and I think I'm also out of posts.
I'm okay with my vote where it is. I don't think sandroba would dismiss my stuff as trolling if he was town. I'm waffling a bit because people keep telling me he's not mafia and marv seems to actually be willing to sort of go out on a limb to defend him which I'm not sure marv would do as a scumbuddy. But the points against him stand.
oh yeah in addition to sandro i'm still fine with JAT lynch but I'm too laz to write a case and I think Palmar's star power plus sandro acting weird should be on its own enough to get sandro lynched. i'll check back in a few hours, say my name in your post and i'll read it if your got questions for me
On May 13 2015 05:47 Blazinghand wrote: Eh, I get it, Vivax is being uncaring or whatever, and he actually is a really amazing player as town. I can't really give a good argument in his defense, but I still think the right move here is to follow Palmar, who has god tier D1 reads
Like in these 2, you're so sure that KSC is scum, and that Palmar is scum:
On March 28 2020 02:27 Trfel wrote: I'm so sick of getting killed Day 1 for nonsense, garbage reasons, it happened the last two games.
Yet again, no one has responded to the actual thoughts I've been sharing, people are picking on meaningless semantics.
And there's a ridiculously scummy person (KelsierSC) who definitely deserves to be killed but no one cares. He "redeemed himself" with a single post that contained actual thinking:
Not a huge amount to write about him that hasn't been said. I think agreeing with HF isn't scummy it's a lot of writing with quotes and everything. The part I don't like is how he throws on some additional fire that actually says nothing about my alignment. feels like this is added on so it doesn't look like a blatant sheep
These don't line up. I get that agreeing with someone's reads and reading them as town are different things, but in this case KelsierSC didn't like LightningStrike's logic or read results and never mentioned a positive thing. Just read the posts yourself, I still don't understand AT ALL how KelsierSC decided to townread LightningStrike there. There was nothing about the conversation that "felt ok."
I think his palmar case is ok but I don't recall Palmar being good on D1 but his point about it not being a weekend has merit and palmar's lack of direction is a fair comment. I do like his comment about palmar being an unlikely D1 lynch so vote me instead, that's a pretty town mindset.
Finally he made some non commital stuff about sentinel , scum lean but holding back.
I think trefl is good enough for a D1 pass.
I was never non-comittal about [UoN]Sentinel, I never said he was a scum lean. I never said I was holding back. I said I wanted to wait for more information and see how his play evolved, which made sense given the circumstance.
In this post KelsierSC even says that my two main pushes/scumreads, comprising the majority of my play this game, are both ok. Yet he still thinks I'm mafia. He's picking on semantics, making up reasons, and has absolutely NOT redeemed his earlier play.
On March 28 2020 02:31 Rels wrote: Trfel I read everything you wrote and I've responded to you:
On March 27 2020 12:43 Rels wrote: Trfel the more I read your Palmar case the more I think you're mafia. It's just too on the nose. You're very smart, but your reasonning is so focused on a surface level it doesn't match. Like this:
On March 27 2020 09:54 Trfel wrote: Palmar doesn't care about who gets lynched. From town perspective this makes no sense. To me it feels like he's just interested in surviving and is disinterested otherwise, or that KelsierSC is town and Palmar is trying to set up extra mislynches.
I don't see you believing this. It's too obvious - of course Palmar's play is disinterested, if you want to push him it's because you want to warn him of doing something or die or something like that. I have a hard time believing that you really think he slipped up and was too carefree in his posts ...
Rels, I don't really understand what you're saying here. You're saying I'm mafia because my case on Palmar is too simple? Like the reasoning is too obvious?
Why can't a simple reason make someone mafia? I've found it's so easy to overthink things while simple reads are often overlooked and tend to be right.
it's not that it's only simple, it's that it's simple and wrong. Palmar being carefree early in the game doesn't mean anything. But you made a big deal out of it. It doesn't match what I expect of you
I wouldn't use the word carefree, I'd just say he's not invested at all. Since when do we give players a free pass for doing absolutely nothing and not even wanting to see their scumreads lynched?
Note that Palmar even changed his play after I called him out on it! He went ahead and voted for ShoCkeyy, his top scum read, after all. And is now sitting off of the main wagons. If this isn't scummy I don't know what is.
On March 28 2020 02:46 Rels wrote: Chez are you in contact with rayn? Can you paste what he thinks?
The sunshine in my mind supports me. He was in complete agreement with my thoughts on the teddy. For we both had come to the same conclusion before hearing one another.
Please, let me rule this day. Let's raise the teddy up!
On March 28 2020 02:50 Rels wrote: Trfel I'm very sorry if you're town. Because I'm going to say another thing that I find scummy about you, and I don't want you to feel bad if you're town. I know I could be bias confirming ...
The way you're talking about your scumreads is so sure, when I thought you were a very doubtful person. So that's something that makes me think you're scum too.
Yeah, I used to be more like that, over the past few years things have changed. That's actually why rsoultin voted to kill me the past few games and I flipped town in both of them.
Furthermore, desperate times call for desperate measures. I've been scumread SO MUCH for uncertainty and waffling that I'm trying to adjust my play to include more certainty and stronger pushes.
But as to my post above, if it needs explanation:
In Assassination Mafia, Blazinghand (town) dropped his reads and sheeped Palmar on Day 1 due to his belief in Palmar's amazing Day 1 reads.
So there you go, there's the Palmar Day 1 meta I was talking about.
On March 28 2020 02:53 LightningStrike wrote: btw Trfel Palmar was scum in that game you just got that quote from just FYI.
Doesn't matter Palmar's alignment in that game, what matters is Blazinghand's alignment (town). It's the Blazinghand posts we're looking at. Proves the Palmar Day 1 meta thing.
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