EPTHowever it doesn't look like a Palmar wagon would have any support, making KelsierSC the best choice at the moment. I'll go vote for him in a moment.
I'll be around for a little if anyone wants to talk.
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Trfel
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However it doesn't look like a Palmar wagon would have any support, making KelsierSC the best choice at the moment. I'll go vote for him in a moment. I'll be around for a little if anyone wants to talk. | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
Day 1 of quarantine Votes KelsierSC: (5) Holyflare, Palmar, [UoN]Sentinel, Rels, Trfel [UoN]Sentinel: (1) Holyflare: (1) Trfel: (2) LightningStrike, GlowingBear GlowingBear: (1) Chezinu Rels: (0) KelsierSC is set to die with 5 votes Not Voting: ShoCkeyy The deadline for the day is Friday, Mar 27 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in VOTE THREAD HERE (CLICK ME) | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
Would like HF to reconsider openly, to make sure his isn't just a spite vote because someone dared to question his primadonna status. | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
On March 27 2020 09:54 Trfel wrote: Palmar While I like where Palmar has placed his vote (KelsierSC), I don't like the rest of his play at all. And that's the main thing that has me concerned currently. Palmar typically has strong Day 1 play. He's very good at finding mafia on Day 1, and I believe he has one of the best Day 1 push mafia percentages on the site. However, that isn't seen in this game at all. Palmar has been almost entirely absent, despite having no excuse and nothing else to do (yay coronavirus). And it's not even a weekend. Furthermore, in the little time Palmar has been here, his presence has been extremely lacking. He sheeped Holyflare to vote onto KelsierSC (by itself not a bad choice), however the rest of his posts lack reasoning entirely: But the incriminating part here is that Palmar has no direction. He doesn't care who gets lynched, he's not pushing his targets, he's content to do nothing. I could potentially understand if he (somehow) had four targets he felt were about equally scummy, but he even says he rates ShoCkeyy as definitely mafia (in contrast to the rest of his lynch pool). Palmar doesn't care about who gets lynched. From town perspective this makes no sense. To me it feels like he's just interested in surviving and is disinterested otherwise, or that KelsierSC is town and Palmar is trying to set up extra mislynches. But I don't know what to think, because I don't like KelsierSC either. I don't like unflipped association reads but while I do think they could be mafia together, it's probably less likely. So I'm a bit confused right now. Thoughts? Feels like you're reaching here. Palmar's nonchalantness is funny, and at most should be treated as null. When he starts to tryhard is usually when you got to be on your guard. On March 27 2020 11:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Ok time to be more serious HF's case on KSC is solid and I can't find any real counters to it and Kelsier's reaction has been a resounding "pls no bully". HF is definitely town and KSC is probably scum. I say probably only because he might reappear in the thread and defend himself. But scummy enough that I can put my real vote on him. The Trfel case was... bad. To me it looks more like grasping at straws and bad town rather than a scum play though. But: Granted I wasn't here and neither were half the players but the wishy-washiness of the last paragraph is suspicious. Is KSC + Palmar the scumteam? Neither of whom has shown up for a while? I have 5 reads and in order of towniness they're me > HF > ShoCkeyy > Trfel > KSC. The reason I don't want to mark Trfel as red just yet is because his case on Palmar does strike me as a town attempt and because there's a good chance one or two mafia are lurking. Why is HF 'definitely town', and why is Trfel's last line wishy-washy, in your own words? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On March 27 2020 09:26 Holyflare wrote: I don't mean it as disrespect. I take it as disrespectful. If someone takes the time to write out a case and outline points on why someone is mafia and then nobody responds to the post, breaks it down or analyses anything about it and then blindly calls people mafia what do you think the person that puts effort into these cases feels like? rofl | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
It's not shit, it's been agreed upon by three separate people that aren't me. Trfel, Rels and Palmar /QUOTE] To be clear, I haven't read a single word of your case. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On March 27 2020 19:03 Palmar wrote: To be clear, I haven't read a single word of your case. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On March 26 2020 17:20 KelsierSC wrote: Hf trying to take over the thread and railroad without letting anyone else have fun. Forgot why this forum died  I'll afk till one of us is gone Vote : holyflare I voted KSC almost exclusively for this post. It makes him a policy lynch because he's given himself an excuse not to participate. If someone doesn't want to participate, he's at best useless trash, and at worst scum that gets by on fake anger. It's day 1 so killing him for not playing the game is a solid choice. If you're town, KSC, HF being fucking wrong on everything on day 1 is par for the course. You just have to roll with the punches. On March 26 2020 20:00 Palmar wrote: So convince me you're town KelsierSC I'm basically a benevolent butterfly, not aggressive or bullying at all. Very easy to deal with. All around a nice chap. This isn't a joke post, even if I admit writing it like that. You don't have to convince holyflare, he's stubborn and somewhat useless of a scumhunter on day 1. Just convince the rest of us. My vote is staying on KSC for now, but I honestly don't think his filter is as bad as for example Shockeyy, or maybe sentinel. I just believe he has a reasonable chance of faking this (KSC is good mafia) and there is a good policy reason to lynch him. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
with regards to hf, his case on me isn't actually bad, it just feels like overkill trying to tear apart a very small filter. I was indeed questioning people's reads as part of my interactions, it's why LS seemed ok because though I didn't agree with his conclusion, the way he defended them felt like town. I''ll go deeper on the above 3 and post my thoughts. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
Not a huge amount to write about him that hasn't been said. I think agreeing with HF isn't scummy it's a lot of writing with quotes and everything. The part I don't like is how he throws on some additional fire that actually says nothing about my alignment. feels like this is added on so it doesn't look like a blatant sheep These don't line up. I get that agreeing with someone's reads and reading them as town are different things, but in this case KelsierSC didn't like LightningStrike's logic or read results and never mentioned a positive thing. Just read the posts yourself, I still don't understand AT ALL how KelsierSC decided to townread LightningStrike there. There was nothing about the conversation that "felt ok." I think his palmar case is ok but I don't recall Palmar being good on D1 but his point about it not being a weekend has merit and palmar's lack of direction is a fair comment. I do like his comment about palmar being an unlikely D1 lynch so vote me instead, that's a pretty town mindset. Finally he made some non commital stuff about sentinel , scum lean but holding back. I think trefl is good enough for a D1 pass. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
Firstly the entrance to the game wasn't weak , I never understand self votes but it seems pretty NAI. Since he got serious though he has put an easy vote on me because of the case HF made, it's not a difficult move to make though and there hasn't been anything since then, just a read on shockey. no worse than me but pretty low effort and i'd be ok lynching him, if he's mafia that clears me as town and if he is town then hf can scream "TMI KELSIER KNEW HE WAS TOWN" and I can get out of the game. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
i'll have a look at Rels last and then cast a vote. hf could be mafia but I won't make anyway headway with that right now after I AFK'd , just looks like OMGUS | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
Vote: [UoN]Sentinel FWIW I hate how Chez gets a free pass every day 1 by acting like a dr seuss wannabe. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
How do you feel about this? | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On March 27 2020 22:07 Palmar wrote: I think we should lynch shockeyy over sentinel KSC? How do you feel about this? I liked what I read from shockeyy , so not for it. Why would you want to? | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On March 27 2020 11:01 Trfel wrote: GlowingBear and everyone else, care to respond to the actual points I've raised instead of meaningless nonsense? Getting kinda sick of this. Yes, I'm confused because one of my main scumreads is voting for the other one. I'm not confident enough in my reads to vote, given the circumstance. If you have any actual help or comments on my reads to help sort this out, I would really appreciate it. Otherwise, BUGGER OFF. Regarding your case on Palmar (had to check meta this morning): He had a lazyish Day 1 before as town as shown in Mafia For Busy People and Mafia Mafia Mafia (his filters if you want them: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/534114-mafia-for-busy-people?user=Palmar https://tl.net/forum/mafia/528650-mafia-mafia-mafia-mafia?user=Palmar ) Now regarding no direction: He had 4 scum reads with a stronger one on Shockeyy by that point when you posted your case. As for your play: Even if one of your scumreads voted one of your other scumreads why not vote for the one who you think is scummier? That is why I think you're mafia. With that being said Palmar does move up for me as closer to town now with that meta research I done this morning. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On March 27 2020 13:40 Holyflare wrote: I didn't say it did necessarily but why even have hesitance? It's not like your vote can't move once you have placed it and an added vote count creates pressure to the intended person you are voting, otherwise what's the pressure at all? If he agrees with my case, had further points to add to it about Kelsier's stance on LS then it's kind of strange suddenly to NOT be certain about where to place your vote and to be suddenly "conflicted" that Palmar, his other new scum read, is also voting Kelsier? It's just a line of text in a vote thread, what's the big deal about not being sure? It creates pressure and shows your INTENTION throughout the game to give players more information about where your head was at at any given time. +1 this post. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On March 27 2020 22:39 KelsierSC wrote: I liked what I read from shockeyy , so not for it. Why would you want to? He got mad when I called him mafia and felt it was random, yet until that point in the game he had done nothing except vote for Blazinhand? Feels oversensitive. His first two posts in the game were both excuses even when bunch of people weren't even in the thread. He was telling us how he was totally not just afk, just doing something else. He made some weird association between me and holyflare. He has done very, very minimal amount of work for town. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On March 27 2020 22:40 LightningStrike wrote: Barely awake was to tired to post last night Regarding your case on Palmar (had to check meta this morning): He had a lazyish Day 1 before as town as shown in Mafia For Busy People and Mafia Mafia Mafia (his filters if you want them: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/534114-mafia-for-busy-people?user=Palmar https://tl.net/forum/mafia/528650-mafia-mafia-mafia-mafia?user=Palmar ) Now regarding no direction: He had 4 scum reads with a stronger one on Shockeyy by that point when you posted your case. As for your play: Even if one of your scumreads voted one of your other scumreads why not vote for the one who you think is scummier? That is why I think you're mafia. With that being said Palmar does move up for me as closer to town now with that meta research I done this morning. Could you not please? | ||
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