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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 04 2019 13:00 GMT
#1058
Okay i understand everything in your post aside from the "Grack's post was good" part. Because he shat on all over my ES read. I might make a mistake, like take something, misread it, and tunnel it into eternity (which isn't really what i did here) but he shat on ALL my points on ES, like literally the whole read.

Why doesn't Grack think you're mafia for your read too, because your read is like 85% the same than mine?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 04 2019 13:01 GMT
#1059
On July 04 2019 21:59 Eversince wrote:
Converstion came from no where because HF wanted a wagon people would be happy with.
I already said what I felt on Conv, and I'm not mafia so I 1)lynched into my scum reads 2)saved t!ES.

shut up already HF had NOTHING to do with lynching Conversion.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 04 2019 13:13 GMT
#1065
I am trying to weigh where your vote should be (or go) on how you reacted to things at that time and how i think you SHOULD react as town in my mind. It is not 100% clear to me where your vote should go. Can you point out me the first post when you got home or somewhere where you had actual time to be properly involved with the game last night?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 04 2019 13:20 GMT
#1071
On July 04 2019 22:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Rayn what are your thoughts on trfel?

I think he did his town thing on the post on HF.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 04 2019 13:21 GMT
#1073
On July 04 2019 22:20 Grackaroni wrote:
It's not an easy game to solve because a lot of the players (ES, Pandain, Eywa) are reads that I have that are pure tone reads.

I think I could definitely be wrong about my Eywa read, and maybe Eversince but that would impress me.

But you PoE'd me and Conversion, formerly your top ttown reads as mafia?!?!?!?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 04 2019 13:21 GMT
#1075
Like seriously Grack?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 04 2019 13:25 GMT
#1080
On July 04 2019 22:21 Jockmcplop wrote:
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On July 04 2019 22:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 04 2019 22:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Rayn what are your thoughts on trfel?

I think he did his town thing on the post on HF.


Cool, thanks I'll go check it out and see if I can learn something

+ Show Spoiler +
It's the thing where he makes a really good post in a townie way (i mean he can be right or wrong but puts a shitton of thought into it -- corresponding to the game state at the time, like obviously earlier posts are not "huge effort" but i hope you get what i mean) and then calls himself bad and wrong. Now after this game this is never going to hold so it's not anymore a town!Trfel thing.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 04 2019 13:26 GMT
#1081
On July 04 2019 22:25 Grackaroni wrote:
your presence was way lower than people like ES/Pandain throughout the rest of the phase.

what the fuck?!?!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 04 2019 13:30 GMT
#1086
On July 04 2019 22:26 Grackaroni wrote:
In your case if my tone read on ES ends up being bad then I may regret it, but if not then I have a very good reason to suspect you.

So your scumread on me is based on that ES is town and i should know better?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 04 2019 13:33 GMT
#1091
On July 04 2019 22:31 Grackaroni wrote:
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On July 04 2019 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 04 2019 22:25 Grackaroni wrote:
your presence was way lower than people like ES/Pandain throughout the rest of the phase.

what the fuck?!?!

I looked back through the pages and I stand by that.

I see you posting about the ES points, which I said I didn't like, you briefly say that Pandain is mafia and then you go back to posting about the same ES points. I think that's less than what you usually do where you tend to cycle through a few different suspicions.

Okay let's take an example. Last game D1, what did i do that's "more than this game"?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 04 2019 13:35 GMT
#1095
On July 04 2019 22:33 Grackaroni wrote:
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On July 04 2019 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 04 2019 22:26 Grackaroni wrote:
In your case if my tone read on ES ends up being bad then I may regret it, but if not then I have a very good reason to suspect you.

So your scumread on me is based on that ES is town and i should know better?

Yes. You had a confident read on her in the last game and gave a town read on her when I had a lot of doubts, in this game I have a stronger town read on her from the feel of her filter and you are nitpicking on thing she are saying that I don't think make sense from either alignment to try to lynch her.

Okay so, i already said i understand the HF thing and i said it's reasonable you scumread me for it.
Aside from that why arent you scumreading HF (or if you are now, why weren't you clearly expressing that during EoD1) because HF's points on why ES is mafia are pretty much the same than mine other than that one thing?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 04 2019 13:49 GMT
#1104
On July 04 2019 22:39 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn are you scum reading es still?

yes
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 04 2019 13:50 GMT
#1105
On July 04 2019 22:42 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn what exactly are your reads actually?

ES + Grackaroni mafia pretty much.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 04 2019 13:59 GMT
#1109
On July 04 2019 22:40 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2019 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 04 2019 22:33 Grackaroni wrote:
On July 04 2019 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 04 2019 22:26 Grackaroni wrote:
In your case if my tone read on ES ends up being bad then I may regret it, but if not then I have a very good reason to suspect you.

So your scumread on me is based on that ES is town and i should know better?

Yes. You had a confident read on her in the last game and gave a town read on her when I had a lot of doubts, in this game I have a stronger town read on her from the feel of her filter and you are nitpicking on thing she are saying that I don't think make sense from either alignment to try to lynch her.

Okay so, i already said i understand the HF thing and i said it's reasonable you scumread me for it.
Aside from that why arent you scumreading HF (or if you are now, why weren't you clearly expressing that during EoD1) because HF's points on why ES is mafia are pretty much the same than mine other than that one thing?

Because HF misreads people all the time as town and you read ES better than me in the last game and told me not to vote her.

I glanced back at your filter in the last game. You made posts about both Shapelog/Eywa being mafia and you commented on all of the players narrowing down your mafia pool to 4 people. I don't recall you ruling many people out in this game, but I can check.

I don't think my meta on ES has nothing to do with my read on her here. Last game was not meta. Last game was her willing to solve the game and willing to find mafia. I guess i could have been saying "ES is not willing to solve the game here" also, but instead i chose to point out "hard-evidence" aka the read on you and the HF stuff. I think you asked me about her meta at some point yesterday, no? I don't think the style someone posts is alignment indicative (unless you're terrible at this game as one alignment). It might be a starting point but it's nothing definitive.

I have ruled out jock, i have ruled out eywa so far (granted, later), i had ruled out conv, i HAD ruled out you until i thought you started posting shit. Who else should town!rayn rule out? HF who is a sneaky bitch as mafia? Pandain who is defending my top scumread and well pretty much nothing else until late? Trfel who i did keep commenting on (but i didn't think he is the best lynch on D1 when i kinda scumread him)? ES who is my top scumread?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 04 2019 14:41 GMT
#1134
On July 04 2019 23:04 Eversince wrote:
you're being so dense it's going to make me cry!

how am i being dense? i asked you a legit question(s) and you never answered. i summed up the things you are scumread for and you didn't do jack shit to clear things up (assuming you are town). I even asked you for once to read carefully and answer the points on you, you didn't do jack shit. What am i supposed to think? That you are town because you call yourself town?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 04 2019 14:42 GMT
#1135
On July 04 2019 13:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2019 13:32 Eversince wrote:
On July 04 2019 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
On July 04 2019 03:28 Eversince wrote:
On July 04 2019 03:24 Holyflare wrote:
On July 04 2019 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2019 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
On July 03 2019 23:19 Trfel wrote:
On July 03 2019 01:09 Eversince wrote:
And I've played with HF a few times over the years. He's stupid good mafia player. If he's town he'll figure things out! Go look at his massive list of games to look. Like he can be wrong but mafia almost always shoot into the vets on this site (HF/Rayn/Marv etc..etc.)
@Raynpelikoneet, is the bolded the thing you are using to scumread Eversince?

Because to me, Eversince is saying here that Holyflare is good at mafia as a game, not as an alignment.


She also clarified that she meant I'm good at mafia rather than the mafia alignment.

I know she did but do you believe that's the truth? I don't.


Yeah because why would she say I'm good as mafia and simultaneously say I'm afk as mafia? She wouldn't.

My points were about something completely different though and I don't think they're as awful as pandain and jock make them out to be.


Summarize for me. because I thought your points against me where crap.


This literally happened.

I called your meta read on me crap and voted on you.

You backtracked and said, yeah, you got it wrong.

You said I was correct to not like you because of it.

I said many other points after this.

You enter the thread and say "summarise for me because I thought your points against me were crap".

You then just say my points are the meta read against you and that's it but you already said those were fine. So, not only did you not know why I was actually scum reading you at that point but on top of that you've changed your point of view on the meta read points too!

Now you're coming back into the thread saying you don't know if I'm scum or not because the points against you are, yet again, crap but you never ever address them AGAIN. You tell me to just read your filter because it's all there but guess what, that's exactly what you're going to have to do to my filter now because it's all in there for you to read and comment on.

Solve the game, prove me wrong and that you're town. Don't just needlessly pander to people. I am not lynching eywa and don't think I ever will and don't really think they're mafia so you're barking up the wrong tree here. Who else is mafia?


Rayn please..

Then I try to talk with HF to see if m!HF is just pushing off on easy ES lynch. I like his responses though so I don't think he's mafia for it.

EBWOP one of these days I'm get this right!

In simple words, HF is saying you agreed with his initial read. Which is what you did. Now youre saying hf might be mafia because his points were crap. By your own definition its impossible you think that unless you providr some new evidence for your change of mind, which you havent.

Me and hf both have said you had a strong town read on grack based on things X just to say later that grack could do things X as either alignment. One of those things has to be a lie because nowhere in your filter you provide anything that i see should be changing your mind.

Idc about what i said about your comment on hf. Noone is going to get what i am saying or why i think it comes ftom mafia!ES perspective so whatever. Noone got why i scumread shapelog last game. So i cba with that, theres more evidence anyways.

I have yet to check what eywas point on you is reharding conversion, but it most likely will make sense since hf agrees it makes sense and hf as either alignment doesnt agrer with stuff that dont make sense.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 04 2019 15:16 GMT
#1136
well is anyone here?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 04 2019 15:56 GMT
#1139
On July 04 2019 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Me and hf both have said you had a strong town read on grack based on things X just to say later that grack could do things X as either alignment. One of those things has to be a lie because nowhere in your filter you provide anything that i see should be changing your mind.
I have REPEATELY said I think Gracks play at that point was more NAI so we lynch better targets.

But that doesn't correspond with your filter. You do:
Grack is town because mia grack is town and mafia grack does shit.
Grack is town because meta
Grack is town because meta
Grack is town because meta
Grack is town because meta
Grack is town because meta
Grack is town because meta
[much much later]
Grack can be mia either as town or mafia!!

it's an exaggerated example but that's what you said.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 04 2019 16:00 GMT
#1140
If you want to fight me on this please do try.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 04 2019 16:07 GMT
#1143
On July 05 2019 01:02 Eversince wrote:
Like get it.

I'm not saying Grack is town. I'm saying both m!/t!Grack both play that way! I gave HF the same reasons and now he's shown he can play. HF at least comes in and tries to change my mind when I engage.

This is not a hard process!!

yes that's what you've been saying for a while, but:
On July 02 2019 13:44 Eversince wrote:
Grack's just a special one. He's got a funny personal attitude. I'm not wanting to lynch him today. He'll pick up and engage like he did last game or then we can lynch. But he's not trying to move us anywhere. Which is trash town play. But m!Grack wants to lead town to do stupid things.

I question you on this and you say:
On July 02 2019 16:12 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 16:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 02 2019 15:39 Eversince wrote:
On July 02 2019 15:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 02 2019 13:44 Eversince wrote:
But m!Grack wants to lead town to do stupid things.

Can you give some examples of this that happened lately?


Actually no. I was reference a point that anyone mafia in that position would do that. I could go filter Gracks past games but that seems real petty!

If you did filter them you'd find that last game grack bussed his teammate to death d1 and another one on n2. Which is why i was wondering where you got that sentiment. I dont really understand whhat yourw saying here and how that relates to whatever grack has or hasnt done this game?


I'm going off memory (not reliable). Any mafia would want to try to change thread sentiment. Grack did nothing.. Even on your example.. if he bussed his whole team he still did something. Was my point. t!Grack doesn't care m!Grack does something (if that's true he just killed his whole team)! What game is it though? I'll filter him to try to see.

???????
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