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raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 04 2019 04:00 GMT

#906

On July 04 2019 12:06 Eversince wrote:
Ugh you know HF, you make so many valid point I'm not even fighting it now. I think it's fishy as hell you pushing me so hard for a wrong a meta read.

Noone is pushing you for wrong meta read. If youre town somehow read the posts with thought. For once think for a moment befote you post?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 04 2019 04:55 GMT

#909

On July 04 2019 13:32 Eversince wrote:

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On July 04 2019 07:52 Holyflare wrote:

On July 04 2019 03:28 Eversince wrote:

On July 04 2019 03:24 Holyflare wrote:

On July 04 2019 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On July 03 2019 23:32 Holyflare wrote:

On July 03 2019 23:19 Trfel wrote:

On July 03 2019 01:09 Eversince wrote:
And I've played with HF a few times over the years. He's stupid good mafia player. If he's town he'll figure things out! Go look at his massive list of games to look. Like he can be wrong but mafia almost always shoot into the vets on this site (HF/Rayn/Marv etc..etc.)

@Raynpelikoneet, is the bolded the thing you are using to scumread Eversince?

Because to me, Eversince is saying here that Holyflare is good at mafia as a game, not as an alignment.

She also clarified that she meant I'm good at mafia rather than the mafia alignment.

I know she did but do you believe that's the truth? I don't.

Yeah because why would she say I'm good as mafia and simultaneously say I'm afk as mafia? She wouldn't.

My points were about something completely different though and I don't think they're as awful as pandain and jock make them out to be.

Summarize for me. because I thought your points against me where crap.

This literally happened.

I called your meta read on me crap and voted on you.

You backtracked and said, yeah, you got it wrong.

You said I was correct to not like you because of it.

I said many other points after this.

You enter the thread and say "summarise for me because I thought your points against me were crap".

You then just say my points are the meta read against you and that's it but you already said those were fine. So, not only did you not know why I was actually scum reading you at that point but on top of that you've changed your point of view on the meta read points too!

Now you're coming back into the thread saying you don't know if I'm scum or not because the points against you are, yet again, crap but you never ever address them AGAIN. You tell me to just read your filter because it's all there but guess what, that's exactly what you're going to have to do to my filter now because it's all in there for you to read and comment on.

Solve the game, prove me wrong and that you're town. Don't just needlessly pander to people. I am not lynching eywa and don't think I ever will and don't really think they're mafia so you're barking up the wrong tree here. Who else is mafia?

Rayn please..

Then I try to talk with HF to see if m!HF is just pushing off on easy ES lynch. I like his responses though so I don't think he's mafia for it.

EBWOP one of these days I'm get this right!

In simple words, HF is saying you agreed with his initial read. Which is what you did. Now youre saying hf might be mafia because his points were crap. By your own definition its impossible you think that unless you providr some new evidence for your change of mind, which you havent.

Me and hf both have said you had a strong town read on grack based on things X just to say later that grack could do things X as either alignment. One of those things has to be a lie because nowhere in your filter you provide anything that i see should be changing your mind.

Idc about what i said about your comment on hf. Noone is going to get what i am saying or why i think it comes ftom mafia!ES perspective so whatever. Noone got why i scumread shapelog last game. So i cba with that, theres more evidence anyways.

I have yet to check what eywas point on you is reharding conversion, but it most likely will make sense since hf agrees it makes sense and hf as either alignment doesnt agrer with stuff that dont make sense.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 04 2019 04:56 GMT

#910

In first paragraph i am trying to say you can think hf read is wrong but you shoyld simply have no reason atm to think its TRASH.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 04 2019 05:11 GMT

#913

I am going to expand on Grackaroni when i get off work but rn i think he's the other mafia.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 04 2019 08:06 GMT

#934

Why didnt you vote for grack though at the time in case you thought hes better lynch than ES?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 04 2019 08:12 GMT

#943

I am pretty sure ES doesnt make afk excuses based purely on her filter size.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 04 2019 08:26 GMT

#957

On July 04 2019 17:19 Holyflare wrote:

Es returns and says bad things, misconstrues points, says lies. My vote is fine where it is.

Note to self to check if this holds water. I am not really gan of the read change into read change if all es posted during the time was "afk excuse".

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 04 2019 08:31 GMT

#963

Pandain youre misrepping what holyflare said he did right now. Thats not even what he says.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 04 2019 08:48 GMT

#973

On July 04 2019 17:40 Holyflare wrote:
You are misrepresenting things entirely. You're picking and choosing what I say and ignoring the perfectly valid reasons for why I did them just to say "lol because of an afk excuse over grack!" which is not what I did in the slightest.

Yes. Tjst's true Pandain. You take some post(s), when hf says why he did it you dont try to weigh the truth value of his explanayion, instead you make your own oversimplified one and say hf is lying.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 04 2019 08:52 GMT

#978

On July 04 2019 17:49 Pandain wrote:
I only brought in Grack to show the contrast.

You were thinking about voting Grack.

Here are the only two meaningful things that changed:
Grack: I was lazy so I didn't post.
ES: I might be AFK this upcoming hour.

Based only on these two statements, you reversed your read and went back to ES.

That's true and this bothers me aswell. I cant go more into detail before i am home, but your final conclusion was "hf is scum for this" regardless of if hf's explanation makes sense (or should make sense) or not.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 04 2019 08:59 GMT

#982

Did ES ever post "afk excuses" before this game and if she did, why didnt you care about it enough to add it to your case earlier HF?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 04 2019 09:02 GMT

#985

On July 04 2019 18:01 Holyflare wrote:

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I have literally no idea, it's just something I see skimming through the thread. You're conflating the reasoning anyway! I just think it's a bad reentry post to make when there are multiple points against you and you're the leading wagon.

But didnt you say shes been doing that continuously?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 04 2019 09:03 GMT

#987

On July 04 2019 17:10 Holyflare wrote:

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It was after this post which was essentially an afk excuse when under pressure. Keep seeing them every time I bring up a case or valid points on her.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 04 2019 09:05 GMT

#991

Maybe i worded poorly. Do you remember es posting "afk excuses" vefore the es/grack thing in this game and if she did, why wasnt that in your case since you think its scummy?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 04 2019 09:07 GMT

#995

I know what youre saying. I get it. I am just trying to figure out if i should believe it or not.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 04 2019 09:08 GMT

#997

Well coffee break is over. I will go over this kn more detail when i get off work.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 04 2019 09:16 GMT

#1000

On July 04 2019 18:10 Holyflare wrote:

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Please don't it's a massive waste of time. Es is mafia and I'm going to get shot. The odds of that just ever decrease the more this nonsense goes on. Why can't you guys just wait till after the night to post stuff about me? Really stupid.

Because if i get shot instead i fear people will do something stupid.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 04 2019 12:37 GMT

#1043

So i am going to start with this post:

On July 04 2019 01:54 Holyflare wrote:
If I had to choose between Grack or ES for a lynch I'd probably choose grack tbh. His filter is void of literally aby content. People are town, he guesses I could maybe be mafia. Es is town because of bathtub? Drunk posting that doesn't even look drunk?

Dumb and probably mafia.

Correct me if i am wrong but i think this post clearly says HF thinks at that time Grack is better lynch than Eversince is. I asked him why didn't he change his vote to Grack at the time if he thought that was the case. HF said he were in a train or something and sporadic activity, couldn't post etc. I believe that because i do the same when i am playing on phone, i make short posts, never quote and deal with the proper follow up later. There is nothing scummy in that in itself. Here is the post HF made where he decided to keep your vote on ES.

On July 04 2019 03:11 Holyflare wrote:
I think I'll leave my vote where it is in the meanwhile...

This is what happened meanwhile regarding HF/ES/Grack:
- On page 38 HF argues with Grack and at this point still clearly wants to lynch Grack
- ES makes the "fake afk post"

Holyflare then explains this with;

On July 04 2019 17:08 Holyflare wrote:

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I am almost 100% certain eversince returned and said something I hated and I said the words "I think I'm fine leaving my vote where it is".

On July 04 2019 17:10 Holyflare wrote:

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It was after this post which was essentially an afk excuse when under pressure. Keep seeing them every time I bring up a case or valid points on her.

On July 04 2019 17:19 Holyflare wrote:
[...]
Grack looked shit from memory (100% of my play is just skimming in a minute at work on phone and writing posts every so often) so I read his filter. It looked terrible.

Would much rather lynch a guy that looks terrible over someone that was talking and said a lot of words (es).

Es returns and says bad things, misconstrues points, says lies. My vote is fine where it is. [...]

I am not sure how the bolded part adds up. Says bad things, okay you can believe that. Miscontrues points, where? she just said she'll catch up if she can. Says lies, mehhhhh... maybe you can call her saying maybe she is afk and then still post is a "lie" but i find that quite a stretch.. You yourself made a "timeline related post" about what you did but i am not really sure how the bolded part adds up in that exact moment?

On July 04 2019 17:22 Holyflare wrote:

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No she makes plenty of them and then responds to points which is imo worse because it looks like an excuse to leave at any point. It's unnecessary and a bad habit for mafia. Either way it reinvigorated my want to lynch her until she actually responded.

On July 04 2019 17:58 Holyflare wrote:

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That's not really true. Grack posted shit all and if ES had posted nothing (bear in mind I had a case on es outstanding!) I would have voted grack.
[...]

I also don't know how the red part and the green part go together? Like i know what you are saying here, i mean how you say your thought process went but i am not sure if it's a townie thought process. You say ES made a post, it would have been better had she posted nothing but when she came back posting but "didn't actually post anything" it's bad? Idk i just don't get it. If ES knows anything about thread sentiment at this time, why do you think she even comes back? Me, you and (kinda afk) eywa think she is mafia. You say you are willing to switch to Grack. Why do you think she as mafia comes back with a non-sensical post, and even lies about activity in that post???? I can see why you think it's scummy but i can't see why you think it's again more scummy than Grack (so you flip back to ES > Grack), based on the fact you start pressuring ES instead of Grack there, because during that same time Grack actually made a post that should sound godawful to you, this one:

On July 04 2019 03:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I think Rayn's push on ES is pretty suspicious actually. He's ignoring the general feel of her filter and her activity in favor of two nitpicked logical errors.

I really suspect that he had a strong feel based read on her in the last game, and even though the filter Trfel linked is four years old I do see a pretty noticeable difference between that game and this one.

rayn is ignoring the "general feel of ES' filter and her activity" -- this doesnt even say anything because it's just nonsense stuff, those things don't mean anything to anyone's alignment unless you're like Vivax. You should always never take Grack's "side" here since you MUST have the same conclusion i do based purely on that you think ES is scum.
rayn is instead focusing on two nitpicked logical errors -- i guess you can call the other logical error "nitpicked" in "scummy way" (since other people also have said it's a bad accusation). However the first thing, Grack meta read, should never ever fucking be a scummy thing on me for you, HF, because your case is mostly based on that!!!!!
"I do see a pretty noticeable difference between that game and this one" (and rayn is ignoring that) -- once again, this is something you also think alike i do, otherwise you wouldn't be voting for ES in the first place, right?
So actually you should imo call Grack's post really fucking suspicious, instead you say it's a good post?!?!?! What gives?

I find those things inconsistent. I am however going to say i am never going to vote for HF over ES in this game and if ES is mafia as i suspect, HF is never mafia. I would like you to clear those things up anyways. Preferrably during the night phase.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 04 2019 12:44 GMT

#1050

On July 04 2019 21:40 Eywa- wrote:
I mean... Stop playing this "Why would I do this" game. It's generally anti-town.

Yeah i fully agree with this.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 04 2019 12:56 GMT

#1053

Also HF, i would also want an aswer to this:

On July 04 2019 18:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you remember es posting "afk excuses" vefore the es/grack thing in this game and if she did, why wasnt that in your case since you think its scummy?

You said you don't remember. You however posted this:

On July 04 2019 17:26 Holyflare wrote:

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EVERY TIME there is a valid point or case an excuse comes out. It doesn't matter if she posts more after it, feeling the need to post it is scummy imo. Especially if you stay!

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If you think this is solely why I wanted to lynch Eversince and this is what you think made me solely keep my vote on her then you're either terrible or mafia. It's way better to keep pressure on someone that I have a case on and instill the fear of a lynch in them than vote grack who has done nothing.

Every time there is a valid point or a case[...] But you didn't even remember if she did that when you made your original case. I would instantly buy your explanation if that happened before in this game AND you had remembered it and explained it with that, but you didn't.

Also the lower part of the quote; I was looking for that post when i wrote my big post and couldn't find it for some reason. But doesn't this contradict solely the fact you even said you wanted to lynch Grack in the first place? Like idk why do you say that? Do you think Grack will fall and GRACK (lol you get it?

) under pressure if you just say you might want to lynch him? If you actually meant to pressure Grack as you say, i think your follow up on Grack isn't really townie as per my bullet point list.

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