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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 01 2019 21:15 GMT
#81
I just re-read the posts and you didn't make that strong a townread but I think my point still stands since you gave a lot of reasons to support it. I.e. it wasn't a throwaway read
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 01 2019 21:54 GMT
#82
On July 02 2019 05:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Eversince looks different but it's also 4 years old.

I don't really trust her yet, but it seemed like Rayn had a really confident read on her in the last game, so I'd be interested to hear his take.
So what would it take for you to trust my read on Eversince? Other than raynpelikoneet's agreement?

Pandain, thanks, that makes sense.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 01 2019 22:01 GMT
#83
I'm going to say re: Eversince

If she rolled mafia this game, she would be forced to post extremely active. If she tried to post infrequently and/or lurk, it would be such an obvious contrast to her town game that she would be lynched pretty quickly.

So she would have a very strong incentive to, at least in the beginning, maintain high levels of activity. So you can't really make a judgment just based on that yet.

If she's actually mafia, I doubt we will catch her based on activity levels.
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
July 01 2019 22:35 GMT
#84
feels good to roll VaNiLlA ToWnIe my fellow non robot mafia players, yes.
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
July 01 2019 22:38 GMT
#85
On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
I'm mafia

AMA


how does it feel to be a part of the scum that is ruining our little town?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 01 2019 22:38 GMT
#86
Posting frequency can be faked for sure, to me it's more the carefree nature of the posts that makes the read. It feels comfortable and fun, whereas in the mafia game, Eversince was all business and the posts felt very dry. That's the difference, call it a tone read if you want.
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
July 01 2019 22:38 GMT
#87
On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 03:16 Eversince wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
I'm mafia

AMA
Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago?
Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on

I think Eversince is town, discuss?


Why do you think I'm town?
Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread


I don’t like this post. ick
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 01 2019 22:43 GMT
#88
On July 02 2019 07:38 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:16 Eversince wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
I'm mafia

AMA
Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago?
Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on

I think Eversince is town, discuss?


Why do you think I'm town?
Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread


I don’t like this post. ick
Care to say why?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
July 01 2019 22:44 GMT
#89
On July 02 2019 07:43 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 07:38 Conversion wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:16 Eversince wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
I'm mafia

AMA
Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago?
Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on

I think Eversince is town, discuss?


Why do you think I'm town?
Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread


I don’t like this post. ick
Care to say why?

ICK.

(sorry)
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
July 01 2019 22:50 GMT
#90
On July 02 2019 07:43 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 07:38 Conversion wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:16 Eversince wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
I'm mafia

AMA
Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago?
Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on

I think Eversince is town, discuss?


Why do you think I'm town?
Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread


I don’t like this post. ick
Care to say why?


too feel good-y for my condensed ball of rage and hatred

also 4 year old meta seems like a reach to have a swing towards a read in any direction that early instead of something to pocket and observe for late

Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 01 2019 23:03 GMT
#91
On July 02 2019 07:38 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
I'm mafia

AMA


how does it feel to be a part of the scum that is ruining our little town?

I take consolation in the fact that someone has to do it
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 00:39 GMT
#92
Hi, i am amazing town vanilla.
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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 02 2019 00:46 GMT
#93
On July 02 2019 07:50 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 07:43 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 07:38 Conversion wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:16 Eversince wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:
On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
I'm mafia

AMA
Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago?
Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on

I think Eversince is town, discuss?


Why do you think I'm town?
Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread


I don’t like this post. ick
Care to say why?


too feel good-y for my condensed ball of rage and hatred

also 4 year old meta seems like a reach to have a swing towards a read in any direction that early instead of something to pocket and observe for late

I admit I don't really understand the first sentence, but the second sentence is a fair point I suppose. So what does that make you think about me?

Also, good to finally see a European with our Europe-friendly deadline xD
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 00:47 GMT
#94
On July 02 2019 03:35 Pandain wrote:
I have no thoughts on Eversince but I am giving Trfel an extremely strong townread. I think it's unlikely for mafia to give a strong townread so early in the game (literally the first page)

So why are you towreading Trfel again?

I don't have a read on Eversince, i don't think she has said much anything gameplay related (at least up until p4 end). Something feels wrong in Trfel's read. Why couldn't you make the same read last game? I am not saying Eversince has played differently than she did last game this early on but i don't understand how Trfel can make the read now but not last game?

Grack might be town.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 00:49 GMT
#95
wait wtf did i quote, that's not what i meant to quote:
On July 02 2019 03:42 Pandain wrote:
I'm not disagreeing with you that ES is relaxed, and if she keeps this up for a whole day that's a different story. I would just never make a townread this early based on that.

this is the post from pandain i meant to quote.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 00:55 GMT
#96
Hi conversion, seems like we share a lot of things and feelings. Are you me?
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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 02 2019 00:56 GMT
#97
On July 02 2019 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 03:35 Pandain wrote:
I have no thoughts on Eversince but I am giving Trfel an extremely strong townread. I think it's unlikely for mafia to give a strong townread so early in the game (literally the first page)

So why are you towreading Trfel again?

I don't have a read on Eversince, i don't think she has said much anything gameplay related (at least up until p4 end). Something feels wrong in Trfel's read. Why couldn't you make the same read last game? I am not saying Eversince has played differently than she did last game this early on but i don't understand how Trfel can make the read now but not last game?

Grack might be town.
I didn't make the same read last game because I wanted to see what Eversince's play was like as town and more recently (if she played End of the World Mafia, sorry, I forgot). Having a recent town game and an old mafia game to make a meta read on is much stronger than only having an old mafia game.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 01:02 GMT
#98
That's something i can possibly understand. My problem is pretty much the wording because as someone already said the mafia game is old and i don't think there is any reason why ES as mafia couldn't start like last game today. Like i mean the wording since for you also -- as you said, last game you wanted to see if she could play like that as mafia. Why is it not the case now?

Idk if my explanation is clear enoguh.
table for two on a tv tray
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 02 2019 01:37 GMT
#99
On July 02 2019 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's something i can possibly understand. My problem is pretty much the wording because as someone already said the mafia game is old and i don't think there is any reason why ES as mafia couldn't start like last game today. Like i mean the wording since for you also -- as you said, last game you wanted to see if she could play like that as mafia. Why is it not the case now?

Idk if my explanation is clear enoguh.
I'm not sure if I fully understand what you are getting at but I'll try...

Last game I noticed a difference in Eversince's play to her last mafia game, but I wasn't sure if the difference was caused by a change in alignment or the passage of time, so I didn't think much of it. Then it became clear she was town, leading me to believe that the change in alignment is the primary reason for the posting style difference mentioned previously. Yes, this is an assumption, but I think it's an okay assumption because other reasons also support the townread.

In this game, Eversince's play is like her town game last game and different from her mafia game. And moreso, the difference is in a way that is harder to replicate as mafia. I know for me and many others, posting as mafia is difficult, and as a result the posts feel rigid, forced, and dry. Posts tend to be a little longer, more focused and less carefree and spontaneous. This contrast is how I was able to townread Tumblewood early on in a previous game and that townread nearly managed to win the game.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 01:41 GMT
#100
I will quote the relevant parts.
On July 02 2019 10:37 Trfel wrote:
Last game I noticed a difference in Eversince's play to her last mafia game, but I wasn't sure if the difference was caused by a change in alignment or the passage of time, so I didn't think much of it. Then it became clear she was town, leading me to believe that the change in alignment is the primary reason for the posting style difference mentioned previously.

That's what i am getting at. I am not sure if i believe you can, or rather would make the red assumption given the green part, especially since you didn't make it at the start of last game.
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