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On July 03 2019 18:08 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 17:51 Pandain wrote:
I don't think ES is crazy/meta enough to do something like that. It's obvious she's been desperate to survive, if she was mafia she would jump at the opportunity to lynch someone she has expressed doubts about before.
@conf, HF, Rayn please comment on this. I don't agree with your conclusion. She's meekly soft defended grack all game and then sprinkled "hesitance" and done nothing with it. They could easily be mafia together, or she could know he's town. Both things point to a mafia es because grack looks absolutely shit and a free lynch for literally anyone to hop onto.
On July 04 2019 01:54 Holyflare wrote:
If I had to choose between Grack or ES for a lynch I'd probably choose grack tbh. His filter is void of literally aby content. People are town, he guesses I could maybe be mafia. Es is town because of bathtub? Drunk posting that doesn't even look drunk?
Dumb and probably mafia.
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On July 04 2019 02:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 02:34 Grackaroni wrote:On July 03 2019 18:08 Holyflare wrote:On July 03 2019 17:51 Pandain wrote:
I don't think ES is crazy/meta enough to do something like that. It's obvious she's been desperate to survive, if she was mafia she would jump at the opportunity to lynch someone she has expressed doubts about before.
@conf, HF, Rayn please comment on this. I don't agree with your conclusion. She's meekly soft defended grack all game and then sprinkled "hesitance" and done nothing with it. They could easily be mafia together, or she could know he's town. Both things point to a mafia es because grack looks absolutely shit and a free lynch for literally anyone to hop onto. On July 04 2019 01:54 Holyflare wrote:
If I had to choose between Grack or ES for a lynch I'd probably choose grack tbh. His filter is void of literally aby content. People are town, he guesses I could maybe be mafia. Es is town because of bathtub? Drunk posting that doesn't even look drunk?
Dumb and probably mafia. + Show Spoiler + Difference being I read your filter in between those posts. It's bad.
I just wanted to mess with you. Though your justification makes no sense because you already said I looked like shit and a free lynch in the fist place.
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I'm stealing this one for my defense.
On July 03 2019 20:47 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 20:44 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 03 2019 20:43 Holyflare wrote:
It's not a slip up it was a facetious point that I don't even know if I believe. Why shouldn't I lynch you from your play so far? I'm just lazy doesn't make me mafia.
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On July 03 2019 21:20 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 21:17 Eywa- wrote:On July 03 2019 21:12 Pandain wrote:On July 03 2019 21:08 Eywa- wrote:
Jockmcplop, have you abandoned your confidence approach from last game?
There was an early interaction between HF and Rayn that struck me as off, but I kind of came out of it thinking that Rayn was scum... Because they kind of amicably came to the same idea despite seemingly starting from different view points (this is when Rayn switches his vote off of ES, then back on.
I don't agree with Pandain, I think ES being willing to only lynch me shows a lack of understanding of what town players are seeing in the game right now and I'm a pretty safe resting spot right now. Why does mafia ES refuse to lynch a viable counterwagon on someone she has said she would be willing to lynch? If you can't explain this, you can't vote her. 1) Grack could be mafia 2) She could think I'm a more viable lynch 3) She's under a lot of pressure and people under pressure do a lot of crazy things they wouldn't do otherwise. 4) She's afraid of giving more associations, so she's locking in all of her reads (this actually is pretty well in line with her play since I joined the wagon) The issue here is, I don't think anything a player does under pressure or after a slip matters 1. Then vote Grack 2. Objectively not true. 3. The vote count was 3-4 Grack-ES. It's not a difficult choice to make as mafia to join the counterlynch. You can't cite pressure. 4. If ES gets lynched, we still know nothing on Grack regardless. What slip have you seen?
I don't think this is true. She spent so much time meta-reading me that she may think it would look badly for her to switch and is just waiting for the wagons to change.
I still don't particularly think she's mafia to begin with though.
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On July 04 2019 02:59 Holyflare wrote:
At least I post real content when I'm lazy!
All I've seen is Jock ripping into you. I don't remember what you've been posting.
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Rayn, what did you townread ES for in the last game?
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I think Rayn's push on ES is pretty suspicious actually. He's ignoring the general feel of her filter and her activity in favor of two nitpicked logical errors.
I really suspect that he had a strong feel based read on her in the last game, and even though the filter Trfel linked is four years old I do see a pretty noticeable difference between that game and this one.
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She seems much more comfortable here and spews out whatever she's thinking.
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On July 04 2019 01:37 Holyflare wrote:
I think Pandain and eywa are town for what it's worth. I wouldn't clear rayn because his logic doesn't really hold up but I don't want to get in a shit fight about it so I'll ignore it and see how it goes. I got the feeling jock was overzealous townie that thought he had something on me and that looked good but he's pushed it a smidge too far for my liking so I'm downgrading him.
Conversion/grack/es/rayn/trfl/jock
It's a big list but I really haven't given a shit about the game until now so I'll narrow it down when I'm home.
I think you're on the right track.
I have ES/Eywa/Pandain/Jock all written off as town.
I don't actually dislike you either. Lazy HF is more often town HF than Mafia HF and your reads aren't bad.
Lynch into Rayn/Trfel/Conversion.
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Rereading I actually completely misinterpreted the trfel post that bothered me.
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Yeah I was bad.
Trfel looks fine.
I'm up for burying Conversion though.
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On July 04 2019 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 03:54 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm up for burying Conversion though. Why is Conversion mafia?
His entrance looks uncomfortable to me.
Hiis first post that I originally liked was focusing on ES repeatedly making meta reads on me and saying she doesn't want to tunnel on Pandain, which are both weird things but not things that are more likely to come from mafia ES than town ES.
Then he has a big post bothering Pandain for having him as a null read while saying that he would lynch him, which wasn't a contradiction.
Then he says that ES isn't trying hard enough to lynch him and that she's only mentioned him 13 times.
Then there's more complaining about Pandain pushing him.
And then he came back for more complaining about ES pushing him.
Conversion is really good at getting town reads from making emotional posts, but I haven't really seen anything to make me think that he's trying to solve the game, and I have a pretty big circle of town reads already so I think he's a good vote.
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Sorry Eversince but I am selfish and nobody is considering other lynches.
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On July 04 2019 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 04:12 Grackaroni wrote:On July 04 2019 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 04 2019 03:54 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm up for burying Conversion though. Why is Conversion mafia? His entrance looks uncomfortable to me. Hiis first post that I originally liked was focusing on ES repeatedly making meta reads on me and saying she doesn't want to tunnel on Pandain, which are both weird things but not things that are more likely to come from mafia ES than town ES. Then he has a big post bothering Pandain for having him as a null read while saying that he would lynch him, which wasn't a contradiction. Then he says that ES isn't trying hard enough to lynch him and that she's only mentioned him 13 times. Then there's more complaining about Pandain pushing him. And then he came back for more complaining about ES pushing him. Conversion is really good at getting town reads from making emotional posts, but I haven't really seen anything to make me think that he's trying to solve the game, and I have a pretty big circle of town reads already so I think he's a good vote. The first two things i think are actually "reads". Other stuff (aside from the last sentence) is just what Conversion has posted. I mean you can't really say "conversion posted this and that, he's mafia", that's not really a read. My problem is the first two things (the read ones) were posted before you EVER mention Conversion in your filter, and youu only do it once, and you call him your strongest town read. So what gives? I could understand last sentence as PoE but since your read on him (based on your filter) was almost confirmed town i don't understand how he flips on your scum side of reads? I understand you can possibly change opinion ans hit when you read more but to me nothing in your filter rn indicates i should believe what you say here.
I liked that he made a long post and seemed to have some kind of a thought process because I remember watching him struggle to push through meta cases in his last mafia game but I haven't liked other posts he's been making since then and other people have got townier in the meantime. You also dropped down from the top town tier to the bottom. I just kept getting more town reads on people and had to re-evaluate a lot.
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On July 04 2019 04:21 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's amazing how i once again get scumread because someone else gives a shitty explanation for what they said earlier. no-fucking-one says "he's stupid good mafia player" if "he" just afks and dies as mafia, and when asked for a reference (they were already referring to) there isn't any. If you think someone is stupid good as town and ridiculously bad as mafia you say they are "stupid good town player / stupid good as town".
It's ridiculous how people buy every fucking bullshit someone says just because they make posts.... The only one scumreading you for this is Grack Everyone else just thinks its a mistake.
I don't know why?
How was Rayn able to make such a confident town read on Eversince in the last game if it wasn't a tone read? And if it was a tone read than why is he nitpicking on those two things over her filter as a whole?
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On July 04 2019 04:24 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 04:19 Grackaroni wrote:
Sorry Eversince but I am selfish and nobody is considering other lynches. It's ok. I hope you don't mind I do the same. I'm town so surviving is high on my list. I didn't want to lynch you yet though because I figured you'd play.
I expected as such. 
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On July 04 2019 04:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 04:27 Eversince wrote:On July 04 2019 04:25 Holyflare wrote:On July 04 2019 04:24 Eversince wrote:On July 04 2019 04:19 Grackaroni wrote:
Sorry Eversince but I am selfish and nobody is considering other lynches. It's ok. I hope you don't mind I do the same. I'm town so surviving is high on my list. I didn't want to lynch you yet though because I figured you'd play. THIS is my point exactly. WHY do you figure he'll just randomly play instead of being mafia?????????????? BUT THEN you say during the day "grack is being useless, maybe he's a good vote!"???????? Because he's FORCED to play as mafia. t!Grack doesn't care here and want to be useful so to AVOID this happening! Why so hard to understand? Then why did you say he's starting to be a good lynch for not playing???
HF Shennanny for JUSTICE.
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