• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 16:55
CET 22:55
KST 06:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down21ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier6Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League99
StarCraft 2
General
No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Evil Geniuses - shutting down Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book SC2 Power Rank: epic29 Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.17
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers [G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles Mutation # 548 Shining Bright
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Mathematicians needed to calc "Low Econ Epicness" Rollback Netcode in Brood War SCHNAIL now supports Remastered Ziemie's Starcraft 1 Prequel Campaign
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [IPSL] IPSL Winter 26-27 Ro24 is HERE! [$1250] International ShieldBattery League [ASL22] Grand Finals
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Deus Ex 3!? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Armies of Exigo - YesYes?
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8204 users

[M][N]MiniFeast 1.5 - Page 2

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 17 18 19 Next All
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 08:23 GMT
#178
Well jock is town.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 08:54 GMT
#187
My problem with pandain is that i have no idea how he makes some of his conclusions. Like i get how he gets there but i am not fan of the "certainty" of the conclusion. Like an exaggerated comparison would be if someone said "thos guy did this null thing and ot makea him town". Pretty much the same thing i scumread shapelog for last game. I will elaborate better when i am off work. At first glance hf's post on him sounded fine too.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 08:56 GMT
#188
On July 02 2019 17:27 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 17:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 02 2019 16:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 02 2019 15:39 Eversince wrote:
On July 02 2019 15:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 02 2019 13:44 Eversince wrote:
But m!Grack wants to lead town to do stupid things.

Can you give some examples of this that happened lately?


Actually no. I was reference a point that anyone mafia in that position would do that. I could go filter Gracks past games but that seems real petty!

If you did filter them you'd find that last game grack bussed his teammate to death d1 and another one on n2. Which is why i was wondering where you got that sentiment. I dont really understand whhat yourw saying here and how that relates to whatever grack has or hasnt done this game?




Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 16:12 Eversince wrote:
On July 02 2019 16:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 02 2019 15:39 Eversince wrote:
On July 02 2019 15:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 02 2019 13:44 Eversince wrote:
But m!Grack wants to lead town to do stupid things.

Can you give some examples of this that happened lately?


Actually no. I was reference a point that anyone mafia in that position would do that. I could go filter Gracks past games but that seems real petty!

If you did filter them you'd find that last game grack bussed his teammate to death d1 and another one on n2. Which is why i was wondering where you got that sentiment. I dont really understand whhat yourw saying here and how that relates to whatever grack has or hasnt done this game?


I'm going off memory (not reliable). Any mafia would want to try to change thread sentiment. Grack did nothing.. Even on your example.. if he bussed his whole team he still did something. Was my point. t!Grack doesn't care m!Grack does something (if that's true he just killed his whole team)! What game is it though? I'll filter him to try to see.


Why does grack necessarily want to change thread sentiment about 4hrs and a total of 1 townread in thread into the game? Why is it more scummy to want to do something than not do anything?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 08:57 GMT
#189
On July 02 2019 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My problem with pandain is that i have no idea how he makes some of his conclusions. Like i get how he gets there but i am not fan of the "certainty" of the conclusion. Like an exaggerated comparison would be if someone said "thos guy did this null thing and ot makea him town". Pretty much the same thing i scumread shapelog for last game. I will elaborate better when i am off work. At first glance hf's post on him sounded fine too.

Like based on what pandain said on trfel and es, why cannot they be mafia together?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 09:19 GMT
#192
Do you, ES, think that grack is self-aware of his meta to some extent?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 12:32 GMT
#207
So yeah, as i said i think pandain might be bs'ing on his read on trfel. Here's what pandain thinks:
- unlikely for mafia[!trfel] to give a strong townread so early in the game (literally the first page)

However Trfel's townread on ES is imo quite surface level, i mean "she played like this last game and that's also different from a mafia game 4 years ago". Why can't mafia!Trfel make that read? You have to talk something as mafia. I understand somehow the idea of Trfel not making that read in case ES is town and he is mafia because i don't see many reasons to make a "bad" read that early on. That i can see Pandain thinking. But the way Pandain goes on with the explanation is pretty weird because he never entertain the possibility of Trfel and ES being mafia together. It's weird because if that was the case it actually makes sense for Trfel to make the read. Trfel kind of hasn't said anything wrong in his read towards ES and if they are mafia together the worst thing that can happen is "i think i am right" vs "i dont think you believe that" match which isn't like hard proof of someone being mafia. Jock already pulled up the game where Trfel started the game quite alike with rsoultin (i am fully aware of the game -- i lead a lynch on Trfel that game, i dont think it makes Trfel mafia by meta but it clearly shows it definitely doesn't make Trfel town). Furthermore another weird thing here is that the way Pandain talks about his read on Trfel kinda feels like he already assumes ES is town (read his posts with this in mind if you don't believe me) but then he doesn't have a town read on ES. For example this comment:
I just think it's extremely early to give a townread based on meta/carefree posting.

I fail to see how anyone can post this at the time Pandain did unless they think ES is town. Like let's assume Pandain thinks ES is (or could be) mafia here, suddenly this post turns around and Pandain's conclusion should be that Trfel can easily be mafia since "double mafia perspective" it makes perfect sense, that's probably how you would townread your scumbuddy early on if you were to do that.

I also agree with what Jock + HF said on him, i don't have any problems with either of them.

I like most of the stuff conversion has said so far.

On Eversince, here is my point. This is the discussion we had:
ES: m!Grack wants to lead town to do stupid things.
rayn: Can you give some examples of this that happened lately?
ES: I was reference a point that anyone mafia in that position would do that.
rayn: how does that relate to whatever grack has or hasnt done this game??
ES answers same than before
rayn: why would grack need to do something as mafia at the time?
ES: Exactly!!
rayn: do you think grack is self-aware of his meta to some point?
ES: yes

So okay, Grack is self-aware of his meta, Grack doesn't post that much early on (aside from jokes and stuff) as town, Grack doesn't post here in this game when the thread is basically Trfel's townread on ES and nothing more. Only thing Grack does is question Trfel a bit (and pretty much a throwaway post on ES). Point is; there is ONE townread in the thread and nothing more. Why would Grackaroni do anything as mafia here in ES' mind? I don't understand the strength of the read based on what i got from ES' answers to me.

I have some stuff i think might make ES town aswell. Like when she was arguing with Pandain it felt like the mindset from her was like "fuck you your story doesn't add up and mine does", which is not what i would expect from (especially) newer mafia. I mean like if ES is mafia and Pandain is town (as i thought at the time it's impossible for them to be mafia together) ES would know Pandain is telling the truth and would choose her words on the matter more closely, or just back off. If they are both mafia why not just back off when Pandain gives a "reasonable answer"? Idk maybe it's possible they are both mafia since they have both backed off from their initial reads. I am also not a huge fan of ES not really saying anything about my alignment since last game she (at least in her mind) had an "easy time" reading me, and i don't think i have been posting so little this game she can't have a read on me.


I actually have a slight townread on grack. It's based on like.... umm how to say it... actually i am not going to say it yet since it's not strong, i want to see what he does when he comes back and noone would get anything off that read atm. HF can hold me accountable to explain it by the end of D1, it's pretty much based on how i read yamato (or did when he played).

I need to see more from Trfel. I haven't seen his town thing and i disliked the early read. As i said i don't know if the early read makes him mafia but i haven't really seen anything that he couldn't/wouldn't post as mafia so far.

Eywa is mia.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 12:41 GMT
#208
Maybe it's just Pandain and ES? Or Trfel? Or i am bad.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 12:45 GMT
#209
Or maybe Holyflare is mafia because he hasn't made me angry already over some nonsense.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 12:51 GMT
#210
before you say anything about this:
I have some stuff i think might make ES town aswell. Like when she was arguing with Pandain it felt like the mindset from her was like "fuck you your story doesn't add up and mine does", which is not what i would expect from (especially) newer mafia. I mean like if ES is mafia and Pandain is town (as i thought at the time it's impossible for them to be mafia together) ES would know Pandain is telling the truth and would choose her words on the matter more closely, or just back off. If they are both mafia why not just back off when Pandain gives a "reasonable answer"? Idk maybe it's possible they are both mafia since they have both backed off from their initial reads. I am also not a huge fan of ES not really saying anything about my alignment since last game she (at least in her mind) had an "easy time" reading me, and i don't think i have been posting so little this game she can't have a read on me.

i wrote the green part off my memory and ES filter up until when the "fight" between her and Pandain ended and then re-evaluated based on what happened after. Also that read thing on me i figured out at the end of her filter so i added it there because it bugs me. So yeah, this is really not "townie things" unlike on Kelsier last game..
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 12:59 GMT
#211
On July 02 2019 20:56 Conversion wrote:
in one way you could be a town trying to "drive the game" and getting people to play-- in another direction you're mafia trying to scatter focus away and onto random things and hoping that people will just refocus you on your "Conversion is mafia" thing that you're doing. I'm more inclined to believe the latter at this point considering I don't get strong town vibes from you.

can you elaborate more on this?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 14:07 GMT
#213
I agree with you mostly there. Well truth to be told i kinda had the same feeling about you when you were "active" early on and then your follow up took time. I mean i can relate to ES there somehow. What i am getting at is where are those "random things" she is in your opinion focusing on TO (or am i bad at english?), because i don't see random things in her "townreading everyone and wanting to lynch conversion" from your perspective?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 14:11 GMT
#214
Wait sorry misread one of your posts. My concern is not valid at all.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 14:17 GMT
#215
What's your take on anyone who is not Eversince Conv?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 14:20 GMT
#216
Looking more closely idk why ES wants to talk about her townread on Trfel over her scumread on Conversion with Holyflare.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 14:35 GMT
#217
Yeah conversion easily town this game.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 14:36 GMT
#220
On July 02 2019 23:35 Grackaroni wrote:
Full disclosure: I'm playing another game where I'm putting more effort and that's why I'm being a shitter here.

stop playing the other game unless you're mafia here. it's a shit game compred to this.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 14:37 GMT
#221
you may even get to lynch hf
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 14:44 GMT
#224
i think we are agreeing on the lynch pool and i think you're town so for me it's not needed.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 14:45 GMT
#225
On July 02 2019 23:43 Jockmcplop wrote:

Mostly all that big post is is a list of her posts with some commentary that is meant to make them look bad.


It isn't, there are a couple of very good points there.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2019 14:54 GMT
#228
You, Jock, need to remember omgus isn't actually omgus if you have reasons for why the other person's shit is shit. I haven't seen you use omgus out of context but i have seen it many many times. Just because someone called you mafia doesn't make it invalid to make a case on them based on them calling you mafia (since mafia will anyways call townies mafia based on bs reasoning).

Do you think ES is town? Why?
table for two on a tv tray
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 17 18 19 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
ChoboTeamLeague
06:30
Best Games SC
PiGStarcraft602
Discussion
BSL
05:00
RO24 Group D
Ret vs DragOn
Doodle vs Dienmax
ZZZero.O299
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft602
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 1010
ZZZero.O 299
ProTech132
White-Ra 121
Dota 2
LuMiX0
Counter-Strike
dupreeh582
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang01158
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby4370
Liquid`Hasu631
Other Games
tarik_tv6875
FrodaN3138
Liquid`RaSZi2342
Mlord433
KnowMe158
RotterdaM93
JuggernautJason36
CosmosSc2 14
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1520
Counter-Strike
PGL845
StarCraft 2
angryscii 42
BasetradeTV20
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hinosc 129
• Hupsaiya 42
• Adnapsc2 20
• Reevou 5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Laughngamez YouTube
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• ChaeLyn 12
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie922
• Shiphtur630
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
1h 5m
WardiTV Weekly
14h 5m
Ultimate Battle
14h 5m
Rush vs BeSt
Replay Cast
1d 1h
Rogue vs Classic
Patches Events
1d 15h
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
[ Show More ]
IntoTheTV X SOOP
5 days
herO vs Rogue
Reynor vs Solar
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs MaxPax
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
IPSL
5 days
WorsT vs nOmaD
Dewalt vs andersOn
IntoTheTV X SOOP
6 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
IPSL
6 days
Azhi_Dahaki vs ggnore13
Double vs WIZARD
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-30
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Proleague 2026-11-01
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

1xBet Invitational
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.