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Why does grack necessarily want to change thread sentiment about 4hrs and a total of 1 townread in thread into the game? Why is it more scummy to want to do something than not do anything? | ||
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On July 02 2019 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: My problem with pandain is that i have no idea how he makes some of his conclusions. Like i get how he gets there but i am not fan of the "certainty" of the conclusion. Like an exaggerated comparison would be if someone said "thos guy did this null thing and ot makea him town". Pretty much the same thing i scumread shapelog for last game. I will elaborate better when i am off work. At first glance hf's post on him sounded fine too. Like based on what pandain said on trfel and es, why cannot they be mafia together? | ||
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- unlikely for mafia[!trfel] to give a strong townread so early in the game (literally the first page) However Trfel's townread on ES is imo quite surface level, i mean "she played like this last game and that's also different from a mafia game 4 years ago". Why can't mafia!Trfel make that read? You have to talk something as mafia. I understand somehow the idea of Trfel not making that read in case ES is town and he is mafia because i don't see many reasons to make a "bad" read that early on. That i can see Pandain thinking. But the way Pandain goes on with the explanation is pretty weird because he never entertain the possibility of Trfel and ES being mafia together. It's weird because if that was the case it actually makes sense for Trfel to make the read. Trfel kind of hasn't said anything wrong in his read towards ES and if they are mafia together the worst thing that can happen is "i think i am right" vs "i dont think you believe that" match which isn't like hard proof of someone being mafia. Jock already pulled up the game where Trfel started the game quite alike with rsoultin (i am fully aware of the game -- i lead a lynch on Trfel that game, i dont think it makes Trfel mafia by meta but it clearly shows it definitely doesn't make Trfel town). Furthermore another weird thing here is that the way Pandain talks about his read on Trfel kinda feels like he already assumes ES is town (read his posts with this in mind if you don't believe me) but then he doesn't have a town read on ES. For example this comment: I just think it's extremely early to give a townread based on meta/carefree posting. I fail to see how anyone can post this at the time Pandain did unless they think ES is town. Like let's assume Pandain thinks ES is (or could be) mafia here, suddenly this post turns around and Pandain's conclusion should be that Trfel can easily be mafia since "double mafia perspective" it makes perfect sense, that's probably how you would townread your scumbuddy early on if you were to do that. I also agree with what Jock + HF said on him, i don't have any problems with either of them. I like most of the stuff conversion has said so far. On Eversince, here is my point. This is the discussion we had: ES: m!Grack wants to lead town to do stupid things. rayn: Can you give some examples of this that happened lately? ES: I was reference a point that anyone mafia in that position would do that. rayn: how does that relate to whatever grack has or hasnt done this game?? ES answers same than before rayn: why would grack need to do something as mafia at the time? ES: Exactly!! rayn: do you think grack is self-aware of his meta to some point? ES: yes So okay, Grack is self-aware of his meta, Grack doesn't post that much early on (aside from jokes and stuff) as town, Grack doesn't post here in this game when the thread is basically Trfel's townread on ES and nothing more. Only thing Grack does is question Trfel a bit (and pretty much a throwaway post on ES). Point is; there is ONE townread in the thread and nothing more. Why would Grackaroni do anything as mafia here in ES' mind? I don't understand the strength of the read based on what i got from ES' answers to me. I have some stuff i think might make ES town aswell. Like when she was arguing with Pandain it felt like the mindset from her was like "fuck you your story doesn't add up and mine does", which is not what i would expect from (especially) newer mafia. I mean like if ES is mafia and Pandain is town (as i thought at the time it's impossible for them to be mafia together) ES would know Pandain is telling the truth and would choose her words on the matter more closely, or just back off. If they are both mafia why not just back off when Pandain gives a "reasonable answer"? Idk maybe it's possible they are both mafia since they have both backed off from their initial reads. I am also not a huge fan of ES not really saying anything about my alignment since last game she (at least in her mind) had an "easy time" reading me, and i don't think i have been posting so little this game she can't have a read on me. I actually have a slight townread on grack. It's based on like.... umm how to say it... actually i am not going to say it yet since it's not strong, i want to see what he does when he comes back and noone would get anything off that read atm. HF can hold me accountable to explain it by the end of D1, it's pretty much based on how i read yamato (or did when he played). I need to see more from Trfel. I haven't seen his town thing and i disliked the early read. As i said i don't know if the early read makes him mafia but i haven't really seen anything that he couldn't/wouldn't post as mafia so far. Eywa is mia. | ||
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I have some stuff i think might make ES town aswell. Like when she was arguing with Pandain it felt like the mindset from her was like "fuck you your story doesn't add up and mine does", which is not what i would expect from (especially) newer mafia. I mean like if ES is mafia and Pandain is town (as i thought at the time it's impossible for them to be mafia together) ES would know Pandain is telling the truth and would choose her words on the matter more closely, or just back off. If they are both mafia why not just back off when Pandain gives a "reasonable answer"? Idk maybe it's possible they are both mafia since they have both backed off from their initial reads. I am also not a huge fan of ES not really saying anything about my alignment since last game she (at least in her mind) had an "easy time" reading me, and i don't think i have been posting so little this game she can't have a read on me. i wrote the green part off my memory and ES filter up until when the "fight" between her and Pandain ended and then re-evaluated based on what happened after. Also that read thing on me i figured out at the end of her filter so i added it there because it bugs me. So yeah, this is really not "townie things" unlike on Kelsier last game..  | ||
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On July 02 2019 20:56 Conversion wrote: in one way you could be a town trying to "drive the game" and getting people to play-- in another direction you're mafia trying to scatter focus away and onto random things and hoping that people will just refocus you on your "Conversion is mafia" thing that you're doing. I'm more inclined to believe the latter at this point considering I don't get strong town vibes from you. can you elaborate more on this? | ||
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On July 02 2019 23:35 Grackaroni wrote: Full disclosure: I'm playing another game where I'm putting more effort and that's why I'm being a shitter here. stop playing the other game unless you're mafia here. it's a shit game compred to this. | ||
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On July 02 2019 23:43 Jockmcplop wrote: Mostly all that big post is is a list of her posts with some commentary that is meant to make them look bad. It isn't, there are a couple of very good points there. | ||
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Do you think ES is town? Why? | ||
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