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On July 03 2019 18:12 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 18:08 Holyflare wrote:On July 03 2019 17:51 Pandain wrote:
I don't think ES is crazy/meta enough to do something like that. It's obvious she's been desperate to survive, if she was mafia she would jump at the opportunity to lynch someone she has expressed doubts about before.
@conf, HF, Rayn please comment on this. I don't agree with your conclusion. She's meekly soft defended grack all game and then sprinkled "hesitance" and done nothing with it. They could easily be mafia together, or she could know he's town. Both things point to a mafia es because grack looks absolutely shit and a free lynch for literally anyone to hop onto. She's said several times that she might be up for lynching Grack. It would not be suspicious at all for her to vote Grack if she thought it was the only way to not get lynched. But she refused to do this. The fact she refuses to lynch someone who you think "Looks absolutely shit and a free lynch" should strike you as townie, particuarly when it's the only way she could avoid getting lynched. It also doesn't matter if she knows he's town. If she's mafia, she's trying to survive. You still can't justify mafia ES not joining the grack train.
I can because I can simultaneously think Grack is mafia and do.
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On July 03 2019 18:13 Pandain wrote:
Actually what does that even mean "she could know he's town."
Why would that matter for mafia ES?
What is this reasoning?
I think you have a completely different read of how ES thinks than I do because in my world ES seems too nice to be a ruthless mafia alignment player who would callously lynch someone she's called town based on meta. I think the culmination of that personality is to slowly erode her meta read with these little sprinklings of hesitance so that eventually she can vote grack.
If they are mafia together then why would she ever want to lynch her partner?
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On July 03 2019 19:15 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:On July 03 2019 18:12 Pandain wrote:On July 03 2019 18:08 Holyflare wrote:On July 03 2019 17:51 Pandain wrote:
I don't think ES is crazy/meta enough to do something like that. It's obvious she's been desperate to survive, if she was mafia she would jump at the opportunity to lynch someone she has expressed doubts about before.
@conf, HF, Rayn please comment on this. I don't agree with your conclusion. She's meekly soft defended grack all game and then sprinkled "hesitance" and done nothing with it. They could easily be mafia together, or she could know he's town. Both things point to a mafia es because grack looks absolutely shit and a free lynch for literally anyone to hop onto. She's said several times that she might be up for lynching Grack. It would not be suspicious at all for her to vote Grack if she thought it was the only way to not get lynched. But she refused to do this. The fact she refuses to lynch someone who you think "Looks absolutely shit and a free lynch" should strike you as townie, particuarly when it's the only way she could avoid getting lynched. It also doesn't matter if she knows he's town. If she's mafia, she's trying to survive. You still can't justify mafia ES not joining the grack train. I can because I can simultaneously think Grack is mafia and do. I'm not saying this wouldn't be possible but it would be the worst possible play for ES not to join the grack train if she was mafia. It pretty much guarantees a town win if she gets lynched today.
I think the worst possible play is to lynch your mafia partner after saying he's town sooooo. You don't even know mafia roles, grack could be a valuable role who knows. All I see is classic mafia traits.
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On July 03 2019 19:16 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 19:15 Holyflare wrote:On July 03 2019 18:13 Pandain wrote:
Actually what does that even mean "she could know he's town."
Why would that matter for mafia ES?
What is this reasoning? If they are mafia together then why would she ever want to lynch her partner? Because if she doesn't, and then dies anyway, we kill grack tomorrow and win
And then she can't play after friday when her hotspot goes so okay.
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I'd much rather lynch someone that looks like mafia. I'm fine with a grack lynch so I really don't care which of the two gets lynched.
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On July 03 2019 19:36 Pandain wrote:
HF you're completely misreading what ES has said.
She's not defending Grack and saying he's town. She's just saying his play is NAI.
So your argument that she wouldn't want to lynch a town read is wrong because she hasn't town read him.
Also think about this HF: If Grack turns out to be town, I'm sure you agree it would be crazy stupid for ES to not vote to lynch him. Possible, but unlikely.
So we should lynch Grack first because that will help us with ES.
On July 03 2019 18:16 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 18:08 Holyflare wrote:On July 03 2019 17:51 Pandain wrote:
I don't think ES is crazy/meta enough to do something like that. It's obvious she's been desperate to survive, if she was mafia she would jump at the opportunity to lynch someone she has expressed doubts about before.
@conf, HF, Rayn please comment on this. I don't agree with your conclusion. She's meekly soft defended grack all game and then sprinkled "hesitance" and done nothing with it. They could easily be mafia together, or she could know he's town. Both things point to a mafia es because grack looks absolutely shit and a free lynch for literally anyone to hop onto. Meek? I've hard defended Grack on a meta read all game! @Pand ok but don't see the issue. My own read :Grack gets his thing together or lynch.I talk to Grack and he is still basic 'I'm be useless'. Everyone else pages later: Grack gets his things togthero or we lynch him.
Either you're misreading or just needlessly defending her. If the person themselves said they're defending a person then what do you think they think of their alignment?
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On July 03 2019 19:26 Jockmcplop wrote:Here's a spreadsheet, it was really easy to make this time, please tell me if I've got anything wrong. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Azlh232.png)
This is wrong, I quite clearly called out pandain and you piggybacked it but it's not here. Me being lazy doesn't make me mafia though.
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You can repeat about grack being town makes es town till you're blue in the face but I don't believe in that metric.
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On July 03 2019 20:14 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 20:07 Holyflare wrote:On July 03 2019 19:26 Jockmcplop wrote:Here's a spreadsheet, it was really easy to make this time, please tell me if I've got anything wrong. This is wrong, I quite clearly called out pandain and you piggybacked it but it's not here. Me being lazy doesn't make me mafia though. I just missed it I'll change it now. I also forgot to put all of rayn's reads in there for some reason. I'll post the updated version when I get back to work I'm just at home having lunch. Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 20:10 Holyflare wrote:
You can repeat about grack being town makes es town till you're blue in the face but I don't believe in that metric. But you do believe that ES is mafia because she got a meta read wrong on you.
Among other things that I'm clearly talking about? Who is she actually calling mafia? Eywa? Eywa looks identical to eywa last game but for some reason they are ES's seemingly only scum read in the whole game.
Defends bad looking grack.
Defended me when I've posted literally nothing of substance.
Pretty sure she's defended more people.
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It's not a slip up it was a facetious point that I don't even know if I believe.
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On July 03 2019 20:44 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 20:43 Holyflare wrote:
It's not a slip up it was a facetious point that I don't even know if I believe. Why shouldn't I lynch you from your play so far?
I'm just lazy doesn't make me mafia.
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I don't even know what your reasons are I'm just skimming and think he just comes in to post a comment and leave again. Especially didn't like the "I'm playing another game" post.
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I voted es late because i was making posts on her on the train and then didn't vote until i got home. Doesn't make a difference my vote timing I'm not afraid to vote someone I think is mafia just because other people haven't.
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Lol all your logic literally doesn't apply to almost every game I've ever played in. Mafia defends grack, if he's town they don't want to look bad. Could be why she's slowly eroding her town read on grack to move her vote "legitimately" at the end of the day.
They could both be mafia and that's why she's arbitrarily picked someone that in my eyes is an easy lynch that isn't grack.
I don't believe if they're both mafia they'd vote each other, that's stupid logic.
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On July 03 2019 22:29 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 22:22 Holyflare wrote:
Lol all your logic literally doesn't apply to almost every game I've ever played in. Mafia defends grack, if he's town they don't want to look bad. Could be why she's slowly eroding her town read on grack to move her vote "legitimately" at the end of the day.
They could both be mafia and that's why she's arbitrarily picked someone that in my eyes is an easy lynch that isn't grack.
I don't believe if they're both mafia they'd vote each other, that's stupid logic. What does this even mean? Grack isn't voting for ES right now. Are you telling me that if ES flips red, we shouldn't go and immediately lynch grack?
You're telling me that es is town because she won't vote grack. Then why is that logic not made for grack who isn't voting es???
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On July 03 2019 22:36 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 17:44 Eversince wrote:On July 03 2019 17:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 03 2019 17:35 Eversince wrote:
I got called off to work. but I'm back now if people want to talk! It would be in your interest to take a look at grack, given that he's now the alternate wagon to you! I've already said what I feel about Grack. His poor contribution after I defend him so hard is bleh though. I'd be ok with lynching him to be honest. Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 17:49 Eversince wrote:
No actually Grack can wait I still think what Ewya did is so scummy, This needs dealt with first. Does this look like "slowly eroding a town read" to you? It's the opposite, Holyflare.
Are we even reading the same thing. Of course it fucking does? Oh look that guy i meta read and hard defended suddenly became the other wagon to me. Better fucking backtrack that read so he's an available lynch if I have to later.
But before I do that let's try this eywa wagon on!
I feel like I'm talking to aliens that have such a skewed perception of words that they take everything people say literally rather than reading between the lines and putting yourselves in mafia shoes.
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On July 03 2019 22:58 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 22:56 Holyflare wrote:On July 03 2019 22:29 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 03 2019 22:22 Holyflare wrote:
Lol all your logic literally doesn't apply to almost every game I've ever played in. Mafia defends grack, if he's town they don't want to look bad. Could be why she's slowly eroding her town read on grack to move her vote "legitimately" at the end of the day.
They could both be mafia and that's why she's arbitrarily picked someone that in my eyes is an easy lynch that isn't grack.
I don't believe if they're both mafia they'd vote each other, that's stupid logic. What does this even mean? Grack isn't voting for ES right now. Are you telling me that if ES flips red, we shouldn't go and immediately lynch grack? You're telling me that es is town because she won't vote grack. Then why is that logic not made for grack who isn't voting es??? Because grack has not been in the thread while he's been close to being lynched. He had 3 votes for a short time earlier but wasn't here.
And what if he now reads this and decides he doesn't want to lynch es? Free town read?
Dumb
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Good for you, do what you want, I literally don't care lol.
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I can't think of anything more pointless than arguing about metrics with people that clearly have differing views on what mafia do or don't do.
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On July 03 2019 23:01 Jockmcplop wrote:
Whereas hf, you have been inconsistent, have constantly made terrible, illogical points trying to get ES lynched, and even contradicted yourself on eywa while you were doing it.
Scum.
Feel free to vote me.
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