EPTWhat do you think about jock basically switching his top scumread from one person who scumreads ES onto the next one and onto the next one...?
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What do you think about jock basically switching his top scumread from one person who scumreads ES onto the next one and onto the next one...? | ||
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I still don't get though how Trfel continuously said he's going to re-evaluate ES and did nothing but a half-arsed summary of her posts. I think Jock looks better there since Jock i think is more liekly to believe in his read on ES based on what he said in thread. | ||
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On July 09 2019 01:20 Eywa- wrote: Mostly confidently misguided is town [...] idk maybe you're right. | ||
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On July 05 2019 23:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: explain then. you have: pandain + rayn ES + trfel pandain turns out to be vigilante why is trfel 100% mafia but ES is not 100% mafia? I really can't get over his. | ||
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On July 05 2019 15:11 Jockmcplop wrote: So I've got: trfel + es vs rayn + pandain at the moment, right? It is true that he has forgotten about you Eywa but it's not important, let's live in a world where you don't exist. Trfel calls me mafia. Jock posts this: On July 05 2019 15:19 Jockmcplop wrote: Actually trfel you are 100% mafia Definitely My logic before didn't quote work BUT Rayn/ES isn't a possible mafia team here,right? Pandain isn't mafia I'm not mafia therefore mafia is trfel/ES or trfel/rayn Tell me why this is wrong Why does the possible mafia teams expand into Trfel + rayn too? Like in eight minutes he suddenly figures this out too? Or he figures out he has made a mistake and needs to find other possibilities because if what he first said is "right" we are going to lynch Eversince and they want to win right there. | ||
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Yes i know what you said in that post and i answered you "that's not what you said originally". Actually why didn't you believe Pandain is a vigilante? | ||
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##vote: trfel | ||
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1) you said you wont inrerfere with ES lynch if it comes to that after D1 and then you did just the complete opposite. 2) you said multiple timesi you will re-eval ES then you made a summary of her posts and said she is town for meta while you even found suspicious posts. I find that a lackluster re-evaluation. 3) you wanted to lynch me over eywa while at that time based on your posting and your possible scumteams you werent at all sure if i am mafia and i was ONLY mafia in case eywa is. You simply had no reason to vote for me instead of eywa regardless of how strong hour scumread is (and based on your posting it even wasnt that strong). I dont buy the "if we are lynching rayn lets just get over it immediately" argument because it is a shit argument. 4) you called jock null/suspicious, argued with him, agreed with him and then said you STILL think jock is town. 5) if you are town you should be trying to prove why jock is mafia. "I am more townie" isnt an argument. Last night when eywa made a post on you i went to read tropical storm. In that game i lead a lyncyh on you because you called ruxxxar mafia for like 72 hours and after that i asked you why ruxxar is mafia and you didint remember what he had posted all game. I honestly see tje same elements in your play here, mainly on the points i brought up. | ||
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On July 09 2019 14:37 Trfel wrote: Thanks for taking the time to answer. 1) Like I said, I meant that I wouldn't vote to save Eversince or try to save Eversince, not that I wouldn't try to lynch a different scumread. 2) Sorry you find it lackluster. I messed up, at least I tried. 3) That was why I did it. Shrug 4) After talking about it with Jockmcplop, I thought about it and decided he was town. I just didn't bother to say it in the thread, maybe I should have done so. 5) Would it really make a difference if I made a case on Jockmcplop? I don't feel like it would matter. 1) i guess you could be telling the truth or lying here. I dont really see what your explanation even means based on how you felt on n1 (bad about the lynch based on your posting) and because i dont see a difference between d1 lynch and d2 lynch. I mean just because conv was shennied i dont really understand the difference. 2-3) okay 4) you bothered to say it. The problem is you said you STILL think he is town when you just LATELY figured out he is town. It feels like at the time you wanted to say you have had a town read on him for some time when it definitely wasnt the case. 5) ofc. If youre town and he is mafia i am obviously missing something. My scumread on jock got pretty much debunked because i had misread his starting point on D2. My strongest point was that he found a target and tried to make the evidence fit and thats not necessarily the case anymore. | ||
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But yesterday i realised he wasnt actually calling those original "possible scumteams" possible scumteams. I have read the word "vs" as "or" throughout D2. I will take another look, unfortunately that will not happen before 8 hrs from now as thats when i get off work. Id like others to contribute aswell if possible. | ||
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Pandain votes for ES D1 because "I don't know how she can seriously believe she "deserves" a town read this early in the take when absolutely nothing has happened" Jock says case/vote is "half-arsed" Conversion makes a case on ES, jock responds with "[Conversion's post] is a list of her posts with some commentary that is meant to make them look bad" Next i say Jock isn't correct. Jock disagrees with me and says he is null on ES. Then he calls Conversion's case omgus and that's "also why i am reticent to go agreeing with conversion" Jock says "although I'm interested in ES assuming that we should townread her and why we shouldn't talk about her trfel townread." (we will see if this is ever followed up or not later on) Then he says Conversion (and rayn) are town. I already talked about how i find it weird and possibly scummy how jock, when he started callign me mafia, called me mafia for "you have done nothing but pushed ES for 72 hrs", well yeah, here he apparently reads me town for that. Let's see where and why does the mind on Conversion change. At this point there should never ever be a world where jock votes for Conversion over eversince. Then he asks ES "can I ask exactly what it is about trfel that you find makes him town?" Let's see if there is a follow up. "All this stuff [on ES] coming from rayn, hf and conversion seems kinda weak to be honest" "Honestly I'm not scum reading any of those guys. They are all townreads for me right now, i just don't see the ES stuff." July 02 2019 21:13 MSK Pandain, who is btw Jock's top scumread with Eywa at the time, says he wants to vote between Conversion, Grack, and Trfel. Jock responds with: "I haven't properly looked into any of these three yet. I had a slight town read on conversion when made the post on ES (even though I disagreed) because of his meta and the aggressive way he defended himself. I'll take a closer look at all three today and let you know what I think though." I am not sure why you would want to look into your top 2 scumreads scumreads (one of which you townread, grack was being grack, Trfel maybe), especially when that doesn't include your top 1 scumread and has no reasoning why he (Pandain) wants to vote for them?!?!? At the moment ES is leading wagon with me, HF and Conv voting for her. Jock (apparently) looks into Grack first and says this: "[quotes of some posts] I can only see mafia motivation when you combine those two. If he was even trying to find mafia, then he would have something to look into with at least one of these posts. If someone is townreading him for no reason - isn't that possible TMI if he is town? " Do you want to guess who was doing just that? Jesus fuck should i jsut stop here? He just agreed with every case on ES!!!! Jock votes for grack. Jock says "If you just look at the vote count you would think there's some serious evidence that ES is mafia, but there isn't any, there's just a multitude of bad cases." 10 hrs before deadline Jock has a slight town read on conversion. Then says he just can't get a good mafia read on anyone followed by he's just going to wait until near deadline and put my vote on whichever wagon looks like the best option. Then he starts pushing for HF. Scumread on HF is basically a defense on ES. 5 hrs before deadline Jock doesn't have a town read on ES. We go near to eod; Jock says: "I would vote grack to save ES but its gotta be soon" (fair) -> "Pandain switch to conversion with me" (not fair) I am thinking i want to change my vote. | ||
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- Jock never townreads ES during D1, yet he defends every single fucking point made on her - Jock votes for his townread over his null-read at eod. | ||
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