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On June 21 2019 23:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
Oh man I would in if there was space.
I didn't even see this until too late
I guess i'll be a /replacement if needed.

On June 23 2019 04:51 Eversince wrote:
Shoot, /obs since I didn't catch in time to join.

On June 25 2019 04:51 Grackaroni wrote:

I'd like an answer to that too.

Don't know why you can't just give your thought process rather than throwing out names and fucking off.

I actually feel quite good about Shapelog being scum.

On June 25 2019 07:12 Grackaroni wrote:

It's an accurate description of what you've been doing.

Rayn put in some effort to explain his accusation. You've just been throwing shade.

I think you're very likely 0/2 so far on your scum reads and it annoys me that you won't engage in what we've been talking about in thread.

On June 25 2019 07:46 Jockmcplop wrote:
Yo hf you gonna try and convince us to lynch rayn or are you just leaving that hanging there for a bit?

On June 25 2019 09:01 Grackaroni wrote:

I did have a sense that you being confirmed would be bad for town, yes.

To go full shitter mode, I'm the doctor, and I won't be healing you. Sure does suck that you got confirmed though.

On June 25 2019 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna try to explain my read on Kelsier. I'd normally most likely not care about it atm but since we're 8vs3 i think i actually need to cut everything that i feel like is bullshit out of the thread so we can actually find mafia.

What bullshit cutting does he need to achieve? Nothing I would consider bullshit is happening and especially nothing that deserves defending Kelsier from suspicion early day 1. This is very disconnected from what is actually happening in the thread and is very typical of someone just trying to look good through bravado of hooray I'm here to save the day

Here is Kelsier's firt real post in the game.

noticeable things so far is that Shapelog says the same thing and this is a post that is correct and doesn't make Grackaroni mafia. This is a noticeable thing for Rayn to mention. Why does it make Kelsier town that he picks up on ONE person doing something but not the other? Hint: It doesn't make him town, or at least, it's not a townie thing to do. Why does being correct mean anything when people most likely to be correct are the people with the most information? Mafia. This post is ONLY noticeable if you are calling Kelsier mafia, it does not belong in this case that Rayn is trying to make, that Kelsier is town.

this is the follow up:

this actually makes sense in case he is mafia, i agree. But so far, at this point my read on him is that he is trying to get the game going and not pulling any shit. I obviously disagree with his read on Trfel here but i don't think it makes him mafia.

Again, would you think this is a town case on Kelsier? Wtf. It's just a narrative saying he disagrees with his read and Rayn has COMPLETELY forgotten anything about shapelog doing EXACTLY the same thing but Kelsier not saying a word about shapelog. Why even mention it above if it plays absolutely no relevance to your further read? This just highlights how much of a pointless narrative this entire post is and there's no critical thinking in it. What are we supposed to think here? That this post can highlight that maybe Trfel is mafia OR town? Great Kelsier post? No, not really, it's wishy washy and says absolutely nothing about BOTH eversince and Trfel. Classically mafia post.

Eversince claims Grack is irritating after this.

Pandain expresses some feelings i ahve no idea what that means on Grackaroni. At least Pandain has noticed the thing on Grack imo. What have these 2 lines got to do with Kelsier at all????

Me, Trfel and ES discuss Eywa. Holyflare comes in and accuses Grackaroni. Jock makes his comment about Grack. Now i think this is the kicker post:

The red part makes perfectly sense in case Kelsier is mafia (unless mafia with Eywa -- lets assume here that Trfel is town). The green part however doesn't make any sense at all in comparison to the red one since he is letting one guy off the hook for doing the wrong thing (accusing Grack) and changing the subject to another guy. I don't think that's a mafia thing to do because i think the mafia thing to do is to let Trfel and Jock be town for now and join the accusation, accuse them both, or act like you dont know where your head is at because you are now confused especially since HF jumped in. I think all of those outcomes are better than what Kelsier did and i don't think what he did makes any sense from mafia perspective.

The red part makes perfect sense if Kelsier is mafia............ ah can totally see how this is a town case on Kelsier........ We also just have to assume he might also not be mafia with Eywa and that Trfel is also town. Like 3 leaps of logic for absolutely no reason here? Kelsier arbitrarily dismisses people for being low content poster (pandain) in a game of low content posters but literally doesn't highlight anyone else in the game and dismisses them in the same way, that looks really, really bad.

The green bit making Kelsier town... wtf? It doesn't make sense for a mafia Kelsier to drop his read on Trfel for an OPENING post that he said COULD make him someone who wants to push the game forward OR nervous mafia (not even a real scum read) to then pick up on Jock for scum reading Grack? Why does that not make sense? His old read was well past its expiry date, he could easily see motivation to sheep onto a train that big name rayn is pushing and thus say he's liking everything everyone is agreeing with and then move onto someone else that can't really fight back as much. Very, very easy thing for mafia to do. Does not make sense to town read for this at all, especially if you have any idea how mafia think when they are mafia, which Rayn should do in abundance.

On June 25 2019 17:16 Grackaroni wrote:
Meh now I have to awkwardly backtrack because you made a good post.

This part is especially true:
"Great Kelsier post? No, not really, it's wishy washy and says absolutely nothing about BOTH eversince and Trfel. Classically mafia post"

And I don't think there's reason to think that Kelsier would be more likely to jump on my bandwagon than attack a bandwagoner.

As for the Rayn Shapelog case, I'd note that there were 2-3 people that said they agree with Rayn's Shapelog case when it was pretty incomprehensible. I think those people are more likely mafia than Rayn who probably believes the case that he's pushing. Plus I'm annoyed because I think I gave much clearer points for why Shapelog could be mafia.

You're still a baddie for voting me though when I'm obv town -- even in the case where Rayn is mafia.

On June 25 2019 20:38 Eversince wrote:


I'm sick of formatting. Ewya's randomly tossing out "lynch ES or Pandain" makes no sense. I asked about it and got no answer. What world do we live in where the entire mafia team buses day 1 for no reason though?

I don't agree with HF Rayn points though. I think they are valid. Why I agreed with his case. I think they are worth considering but I don't see it as mafia agenda. More t!Rayn trying to assert himself. I could be wrong on that though ;P. Time will tell!

On June 25 2019 21:04 Eversince wrote:


This post:

On June 25 2019 23:46 Eywa- wrote:

That would be because Rayn is scum and Kelsier is probably town right?

On June 25 2019 23:49 Eywa- wrote:

Good point, but we agree that Rayn is a suitable lynch for today?

On June 25 2019 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well Eywa is mafia most likely too. This is the annoying type of scumplayer (Conversion looks the same usually) who are not considerred scum because they are "too abrasive to be mafia" when in fact nothing they say pretty much makes sense, and just get ignored. Furthermore waayyyyyyy different from last game where she actually tried to play and figure shit out (until we got onto a shitfight).

Pandain my best bet for third scum just for calling Grackaroni mafia (or a lynch) for a claim that doesnt make any sense in his mind from mafia perspective, like basically he wants to lynch a townie and paints it as a "mafia read".

Those are my reads, if i am wrong on something get slam in there, most likely everyone else is town.

On June 26 2019 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Don't care. I have reads on all the people in the game except for slam already so i don't care. Do what you do and go lose.

On June 26 2019 01:14 Jockmcplop wrote:
Wait hf why are you voting grack if rayn is your number one big case scumread?

On June 26 2019 01:15 Grackaroni wrote:

You haven't shown any sign that you would work with him and haven't commented on Shapelog.

On June 26 2019 01:39 Pandain wrote:


100% this. It's possible but unlikely.

And especially when the named townie is HF. Hosts do keep these kinds of things in mind for balance - a host would almost never make all HF, Rayn, and me a mafia team for instance.

On June 26 2019 04:00 Eversince wrote:


Why?

On June 25 2019 23:58 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn what was the bullshit in the thread that you needed to stop?

You also said you town read kelsier for pretty much activity and playing proactively rather than reactionary but literally 0 of your case highlights ANY of that train of thought. It pretty much shows kelsier sheeping and responding about his jock read?

On June 26 2019 04:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I answered the first one already

Yeah my case doesnt. That doesnt mean thats not what i thought earlier because i already called him possibly town befote that.

Thats all in my fucking filter you [redacted]....

Okay times up my vote stays on shape. Gotta work.

On June 26 2019 04:16 Grackaroni wrote:
Hey HF I’ll make a deal with you. If you lynch Shapelog and he flips town I will join the rayn train tomorrow. :O

On June 26 2019 04:27 Pandain wrote:
There is no world slam is mafia here.

If he was, mafia would be bandwagoning someone else with the votes this close.

On June 26 2019 04:20 Fecalfeast wrote:

Alakaslam: (3) eversince, holyflare, Trfel
Shapelog: (2) raynpelikoneet, grackaroni grackaroni
Eversince: (0) grackaroni, eywa-
KelsierSC: (2) Pandain, Jockmcplop, jockmcplop eversince pandain
Grackaroni: (0) Holyflare Jockmcplop Pandain

Raynpelikoneet: (1) Holyflare eywa- eywa-holyflare
Pandain: (0) Eywa-

Not Voting:
Alakaslam
Shapelog
KelsierSC



Alakaslam is currently set to be lynched.

deadline is in

Phone votecount forgive me

On June 25 2019 20:54 Pandain wrote:
Unfortunately I don't have too many useful opinions.

Rayn's reasoning is convoluted enough that's it's hard to understand (and thus make judgments on) his arguments.

I think Slam would actually be a fine lynch, just because I don't have a lot of convidence in anyone and better to lynch someone completely noncontributive.

I agree Grack's roleclaim makes no sense, and I doubt he's doctor, but I'm unsure whether that makes him VT or mafia.

I'm still going to keep my vote on Kelsier because I don't like his responses.

I have strong town reads on you (eversince) and jock.

Anyway feel free to push me but I honestly don't have more thoughts than that

On June 26 2019 04:23 Pandain wrote:
@HF if you're going to lynch a random, might as well lynch Kelsier.

At least we know slam will spam up the thread later when he's free. Kelsier will just always be the same and be lynch bait every lynch in future even if town.

On June 26 2019 04:12 Fecalfeast wrote:

Alakaslam: (2) eversince, holyflare
Shapelog: (2) raynpelikoneet, grackaroni grackaroni
Eversince: (0) grackaroni, eywa-
KelsierSC: (2) Pandain, Jockmcplop, jockmcplop eversince pandain
Grackaroni: (0) Holyflare Jockmcplop Pandain

Raynpelikoneet: (1) Holyflare eywa- eywa-holyflare
Pandain: (0) Eywa-

Not Voting:
Alakaslam
Shapelog
KelsierSC
Trfel



KelsierSC is currently set to be lynched.

deadline is in

Phone votecount forgive me

On June 26 2019 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I need to revisit Kelsier. Pandain actually looks more townie to me than before. Ironically for his eod and not for stuff after lynch.

On June 26 2019 06:28 Pandain wrote:
Dude stop pushing that I only became active when slam was up for lynch.
I was pushing for KSC for a while.

On June 26 2019 06:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Kelsier is not my strongest town read. Youre fucking annoying, dont read, and twist words into your own delusional narratives. Like just fuck you i am done talking to you.

On June 26 2019 06:43 Eversince wrote:
Pand's filter does not start 2 hours ago HF.

On June 26 2019 06:48 Eywa- wrote:

I'm town

On June 26 2019 06:28 Pandain wrote:
Dude stop pushing that I only became active when slam was up for lynch.
I was pushing for KSC for a while.

On June 26 2019 07:08 Jockmcplop wrote:
I also wish hf would stop prodding rayn. I think he's trying to get him to go off the rails like he sometimes does early on.

On June 26 2019 07:13 Jockmcplop wrote:


Here's my version of hf's thought process:

"Shit everyone knows i'm town I can't fake claim or act anti-town so how can I have fun? OH RAYN'S PLAYING"

On June 26 2019 07:28 Eversince wrote:


HF give him half of day2 ok? I think you both just need a chance to cool off. Or go just in a lake. That would do too.
Fighting between eachother is useless though. Since I know for a fact your town. Believe Rayn is town.. Just stop for that time please !.

On June 26 2019 07:28 Grackaroni wrote:

I don't think your question about what bullshit he was trying to stop was unreasonable.

You could be on to something with why he was so quick to shut down pressure on Kelsier and doesn't want to talk about him doing that.

I don't think you've ever given a conclusion on Shapelog though. You wrote a post saying that Rayn's argument was bad but nothing really about what I said or Shapelog's filter in general.

I could very easily be wrong but I think he has a good chance of being scum.

On June 26 2019 07:40 Eversince wrote:


I'll stick my nose to it. Answer me one question. Last point "C:why": what you mean?

On June 26 2019 08:53 Eversince wrote:
Only if I track the right person. So who if not to confirm you?

On June 26 2019 17:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:

yeah lets not make reads based on what people did

On June 26 2019 17:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:

yeah lets not make reads based on what people did

On June 26 2019 18:11 Pandain wrote:
Hf you are truly remarkable at finding a narrative and thus ignoring absolutely all possible counter explanations or evidences.

On June 26 2019 18:41 Jockmcplop wrote:
Hf can we talk about trfel please?

Him being town is pretty important if I'm going to go along with a shapelog vote tomorrow.

I can't see any way that trfel isn't town. He had the choice of 3 wagons, if trfel is mafia then at least one of those 3 is town and he can safely vote for them. He hadn't town read either KSC or shapelog at any point during day 1 so wouldn't have been contradicting himself. Both ksc and shapelog were being scumread by alot of players so no-one would raise any eyebrows at trfel voting for either of them.

I know you said its a just a gut feeling right now but can you see that the logic of the situation pretty much means he has to be town?

On June 26 2019 23:40 Grackaroni wrote:
Rayn and Pandain are both likely town and likely to be pushed by HF tomorrow so HF will probably survive the night.

On June 27 2019 01:50 Eywa- wrote:

Yeah, but this is why Rayn is a better lynch tomorrow.

On June 27 2019 03:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually i dont even get what you're saying holyflare? Everyone tried to stop the other wagon. Everyone who voted for Kelsier tried to "stop" Shapelog wagon and vice versa...

On June 27 2019 04:42 Holyflare wrote:
Imagine being mafia grack and holding your shot so you can fake claim veteran. Bad play.

On June 27 2019 05:35 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't really want to bother with you HF.

What you're saying makes as much sense as me arguing that FF lied at the start of the game and you are mafia.

On June 27 2019 06:08 Eywa- wrote:

I don't love a pandain lynch. As mafia, he should always bus or hammer another player. Do you consider him to be a bad player?

On June 27 2019 16:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe you're right and if you are it means (at least to me) that Pandain is not mafia. I am not sure but i got the feeling that Kelsier was pretty viable option at the time and Pandain was already on Kelsier. From my memory people showed more interest in lynching Kelsier than Shapelog, right? I dont remember what happened there.

On June 27 2019 16:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:

the problem is if he comes in last second like has happened many times before.

On June 27 2019 16:31 Eversince wrote:
Going to assume HF hasn't caught up the thread yet. So I will wait on him.

On June 27 2019 16:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
did you read what i wrote about pandain/kelsier and pandain/eywa?
do you agree it's extremely unlike anyone else is scum (aside from shapelog and me -- because even if you think i am scum you should still see my point).

On June 27 2019 17:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare, can you please give me the scumpartner(s) outside Shapelog Pandain is / can be mafia with? I promise to look very closely there because i would love to lynch the shit out of him if he is scum jsut because he fucking tried to kill me over Slam and Shapelog.
+ Show Spoiler +
I dont think people change, at least people dont change what's working, and that has been working for pandain as mafia.

On June 27 2019 17:46 Pandain wrote:


I just didn't realize it. I actually post when I realize it.

On June 27 2019 17:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I can agree with jock being mafia with pandain. I will check if that makes sense thread-sentiment-wise after i have slept (still havent after night shift). I heavily disagree with Pandain+Eywa combo.

On June 27 2019 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
meh i am going to bounce ideas here HF if that's okay? I am not sure i can stay awake enough to actually make a educated decision. Why don't jock + pandain on at least some level agree to shapelog D1 (or if they did, why didn't they use it when the shit hit the fan)?

On June 27 2019 18:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Pandain is a planner kinda guy as mafia. You know like if me and you were in a mafia team, we would have a plan on how the game would draw out, what will most likely happen and how to deal with certain situations etc... I see no common ground regarding a mafia team plan between those two people, i mean like if one of theirs gets under suspicion they are likely fucked because they can't have enough alternatives to push based on how they have played. Quick example, eywa started the game with calling a quick lynch on pandain. It doesn't mean she can't be mafia with pandain but it means (when she didn't back off -- and tried to make me look like pandain's partner) that she can't pretty much be on a same lynch with pandain without looking bad.

On June 27 2019 18:04 Pandain wrote:

I don't understand what you are saying here

On June 27 2019 18:14 Pandain wrote:
Like seriously HF it's like you actively block out information that doesn't agree with your narrative.

On June 27 2019 18:23 Pandain wrote:
Like HF you have been so wrong every single of the last 4/5 games I've played with you. And it's for the same reasons every time, you get crazy tunneled on people and refuse to look outside the box.

On June 27 2019 18:31 Pandain wrote:

grack is literally never mafia here. it's way too likely there is another protective role that could counterclaim.

On June 27 2019 18:37 Pandain wrote:
ok sure but im angry so i dont think rational.

also to be frank no one on the slam lynch can take credit for it because it was deliberately a "i have no idea what to do so lynch someone afk"

On June 27 2019 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:

dont be dumb...

On June 27 2019 20:45 Jockmcplop wrote:
Because it was a throwaway comment when I said it, but for hf it seems like his strategy for the entire game.

On June 25 2019 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
If shapelog is mafia, it's with kelsier.