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On June 26 2019 07:14 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 07:13 Eversince wrote:On June 26 2019 07:11 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 26 2019 07:08 Eversince wrote:On June 26 2019 07:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 26 2019 07:03 Eversince wrote:
Opinions Jock? Everything since night one started I need to reread. I'm terrible at analyzing mechanical stuff for some reason so the whole thing about roles I just haven't got my head around yet. Pandain def looks bad for the last couple of hours but I don't think anything has changed too much about my reads. I still like at least one of Grack and KSC for mafia. Fair. I'm a really slow English reader myself. How long before you can make thoughts? Is there something specific you wanted my thoughts on? Right now my thoughts are "I can't believe slam was mafia." I'll be here a while chatting though so anything you think I should look at just let me know and I'll try and summon an opinion. (I've been at band practice after work so I'm fucking shattered - Complex logic isn't going to happen) Just a general pile of reads. I think your town I just want your thoughts on everything here since you're here. Don't bother formatting if you don't feel like doing it. This is a good point I haven't made any kind of comprehensive reads list yet at all. I'll get on it now,give me 20 minutes.
Thanks! I'm hold you to it;)!
I've got a to get my face in the mud though.
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On June 26 2019 07:21 Grackaroni wrote:
I think it was you that asked me why I was talking about Jock earlier, I think his play is townie so far, but I'm comparing him to a higher bar than a lot of players because I think he is capable of pretty townie play as mafia.
Ok. I think his play is town.In-active for a long while but I am very quilty of that.
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On June 26 2019 07:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 07:08 Jockmcplop wrote:
I also wish hf would stop prodding rayn. I think he's trying to get him to go off the rails like he sometimes does early on. How can I treat someone I think is mafia seriously if they won't answer my really simple questions? That's literally the game. He would do exactly the same reaction if he was mafia or town, and blow it out of proportion even more so if mafia. I don't think my questions are even inflammatory and he's just taking it that way?? Do you not think my questions are valid? The only way I can make people lynch rayn is by pointing out bad rayn logic and forcing him to answer it so other people realise he actually is mafia. Which he's cleverly avoiding doing.
HF give him half of day2 ok? I think you both just need a chance to cool off. Or go just in a lake. That would do too.
Fighting between eachother is useless though. Since I know for a fact your town. Believe Rayn is town.. Just stop for that time please  !.
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On June 26 2019 07:37 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 07:28 Eversince wrote:On June 26 2019 07:23 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2019 07:08 Jockmcplop wrote:
I also wish hf would stop prodding rayn. I think he's trying to get him to go off the rails like he sometimes does early on. How can I treat someone I think is mafia seriously if they won't answer my really simple questions? That's literally the game. He would do exactly the same reaction if he was mafia or town, and blow it out of proportion even more so if mafia. I don't think my questions are even inflammatory and he's just taking it that way?? Do you not think my questions are valid? The only way I can make people lynch rayn is by pointing out bad rayn logic and forcing him to answer it so other people realise he actually is mafia. Which he's cleverly avoiding doing. HF give him half of day2 ok? I think you both just need a chance to cool off. Or go just in a lake. That would do too. Fighting between eachother is useless though. Since I know for a fact your town. Believe Rayn is town.. Just stop for that time please !. I would absolutely be giving him space if I had the time but I am going to die so can't and he really should just answer my questions. He's stalling because I am going to die and then he doesn't have to answer them when I'm gone. So, promise me when I am dead you will ask him: A) What bullshit was going on in the thread that made him want to make a town case on Kelsier. <-- he said he said it in his filter but I can't see where B) Why was his later reason for town reading Kelsier based on him being proactive rather than reactive but nothing in the case he made earlier ever alluded to that reasoning? <--- he's already admitted that he didn't write it in his case, ask him why C) Why has he said that he needs to revisit Kelsier when Kelsier has not returned since Rayn made the town case on Kelsier, Kelsier did not vote so is afk, rayn scum reads the people pushing Kelsier? D) Why does Pandain look townie for eod pushing away from Slam after everything I've said? As long as these get answered without some hissy fit then you can let him play however he wants. C) Why
I'll stick my nose to it. Answer me one question. Last point "C:why": what you mean?
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Ok. I'll be your bloodhound. I think Rayn is a lost cause as town though.
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On June 26 2019 08:13 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 08:08 Grackaroni wrote:On June 26 2019 08:02 Jockmcplop wrote:
The thing about the timings is basically that you did follow thread sentiment straight away with ksc and then shapelog, which is fine, and if i was mafia i would definitely want to make my own case instead of just sheeping rayn's weird logic, but then i pointed it out and then all of a sudden you're scumreading ES out of nowhere with no prior explanation. My problem with Eversince was that she was very chatty early game and then when she was actually talking about reads there was no explanation for why Pandain was the best lynch 2019, when I felt that Pandain was a pretty unusual person for her to single out with that read especially when she said Pandain's meta was to lurk. I first got into that idea here + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2019 17:54 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
If shapelog is mafia, it's with kelsier. In the case where Shapelog is not mafia, I see a very plausible team of Pandain/Eversince/Eywa. I think Pandain has been under-contributing from his town meta so far but I have no idea why Eversince is scum reading him in this post. Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 11:02 Eversince wrote:
Ok, Trtfel is ok! Shapelog case by Rayn seemed good to me. Holyflare being disconnected is completely annoying but he is confirmed. Grack is usual. Pandain is best lynch 2019. Jock is ok.
I still think Kels feels off. Better but off. Slam has been totes useless. Ewya still is fishy to me.
So Pandain, Shapelog, Ewya. Thought? She(?) also seems to think that being afk is standard behavior for Pandain, and me (though I really haven't played with her very much and don't think I'm an overly afk player.), so why is Pandain best lynch 2019? Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 17:21 Eversince wrote:On June 24 2019 17:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 17:12 Eversince wrote:
Whats the rest of your reads? I don't have any really. No-one looks particuarly town to me. Maybe trfel. Every read I have seen so far is a shot in the dark so I'm not going to join in on that action because its pointless right now. Eywa's quicklynch post makes very little sense tbh, but not in a way that makes me think scum. I'd like some kind of explanation though because that's just weird. Eywa's quicklynch makes no sense to me.. Grack is usual mia, Pandain is usual mia, Rayn knows me far to well. What about everyone else? We have 1 day left. I will get off and sleep. We need to think about a lynch. Then I noticed this post: Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 10:40 Eywa- wrote:
I'm good with quicklynching Pandain or Eversince Beyond that I don't know what I can say to that. You're accusing me of being scum for following thread sentiment and then being scum for coming up with my own read when accused of following thread sentiment, so there's really no way I can avoid being scum read by you. Maybe this is true. I'm an irrational beast. But I'm trying grackaroni, I'm trying damn hard to be rational. I'm happy to drop it and keep scumreading you until something changes my mind. I'm not tunnelled so that could happen especially if you are town. Honestly there's more going on that just the timing of your reads, the voting thing I mentioned does matter at this point, given that I'm scumreading ksc and you voted on the only other wagon.
I think the whole argument is silly.Grack claimed doc. I he doesn't die tonight we lynch him. What mafia is going to let a town run loose with conf doc? This is what I meant before when I said I didn't care about his claim unless it caused chaos. It's a problem that will sort itself out short order.
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Serious asleep now. I won't be back for a while.
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Crap this is bothering me way to much. Ewya never answered my question. I won't sleep well.
I made a post about it. Then another.
Clear this up please!
Now seriously going to sleep!
Goodnight friends!
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On June 26 2019 08:37 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 08:17 Eversince wrote:On June 26 2019 08:13 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 26 2019 08:08 Grackaroni wrote:On June 26 2019 08:02 Jockmcplop wrote:
The thing about the timings is basically that you did follow thread sentiment straight away with ksc and then shapelog, which is fine, and if i was mafia i would definitely want to make my own case instead of just sheeping rayn's weird logic, but then i pointed it out and then all of a sudden you're scumreading ES out of nowhere with no prior explanation. My problem with Eversince was that she was very chatty early game and then when she was actually talking about reads there was no explanation for why Pandain was the best lynch 2019, when I felt that Pandain was a pretty unusual person for her to single out with that read especially when she said Pandain's meta was to lurk. I first got into that idea here + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2019 17:54 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
If shapelog is mafia, it's with kelsier. In the case where Shapelog is not mafia, I see a very plausible team of Pandain/Eversince/Eywa. I think Pandain has been under-contributing from his town meta so far but I have no idea why Eversince is scum reading him in this post. Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 11:02 Eversince wrote:
Ok, Trtfel is ok! Shapelog case by Rayn seemed good to me. Holyflare being disconnected is completely annoying but he is confirmed. Grack is usual. Pandain is best lynch 2019. Jock is ok.
I still think Kels feels off. Better but off. Slam has been totes useless. Ewya still is fishy to me.
So Pandain, Shapelog, Ewya. Thought? She(?) also seems to think that being afk is standard behavior for Pandain, and me (though I really haven't played with her very much and don't think I'm an overly afk player.), so why is Pandain best lynch 2019? Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 17:21 Eversince wrote:On June 24 2019 17:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 17:12 Eversince wrote:
Whats the rest of your reads? I don't have any really. No-one looks particuarly town to me. Maybe trfel. Every read I have seen so far is a shot in the dark so I'm not going to join in on that action because its pointless right now. Eywa's quicklynch post makes very little sense tbh, but not in a way that makes me think scum. I'd like some kind of explanation though because that's just weird. Eywa's quicklynch makes no sense to me.. Grack is usual mia, Pandain is usual mia, Rayn knows me far to well. What about everyone else? We have 1 day left. I will get off and sleep. We need to think about a lynch. Then I noticed this post: Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 10:40 Eywa- wrote:
I'm good with quicklynching Pandain or Eversince Beyond that I don't know what I can say to that. You're accusing me of being scum for following thread sentiment and then being scum for coming up with my own read when accused of following thread sentiment, so there's really no way I can avoid being scum read by you. Maybe this is true. I'm an irrational beast. But I'm trying grackaroni, I'm trying damn hard to be rational. I'm happy to drop it and keep scumreading you until something changes my mind. I'm not tunnelled so that could happen especially if you are town. Honestly there's more going on that just the timing of your reads, the voting thing I mentioned does matter at this point, given that I'm scumreading ksc and you voted on the only other wagon. I think the whole argument is silly.Grack claimed doc. I he doesn't die tonight we lynch him. What mafia is going to let a town run loose with conf doc? This is what I meant before when I said I didn't care about his claim unless it caused chaos. It's a problem that will sort itself out short order. I don't think this has been properly understood yet: If someone else wants to counterclaim a non-investigative role tomorrow please go ahead. Otherwise I am not the lynch. There's a decent chance that mafia roleblocks me and shoots HF. If people want to lynch me then someone else needs to put their neck on the line tomorrow and make a counterclaim of a defensive blue role. I am even willing to be the first one lynched in that claim war for making a dumb claim. (1 scum for a blue claim is a very worthwhile trade right now if I am mafia, so there is no reason not to counterclaim.) FF likely balanced the setup based on role classes. I am 95% sure there will be one defensive blue (Doctor/Veteran/Jailkeeper), and one investigative (Vig/Parity Cop/Tracker.) If nobody claims one of the first 3 roles then it is a massive blunder to lynch me. Even HF will admit that this is correct. Good night. 
Who would you save tonight?
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On June 26 2019 08:40 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 08:40 Eversince wrote:On June 26 2019 08:37 Grackaroni wrote:On June 26 2019 08:17 Eversince wrote:On June 26 2019 08:13 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 26 2019 08:08 Grackaroni wrote:On June 26 2019 08:02 Jockmcplop wrote:
The thing about the timings is basically that you did follow thread sentiment straight away with ksc and then shapelog, which is fine, and if i was mafia i would definitely want to make my own case instead of just sheeping rayn's weird logic, but then i pointed it out and then all of a sudden you're scumreading ES out of nowhere with no prior explanation. My problem with Eversince was that she was very chatty early game and then when she was actually talking about reads there was no explanation for why Pandain was the best lynch 2019, when I felt that Pandain was a pretty unusual person for her to single out with that read especially when she said Pandain's meta was to lurk. I first got into that idea here + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2019 17:54 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
If shapelog is mafia, it's with kelsier. In the case where Shapelog is not mafia, I see a very plausible team of Pandain/Eversince/Eywa. I think Pandain has been under-contributing from his town meta so far but I have no idea why Eversince is scum reading him in this post. Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 11:02 Eversince wrote:
Ok, Trtfel is ok! Shapelog case by Rayn seemed good to me. Holyflare being disconnected is completely annoying but he is confirmed. Grack is usual. Pandain is best lynch 2019. Jock is ok.
I still think Kels feels off. Better but off. Slam has been totes useless. Ewya still is fishy to me.
So Pandain, Shapelog, Ewya. Thought? She(?) also seems to think that being afk is standard behavior for Pandain, and me (though I really haven't played with her very much and don't think I'm an overly afk player.), so why is Pandain best lynch 2019? Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 17:21 Eversince wrote:On June 24 2019 17:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 17:12 Eversince wrote:
Whats the rest of your reads? I don't have any really. No-one looks particuarly town to me. Maybe trfel. Every read I have seen so far is a shot in the dark so I'm not going to join in on that action because its pointless right now. Eywa's quicklynch post makes very little sense tbh, but not in a way that makes me think scum. I'd like some kind of explanation though because that's just weird. Eywa's quicklynch makes no sense to me.. Grack is usual mia, Pandain is usual mia, Rayn knows me far to well. What about everyone else? We have 1 day left. I will get off and sleep. We need to think about a lynch. Then I noticed this post: Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 10:40 Eywa- wrote:
I'm good with quicklynching Pandain or Eversince Beyond that I don't know what I can say to that. You're accusing me of being scum for following thread sentiment and then being scum for coming up with my own read when accused of following thread sentiment, so there's really no way I can avoid being scum read by you. Maybe this is true. I'm an irrational beast. But I'm trying grackaroni, I'm trying damn hard to be rational. I'm happy to drop it and keep scumreading you until something changes my mind. I'm not tunnelled so that could happen especially if you are town. Honestly there's more going on that just the timing of your reads, the voting thing I mentioned does matter at this point, given that I'm scumreading ksc and you voted on the only other wagon. I think the whole argument is silly.Grack claimed doc. I he doesn't die tonight we lynch him. What mafia is going to let a town run loose with conf doc? This is what I meant before when I said I didn't care about his claim unless it caused chaos. It's a problem that will sort itself out short order. I don't think this has been properly understood yet: If someone else wants to counterclaim a non-investigative role tomorrow please go ahead. Otherwise I am not the lynch. There's a decent chance that mafia roleblocks me and shoots HF. If people want to lynch me then someone else needs to put their neck on the line tomorrow and make a counterclaim of a defensive blue role. I am even willing to be the first one lynched in that claim war for making a dumb claim. (1 scum for a blue claim is a very worthwhile trade right now if I am mafia, so there is no reason not to counterclaim.) FF likely balanced the setup based on role classes. I am 95% sure there will be one defensive blue (Doctor/Veteran/Jailkeeper), and one investigative (Vig/Parity Cop/Tracker.) If nobody claims one of the first 3 roles then it is a massive blunder to lynch me. Even HF will admit that this is correct. Good night. Who would you save tonight? Holyflare. The shot will 100% be either me or him.
Let's make this interesting then. I'm tracker. I can follow to confirm you. HF is already confirmed. Me being able to show who I tracked will confirm me. We can get 3 conf town. and just end this shenanigans.
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I'm pretty comfortable with calling you town Grack. If I'm wrong mafia has 3 shots to make. Town should figure it out.
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Only if I track the right person. So who if not to confirm you?
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On June 26 2019 08:56 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 08:53 Eversince wrote:
Only if I track the right person. So who if not to confirm you? That's not up to me and I don't think it's worth discussing in thread. Even the chance of being tracked is a serious threat to mafia.
Yep, my townread on Grack is topping radio towers. I'm not tracker but I wanted to test your claim while you where here.
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Heya Rayn, anything you see interest?
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interesting*? (Someday I'll focus enough to speak English)
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On June 26 2019 09:04 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 08:53 Eversince wrote:
Only if I track the right person. So who if not to confirm you? Track rayn or shapelog or pandain. Random between the three of them.
Rayn I have a pretty strong townread on. I suppose I can filter again.
Shape is bleh.
Pandain is bleh.
I've explained why lots in my post. It's not random Kels is still bleh to me too.
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Clarify: I'm not actually a tracker I wanted to make sure my theory on Grack was correct. I used the fakeclaim as a method.
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Anyone want to talk? I can't sleep  .
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On June 26 2019 09:17 Grackaroni wrote:
You can talk with drunk Rayn?
He might swear at you, but he's secretly very cuddly.
I deal with people telling me about chemical mixtures they know nothing about that could just kill them.
I have real think skin.
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