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On June 27 2019 17:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 17:48 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 17:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Holyflare, can you please give me the scumpartner(s) outside Shapelog Pandain is / can be mafia with? I promise to look very closely there because i would love to lynch the shit out of him if he is scum jsut because he fucking tried to kill me over Slam and Shapelog. + Show Spoiler +Pandain
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You clearly have never read any of my mafia games.
It's not about Town cred, it's about logic, aggression, and bandwagoning town.
I dont think people change, at least people dont change what's working, and that has been working for pandain as mafia. With pandain: Eywa/jock most likely. Jock's posts have been less and less impressive since slam flipped. I haven't really thought about it to be honest so don't want to rule anyone else out yet. Everything is open. I can agree with jock being mafia with pandain. I will check if that makes sense thread-sentiment-wise after i have slept (still havent after night shift). I heavily disagree with Pandain+Eywa combo.
I still don't understand the pandain eywa thing.
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On June 27 2019 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
meh i am going to bounce ideas here HF if that's okay? I am not sure i can stay awake enough to actually make a educated decision. Why don't jock + pandain on at least some level agree to shapelog D1 (or if they did, why didn't they use it when the shit hit the fan)?
No idea :D
I do think it's much more likely to just be pandain shapelog since if shape was town I'd think it would be a much better pile to jump on if I was mafia trying to save my buddy.
He did only have 2 minutes though so not really sure he could have swayed people. That's why pandain vote on you is so ridiculously opportune. There's no way he goes out of his way to lynch his town read (you) for information™ over just slam who he said was a good lynch or shapelog who 2 people were already voting (you, his town read, and grack his mafia read so lots more info!).
This means he knew thread sentiment. He knew I could try and be swayed and he knew I was on his partner so he goes for the most opportune switch possible.
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On June 27 2019 18:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 17:58 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 17:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2019 17:48 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 17:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Holyflare, can you please give me the scumpartner(s) outside Shapelog Pandain is / can be mafia with? I promise to look very closely there because i would love to lynch the shit out of him if he is scum jsut because he fucking tried to kill me over Slam and Shapelog. + Show Spoiler +Pandain
09-26-2013
11:40 PM ET (US)
You clearly have never read any of my mafia games.
It's not about Town cred, it's about logic, aggression, and bandwagoning town.
I dont think people change, at least people dont change what's working, and that has been working for pandain as mafia. With pandain: Eywa/jock most likely. Jock's posts have been less and less impressive since slam flipped. I haven't really thought about it to be honest so don't want to rule anyone else out yet. Everything is open. I can agree with jock being mafia with pandain. I will check if that makes sense thread-sentiment-wise after i have slept (still havent after night shift). I heavily disagree with Pandain+Eywa combo. I still don't understand the pandain eywa thing. Pandain is a planner kinda guy as mafia. You know like if me and you were in a mafia team, we would have a plan on how the game would draw out, what will most likely happen and how to deal with certain situations etc... I see no common ground regarding a mafia team plan between those two people, i mean like if one of theirs gets under suspicion they are likely fucked because they can't have enough alternatives to push based on how they have played. Quick example, eywa started the game with calling a quick lynch on pandain. It doesn't mean she can't be mafia with pandain but it means (when she didn't back off -- and tried to make me look like pandain's partner) that she can't pretty much be on a same lynch with pandain without looking bad.
I don't ever plan and I don't think eywa is the kind of person to listen to any plan lol.
How do you plan around an afk slam and unruly eywa? Impossible. It's probably just sit and hope nothing goes to shit and then when it did that's why pandain panicked.
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On June 27 2019 18:04 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 17:57 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 17:46 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2019 17:32 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
Alright then if we're never lynching grack put him with hf and we have an even bigger chance of winning.
I'm shit at figuring out roleclaims and what they mean, mostly they just confuse me, so in every game I play I have a similar conversation to this at some point. If y'all are sure grack is absolutely confirmed town then yeah I'll go along with it just out of ignorance. We know there are three blues. HF is one. That means if everyone who has a blue claims and we have three total, those three people are confirmed. Because the host has confirmed there are three. Does that make sense? Grack is not confirmed "yet" per se. But once the last blue is revealed (it always happens sooner rather than later) we will be able to know he is either telling the truth (3 claims total) or someone is lying (more than 3 blue claims) That's also why if you or kelsier or shape or eywa are blue you should claim. Because you will be the last confirmed town and there's no way we will lose. So like you tell us this, but you thought Grack is mafia after his claim even during N1? Want to explain? I just didn't realize it. I actually post when I realize it. On June 27 2019 06:10 Pandain wrote:
Brilliant Grack.
It actually doesn't even matter if you got shot or not. What I didn't realize from your claim is that you're essentially town-confirmed (or at least you will be later on once all roles are claimed tomorrow or the day after). This is because we know for a fact there are three blue roles. Once three people claim and no others claim, we know the three are deifnitely town.
Dumb though. He just says he was drawing a shot and is vt and then what? I don't understand what you are saying here
You're saying grack is confirmed town because regardless of if he got shot or not he wouldn't claim as mafia?
What happens when you find out end game that no shot happened, grack rescinds his claim day 2 and claims vt just trying to draw a shot and there's a jk or something? You just jump to him being town and don't think of any possible mafia strategy that they absolutely need to have in a 3 confirmed town game with a named townie and 1 mafia dead.
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On June 27 2019 18:14 Pandain wrote:
Like seriously HF it's like you actively block out information that doesn't agree with your narrative.
That's exactly what I do when the only person providing an alternative narrative is the guy I'm calling mafia and I just think your version is a lot less plausible than the really obvious one. Sorry
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On June 27 2019 18:23 Pandain wrote:
Like HF you have been so wrong every single of the last 4/5 games I've played with you. And it's for the same reasons every time, you get crazy tunneled on people and refuse to look outside the box.
And I will be wrong again all the time. You're not up for lynch currently so it doesn't really matter does it?
I never said I was a good town player, I'm just outspoken and piece together the puzzles for people to follow. I'm not solely responsible for your lynch, there are many people in this game and if they follow me it is because they agree at some point with me also.
I'm not even tunneled, I'm quite relaxed and easy going currently. I'm not spamming for your lynch and realise there are probably alternatives that are likely mafia also but to me this is the lynch I will most likely settle on.
Sorry if you're town, you did a bad play to save mafia and if slam was town I would think completely the opposite to how I feel now. Bad luck if you are.
You need to put yourself in my shoes. I've seen a person hard defend mafia to lynch one of their town reads - thay they said was for information but now have changed it after everyone called you out to you town reading slam.
I don't think town reading slam makes any sense. Who was being lynched before slam was? Everyone.. You have me as confirmed town voting slam and 2 people you don't even scum read voting slam (who has posted nothing!) and now you're saying you were convinced slam was town but don't give any reasons why.
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On June 27 2019 18:31 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 18:09 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 18:04 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:57 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 17:46 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2019 17:32 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
Alright then if we're never lynching grack put him with hf and we have an even bigger chance of winning.
I'm shit at figuring out roleclaims and what they mean, mostly they just confuse me, so in every game I play I have a similar conversation to this at some point. If y'all are sure grack is absolutely confirmed town then yeah I'll go along with it just out of ignorance. We know there are three blues. HF is one. That means if everyone who has a blue claims and we have three total, those three people are confirmed. Because the host has confirmed there are three. Does that make sense? Grack is not confirmed "yet" per se. But once the last blue is revealed (it always happens sooner rather than later) we will be able to know he is either telling the truth (3 claims total) or someone is lying (more than 3 blue claims) That's also why if you or kelsier or shape or eywa are blue you should claim. Because you will be the last confirmed town and there's no way we will lose. So like you tell us this, but you thought Grack is mafia after his claim even during N1? Want to explain? I just didn't realize it. I actually post when I realize it. On June 27 2019 06:10 Pandain wrote:
Brilliant Grack.
It actually doesn't even matter if you got shot or not. What I didn't realize from your claim is that you're essentially town-confirmed (or at least you will be later on once all roles are claimed tomorrow or the day after). This is because we know for a fact there are three blue roles. Once three people claim and no others claim, we know the three are deifnitely town.
Dumb though. He just says he was drawing a shot and is vt and then what? I don't understand what you are saying here You're saying grack is confirmed town because regardless of if he got shot or not he wouldn't claim as mafia? What happens when you find out end game that no shot happened, grack rescinds his claim day 2 and claims vt just trying to draw a shot and there's a jk or something? You just jump to him being town and don't think of any possible mafia strategy that they absolutely need to have in a 3 confirmed town game with a named townie and 1 mafia dead. grack is literally never mafia here. it's way too likely there is another protective role that could counterclaim.
Case in point. You speak in absolutes. I don't like it. Grack can easily be mafia. It's a stretch but he's never confirmed town here ever.
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On June 27 2019 18:37 Pandain wrote:
ok sure but im angry so i dont think rational.
also to be frank no one on the slam lynch can take credit for it because it was deliberately a "i have no idea what to do so lynch someone afk"
This isn't true. I went for the most amiable lynch in a pool of people that were scum reads. Narrowing down town reads and lynching into a pool isn't just rng and hope, it increases the odds of hitting mafia by a lot. Everyone was looking at least a bit townie.
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On June 27 2019 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 18:51 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 18:31 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 18:09 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 18:04 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:57 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 17:46 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2019 17:32 Pandain wrote:On June 27 2019 17:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
Alright then if we're never lynching grack put him with hf and we have an even bigger chance of winning.
I'm shit at figuring out roleclaims and what they mean, mostly they just confuse me, so in every game I play I have a similar conversation to this at some point. If y'all are sure grack is absolutely confirmed town then yeah I'll go along with it just out of ignorance. We know there are three blues. HF is one. That means if everyone who has a blue claims and we have three total, those three people are confirmed. Because the host has confirmed there are three. Does that make sense? Grack is not confirmed "yet" per se. But once the last blue is revealed (it always happens sooner rather than later) we will be able to know he is either telling the truth (3 claims total) or someone is lying (more than 3 blue claims) That's also why if you or kelsier or shape or eywa are blue you should claim. Because you will be the last confirmed town and there's no way we will lose. So like you tell us this, but you thought Grack is mafia after his claim even during N1? Want to explain? I just didn't realize it. I actually post when I realize it. On June 27 2019 06:10 Pandain wrote:
Brilliant Grack.
It actually doesn't even matter if you got shot or not. What I didn't realize from your claim is that you're essentially town-confirmed (or at least you will be later on once all roles are claimed tomorrow or the day after). This is because we know for a fact there are three blue roles. Once three people claim and no others claim, we know the three are deifnitely town.
Dumb though. He just says he was drawing a shot and is vt and then what? I don't understand what you are saying here You're saying grack is confirmed town because regardless of if he got shot or not he wouldn't claim as mafia? What happens when you find out end game that no shot happened, grack rescinds his claim day 2 and claims vt just trying to draw a shot and there's a jk or something? You just jump to him being town and don't think of any possible mafia strategy that they absolutely need to have in a 3 confirmed town game with a named townie and 1 mafia dead. grack is literally never mafia here. it's way too likely there is another protective role that could counterclaim. Case in point. You speak in absolutes. I don't like it. Grack can easily be mafia. It's a stretch but he's never confirmed town here ever. dont be dumb...
Not really dumb but we'll see. I agree it's a big stretch of the imagination and a massive play but I'm absolutely not ruling it out.
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This game is fucking boring lol. I'm confirmed town and the 2 people everyone thinks are mafia are literally modkills and there was no night kill. I couldn't think of a more mundane scenario.
So I'll live in a world where there's a chance mafia grack made a play, however unlikely, just because it's more fun to. I don't currently think he's mafia but it's whatever. It's fun!
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No respect for mafia that play under the radar. Just relies on other townies being shit and able to blend.
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On June 27 2019 20:45 Jockmcplop wrote:
Because it was a throwaway comment when I said it, but for hf it seems like his strategy for the entire game.
I mean... It's not because I'm voting for pandain lol.
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Also, that's not how I'm playing the game Jock. I'm genuinely voting for people I think are mafia. If I also think shape is mafia and likely to get modkilled I'm going for the 2 mafia end game.
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So this game is very boring and koshi is just mafia right?
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Ty for hosting.
What made you decide to announce the amount of blues?
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On June 25 2019 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
If shapelog is mafia, it's with kelsier.
Lol
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