Can you be more specific? The only things i like about Pandain are that he aknowledged the fact Kels/Shape have at least in mafia in them, and that slam kinda called him mafia after he died. I don't really like anything Eywa has posted because as i said there is zero reasoning behind her posts. Both of them can't be mafia though.

Eversince

Philippines2301 Posts

June 26 2019 05:14 GMT

#724

On June 26 2019 14:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you be more specific? The only things i like about Pandain are that he aknowledged the fact Kels/Shape have at least in mafia in them, and that slam kinda called him mafia after he died. I don't really like anything Eywa has posted because as i said there is zero reasoning behind her posts. Both of them can't be mafia though.

I'll try.

Pandain put a ton more effort into explaining himself to me start of the night. Which made me feel a lot better on him. If he did it as a play to gain me as m!Pand, not sure why. I'm pretty bad at convincing people as town short of getting really irate. Doesn't make much sense to me.

Ewya's wanted me body hanging from a tree all game and won't explain why. I asked before and got a phoo answer. She just wants to lynch me. I think it's really off.

Eversince

Philippines2301 Posts

June 26 2019 05:21 GMT

#725

To clarify- Ewya pushing me as a lynch is mafia agenda because she absolutely will not explain why. I'm a super active poster and might throw a wrench to a low active mafia maby?

The whole push seems bleh to me.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 26 2019 05:23 GMT

#726

Did you read what for example HF wrote about Pandain? Why is it so impossible that Slam is mafia with let's say Kelsier (who is his scumread) + Shapelog (who he doesn't have a read on) that he is willing to lynch his 95% townread (me) over Slam? Even if he thinks one of Kelsier + Shapelog is mafia that should still be a viable option that one of the active players is mafia with one of them and they still can't do anything about the lynch (like for example they are already on whichever of Kels/Shape = town). It really doesn't make any sense. Had Pandain only said he doesn't want to lynch Slam and not pushed Kelsier + me like he did i could understand him, that's what i originally thought was the case. Just because he "explained himself" doesn't make him town, what do you expect him to do as mafia? Just roll over and die?

Yeah i asked a lot of stuff from Eywa and also got phoo os there is nothing much to talk about.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 26 2019 05:24 GMT

#727

On June 26 2019 14:21 Eversince wrote:
To clarify- Ewya pushing me as a lynch is mafia agenda because she absolutely will not explain why. I'm a super active poster and might throw a wrench to a low active mafia maby?

The whole push seems bleh to me.

same here. like she seems to think possibly that because i thought pandain is mafia and also thought she is mafia when she thinks pandain is mafia, that makes me mafia. But that's garbage reasoning.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 26 2019 05:25 GMT

#728

The problem still is that at least one of them has to be town because as i said every singe pair of active players could have avoided Slam lynch. Which basically is the correct play when the game is 8vs3.

Eversince

Philippines2301 Posts

June 26 2019 05:27 GMT

#729

On June 26 2019 14:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did you read what for example HF wrote about Pandain? Why is it so impossible that Slam is mafia with let's say Kelsier (who is his scumread) + Shapelog (who he doesn't have a read on) that he is willing to lynch his 95% townread (me) over Slam? Even if he thinks one of Kelsier + Shapelog is mafia that should still be a viable option that one of the active players is mafia with one of them and they still can't do anything about the lynch (like for example they are already on whichever of Kels/Shape = town). It really doesn't make any sense. Had Pandain only said he doesn't want to lynch Slam and not pushed Kelsier + me like he did i could understand him, that's what i originally thought was the case. Just because he "explained himself" doesn't make him town, what do you expect him to do as mafia? Just roll over and die?

Yeah i asked a lot of stuff from Eywa and also got phoo os there is nothing much to talk about.

Last ditch effort to save Slam then?
Saying Slam reads is not useful I think. He spent no time talking in the thread.
It is very odd that he jumped on you though instead of Kels/Shape unless they are partners.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 26 2019 05:30 GMT

#730

On June 26 2019 14:27 Eversince wrote:
It is very odd that he jumped on you though instead of Kels/Shape unless they are partners.

Yeah he is never mafia with Kelsier. If he is mafia with Shapelog what choice does he have? Holyflare was almost lynching me and Grack expressed interest in following HF.

Eversince

Philippines2301 Posts

June 26 2019 05:31 GMT

#731

Pand put in a bunch of effort to avoid Slam lynch.
I expected after the "just lynch me" to give him time.

But surely there is not more than 3 mafia here. Pand/Ewya/Shape makes 4. So I need to feel nicer about somebody. It's just who.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 26 2019 05:33 GMT

#732

Like do you completely understand the argument why at least one of Kelsier / Shapelog has to be mafia? If you don't agree with it can you please show me a pair who cannot put their votes onto either Shape / Kels and save slam not being outright caught?

Eversince

Philippines2301 Posts

June 26 2019 05:37 GMT

#733

They both where completely mia for eod. Possible that a mia mafia (assuming Pandain is town) didn't respond? Other than that no one other than you/HF even pushed for real on people. Yeah... I can believe both KS/Shape fucked right off and stayed that way. But Pandain's push away is wayyyyyy to convient so I have trouble.

Eversince

Philippines2301 Posts

June 26 2019 05:42 GMT

#734

Then I have to think about Ewya and that's a new problem. Kels/Shape/Pand all are being silly. Someone has to be misguided town someone has to be mafia.

Eversince

Philippines2301 Posts

June 26 2019 05:43 GMT

#735

Pand at least spent time to talk and try to explain himself. But I'll go filter him again. I'm sure mafia is between those I listed. I need to pick the town out of it.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 26 2019 05:48 GMT

#736

If there is a vigilante btw they should absolutely always shoot Shapelog. He flips mafia, cool, he flips town lynch Kelsier because he has to be mafia, then Pandain and jock become pretty much hard cleared and the last mafia HAS to be in me and Eywa. You will have enough days to lynch both.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 26 2019 05:51 GMT

#737

In other words if you shoot Shapelog he either flips mafia or town always wins.

Eversince

Philippines2301 Posts

June 26 2019 05:54 GMT

#738

On June 26 2019 14:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If there is a vigilante btw they should absolutely always shoot Shapelog. He flips mafia, cool, he flips town lynch Kelsier because he has to be mafia, then Pandain and jock become pretty much hard cleared and the last mafia HAS to be in me and Eywa. You will have enough days to lynch both.

Oh that would make this game far too easy!
If I could clear Pandain I'd think about all this be done now.